The Corpse That Wouldn't Die

You can't really say he's defending what he did, but it makes for interesting and enlightening reading.
From: "Dave Beightol" <>
To: "Dave Voorhis" <>
Subject: Re: This is a legitimate Offer... 
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:30:26 -0500

>At 07:38 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hello again,
>>I must say I was at my most aggrivated point in years, when I recieved
>>first email.
>>I apologize for the harsh words...
>Apology accepted.

>>I am a very legit businessman.
>That is only true if your business is NOT entirely based on sending
>unsolicited commercial email.

That was my first and last shot at it..
>> I truely DID research before I sent the test
>Then I am amazed that you weren't aware that you were sending Spam.
>>I really thought I was doing the right thing in the way in which I
>>the letter..
>You think a mere wording change would change the nature of your email?
>That's like thinking that painting "Truck" on a bicycle would give it four

From what I read, as long as it was a legit offer and you gave a legit
return address it was cool..
>>In the last couple hours, I have lost my entire domain, Virtual server,
>>email accounts, except for one temporarily... My online life (that I value
>>deeply) is suddenly over..
>Again, I am amazed that one who claims to have an "online life" would not
>realize the folly of sending unsolicited commercial email.

Why?  I have been getting it myself for 2 years.. sometimes daily.. If I
don't like it (and sometimes I do,) I just click the delete button, It's not
that hard...
>Let me ask you this:  Have you received even ONE legitimate order from

Yes, 2 actually, still not worth the price I payed thought..
>> All because I sent out 100 test messages
>>with a program I bought that was suppose to keep me in the clear..
>You are aware, of course, that by "keeping you in the clear," the program
>means it attempts to HIDE your identity, to prevent people like me from
>finding out your REAL email address?

No actually it worked by MAKING you put a legit return address or it would
not send...
>>As far as your invoice goes, I guess I could file the same charges too..
>>I have not soliceted your services..
>In court, I would argue otherwise.  I would argue that you implicitly
>solicited my services by sending off-topic email to mailing lists at my
>site.  You implicitly solicited my services by putting the burden of cost
>for distributing YOUR commercial mail on ME.  When you send me one private
>email, we share the costs, which I accept as being an Internet citizen.
>When you send one email to one of my mailing lists, however, I am unfairly
>burdened with the costs of distributing that email to potentially thousands
>of subscribers.  While I willingly accept the burden of cost for on-topic
>email, I do not choose to do so with off-topic email.

In court in this country you would not have a chance...
>Furthermore, had you done your research, you would have known that I
>explicitly make it known that there are costs for distributing unsolicited
>commercial email.  Please see the link at the bottom of

I have never been to armchair..
I had no idea it was a mailing list.. I thought I was sending to individual
>>I made a mistake... I did not mean any harm to anyone... Now I am
>>finished... That should be enough to make you happy..
>Perhaps your ill-conceived and illegitimate business is finished.  Maybe
>now you can make a living like the rest of us by providing fair value for
>costs incurred.  Do you realize that sending Spam simply puts the burden of
>cost on the rest of the Internet?

There is nothing illigitimate about me or my business.
It does not cost to recieve email.
>>This is suppose to be a free country. I really thought it was OK to send A
>>legit offer..
>>I guess I was wrong..
>This is a free country.  That does not mean you are free, however, to steal
>from me -- and that IS what you are doing, by not paying distribution costs
>for unwanted email.
>>Please let this issue die
>Now I will.
Once again, thanx
>>I have suffered enough for my simple miniscule mistake..
>Well, if there is a positive to this, it is that maybe some would-be
>spamsters will learn something.  I intend to turn this exchange (suitably
>anonymized) into a Web page, to warn other would-be distributors of
>unsolicted commercial email of what WILL happen if they try it.
See that it IS anonymized or you will find out about the court system in
this country..

>>Dave Beightol
>Dave Voorhis, System and Mailing List Administrator
> or

Oh, right, like I'm going to let that go... Hit "Next," please.


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