From ???@??? Sun Jan 23 19:52:24 2000 To: Achla , Ken, , , From: Heather Subject: Kiss-Me Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: http://www.kissmeusa.com/ A silly idea? Perhaps.... You decide. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 01:17:24 1999 To: Ainsley From: Heather Subject: Hi.... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Ainsley.. You said you were a bit confused by the Santa Cause idea. Does this help? Both flyers -- Twoonies and Santa Cause -- are an attempt to do the same thing. The concept? Getting OTHER interested people to do your promoting for you. By using the power of the Internet. The presumption is people who believe in these causes - be they revitalizing the downtown by drawing traffic to a Santa Claus Village, or fans of a Paul Bellows - are the ones that support them. As, in a sense, they have always done. By their involvement or purchasing power. I'm empowering anyone who is interested to get involved. Also.. so people like Nancy McLennan don't go into early retirement because they spend wayyy too much time doing all the promoting. I mean.. ANYONE could call a radio station and ask the disc jockey to announce the concert for Paul. Anyone could set up print ads too, really. In fact, YOU know the drill. YOU'VE done this stuff. I'll bet there are ways to set a lot of this stuff up that could be 'web-i-fied' or databased/ecommerce somehow. We could create forms or something that the artists could submit to a radio station or a printer or a CD distributer.. in a package deal of some kind... that people could use. ---------------------------------- For example, a musician from out of town is touring. (ie. Paul) If he could access a 'network' resource that would create a promo piece for him and have local interested parties circulate this flyer, he would get better turnouts at his concerts. In fact, he could create the pieces himself and contact this network to print out the flyers and distribute a few. We could even set up something where he could have his choice: distribution by a few fans per area.. OR a city by city network source (paid) who would do regular publicity distribution of materials.. stored on the Web for easy access. The thinking is getting more people in any one town help to promote him. Imagine a big record company sending YOU press kit material for Paul by way of the net. Instead.. it's PAUL who is sending it to you. I mean.. that's what MP3.com is turning into.. one gigantic press kit for each artist. Just the idea I'm shooting for. Taking it OUT of the hands of the big record company and putting it in the hands of the artist.. and his network of helpers/fans/whatever. We could create a 'indie publicity network exchange.' An artist could come to a site, register who he is and post and update his touring/publicity requirements. People could come and register as flyer and publicity 'handlers.' Paul might pay a regular person to see to a network of people and he'd pay this person. Thoughts? H From ???@??? Tue Feb 01 13:49:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 4745 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2000 19:46:02 -0000 Received: from mo.egroups.com (207.138.41.166) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 1 Feb 2000 19:46:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-talk-return-647-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.126] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2000 19:42:11 -0000 Received: (listserv $); by f8; 01 Feb 2000 19:42:10 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22174 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2000 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from f170.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.170) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2000 19:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 66298 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2000 19:42:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000201194207.66297.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.95.147.227 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:42:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.95.147.227] From: "Barry Ingle" To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:42:07 MST Mailing-List: contact musicians-talk-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-talk@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-talk] Re: making a CD - suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to Isaiah III, I read your message and just wanted to suggest that you look into a recording studio which is doing business as a Not-for-profit. I just made a CD in Seattle at Jack Straw Foundation. My experience was very positive and personal and did not feel rushed or stressful in the least. I also paid $45/hour as opposed to the higher rates of other studios in town. Barry Ingle >From: "Isaiah, III Drone III" >Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com >To: musicians-talk@egroups.com >Subject: [musicians-talk] Re: Rock for the new millennium >Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:02:45 CST > >Hi Bill my name is Isaiah Drone III and I'm looking for incite on making >my own cd and connecting with the right people. Do you have any advice for >me to get started? If so please reply or refer me to someone whom can. > > > >>From: "bill lonero" >>Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com >>To: musicians-talk@eGroups.com >>Subject: [musicians-talk] Rock for the new millennium >>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:16:04 -0800 >> >><< text1.html >> > >______________________________________________________ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, >no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the >credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: >http://click.egroups.com/1/913/1/_/18143/_/949431772/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- http://www.egroups.com/VoiceChatPage?listName=musicians-talk&m=1 > > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/942/1/_/18143/_/949434130/ -- Create a poll/survey for your group! -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=musicians-talk&m=1 From ???@??? Sat Jan 15 15:26:12 2000 To: Bill From: Heather Subject: Re: Hillman Military Tribute Sites Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <011301bf5f86$7f908fa0$a8e9a1cf@LocalHost> References: X-Eudora-Signature: At 12:29 PM 1/15/00 -0600, you wrote: >Sorry I haven't been in touch... No prob. I know you are out there. That's what counts. Smile. >Your latest projects look fantastic. The punk concert, you mean? That was a blast. laugh. I'm working on a few more 'photo' things today. Photography is great, don't you agree? YOU can create the scene, as it were. Smile. >We've had an extremely busy month... Well, THAT IS GOOD! Right? Glad to hear it. >and any spare time I could eke out has >gone into the projects listed below: Good! Will check your links for anything I've missed. Now.. Here's a silly idea: A fictional musician's Web site. We create a number of fictional musicians (obviously WE supply the voices of the musicians but it would give us the opportunity to create a NUMBER of personas) and have a regular sort of Web site with MP3s and bios and the latest dirt and maybe even forums with the 'characters' talking to their fans.. laugh.. and when these fictional characters will tour (only make it a virtual tour -- we have ONLINE concerts that we create and broadcast) We make up the whole thing. But we USE the talents we have at songwriting, song creating, ETC. and promote the lot of them. For real. And even explain to people that this is what we are DOING. Think of this: Marvel comics has Web sites devoted to fan fiction. I'm not COMPLETELY familar with what goes on but from the few fan fiction sites I've been to, they aPPEAR to have people who create serial text installments of the comic book character. (Think of those Indiana Jones novels.) The presumption is the comic character already HAS a somewhat defined character and the writers are creating monthly story installments around those personas. So the idea is: we do the same thing with a musician persona only we ADD music to the mix. Think about it. When you visit a new artist's MP3 site, you see a pic and a bio and a few MP3s to download. Seriously.. this person MIGHT not even exist. But he's simply been packaged.. so you will be interested in him. And if I can get some REAL musicians interested in this idea (I'm not holding my breath.. laugh) we could create a NUMBER of these personas.. with the accompanying market package. I mean, think about it.. that's what marketing is about. They MARKET these artists.. to please you. Make sense? Thoughts, if ya got em. Hope all is well. You bet your BUTT I still wanna see your stuff. Perhaps we could work up some ideas BASED on these things. You are into ERB. Imagine a Web site.. with a character from one of his stories.. where we write fan fiction.. but we ALSO.. add musicians and music.. and pictures. And create a little Disney world of our own. And we never have to leave the house. laugh. Talk to ya. Heather From ???@??? Sat Jan 15 19:47:06 2000 To: Bill From: Heather Subject: Re: Hillman Military Tribute Sites Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <026e01bf5fa0$62f08840$a8e9a1cf@LocalHost> References: <3.0.5.32.20000115152612.00903380@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: more later ... I'm gonna read about Zantar.. I mean, Ratnaz. Thanks. but I forgot to mention. Sean Carruthers was in town. He has an idea for a web site he is calling http://www.globalhermit.com Enter with caution. Sean's got an interesting sense of humour. Dave did the deed and set up the domain while Sean was here at Christmas and Sean is gonna start working on it. The idea behind globalhermit.com is as the domain name suggests: Information, entertainment and such for all us global hermits who live in our tiny segmented weasel worlds and venture out from time to time to see what's going on. We're talking the slighty bent side of Sean and the Armchair characters we have here at the office. Sometimes the humour they have is.. a LITTLE strange. But the core of this would be parody.. essentially. He talked to Murray, of all people, while he was here and Murray sounds interested in contributing. Sean isn't really too concerned WHO contributes. He's like me, he'll do it all himself, if it comes to that. But he's interested in collaborating with people on this idea as well.. so just so you know. For example, Murray and Lei Anne travel a lot. So does Sean currently. So they both take a lot of pics of places they've been to. I haven't seen any of Murray's stuff but I imagine as he has that sardonic humour in his music, he would probably be up for creating "not quite ordinary" travelogues. Sean did a few on his other web site too. And Sean is into music and wouldn't mind writing music reviews.. for example. Sean is currently working as a lab editor/writer in Toronto for the Computer Paper. I don't know if you are familiar with Sean Carruthers. Are you? Anyway.. just some more thoughts to throw at cha. Heather From ???@??? Sat Jan 15 19:31:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 32646 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2000 21:37:49 -0000 Received: from ns.westman.wave.ca (207.161.124.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Jan 2000 21:37:49 -0000 Received: from LocalHost (modem233168.westman.wave.ca [207.161.233.168]) by ns.westman.wave.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13352 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:35:51 -0600 Message-ID: <026e01bf5fa0$62f08840$a8e9a1cf@LocalHost> From: "Bill & Sue-On Hillman" To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000115152612.00903380@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Hillman Military Tribute Sites Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:35:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Now.. Here's a silly idea: > A fictional musician's Web site. > > We create a number of fictional musicians (obviously WE supply the voices > of the musicians but it would give us the opportunity to create a NUMBER of > personas) and have a regular sort of Web site with MP3s and bios and the > latest dirt and maybe even forums with the 'characters' talking to their > fans.. laugh.. and when these fictional characters will tour (only make it > a virtual tour -- we have ONLINE concerts that we create and broadcast) > We make up the whole thing. But we USE the talents we have at songwriting, > song creating, ETC. > and promote the lot of them. For real. And even explain to people that this > is what we are DOING. > Marvel comics has Web sites devoted to fan fiction. I'm not COMPLETELY > familar with what goes on but from the few fan fiction sites I've been to, > they aPPEAR to have people who create serial text installments of the comic > book character. (Think of those Indiana Jones novels.) The presumption is > the comic character already HAS a somewhat defined character and the > writers are creating monthly story installments around those personas. > > So the idea is: we do the same thing with a musician persona only we ADD > music to the mix. > Make sense? > Thoughts, if ya got em. Hi Heather: A really great idea... it sure would lend itself to creativity. So many musicians are into a wide range of creative pursuits and I'm sure it would appeal to many. I haven't heard of it being done... well of course, Garth Brooks gave it a bit of a spin :-) > You are into ERB. > Imagine a Web site.. with a character from one of his stories.. where we > write fan fiction.. An ERB fan in Texas and myself have created an online pulp magazine parody based on ERB and his characters.... we took turns writing this serial which has blossomed to 122 chapters... we each fed off the other's zaniness. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/6643/meetratz.html and Son Ja-On has written a Highlander novel: http://home.westman.wave.ca/~hillmans/ja-on00.html so we are very open to similar ideas. Keep thinkin' kid, Bill BILL & SUE-ON HILLMAN ECLECTIC STUDIO http://home.westman.wave.ca/~hillmans From ???@??? Wed Jan 05 11:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 29093 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 16:29:12 -0000 Received: from mail.rack05.pangea.ca (qmailr@207.161.251.130) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 16:29:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 10178 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 16:27:54 -0000 Received: from dock07-00-40.ner.pangea.ca (HELO brendon) (64.4.88.96) by mail.rack05.pangea.ca with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 16:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <006301bf579a$159f3a40$0500a8c0@brendon> From: "Brendon Sawatzky" To: Subject: The Scoop ... Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:28:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF5767.CAFBA280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Hi Heather,
 
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Sun Feb 06 15:17:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10757 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from c9.egroups.com (207.138.41.187) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 21:04:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-talk-return-661-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.126] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2000 21:04:35 -0000 Received: (listserv $); by f8; 06 Feb 2000 21:04:35 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22267 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 21:04:02 -0000 Received: from mailsrv3.xnet.ro (HELO mail.xnet.ro) (193.230.161.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 21:04:02 -0000 Received: from calin ([193.230.164.209]) by mail.xnet.ro with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:05:18 +0200 Message-ID: <00e401bf7139$857e8880$7df2fea9@calin> From: "Calin" To: References: <875efh$ka9f@eGroups.com> <006901bf6de4$affb0d20$0b534d0c@catfish> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:03:29 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mailing-List: contact musicians-talk-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-talk@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-talk] independent music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! I'm following this list for a while now... I'm an independent musician, guitarist, composer and I invite you to visit my site at http://listen.to/Calin. It's all about instrumental stuff, inspired by traditional music. Thank You! PS. Here is the introduction from the site main page: This site introduces an independent artist, Calin, his past, his music and it also provides a special insight into his unique work-process of composition and sheds light on the world of Calin's songs. The songs of Calin's first solo album "Radiant Shadows" can be downloaded free from this site in mp3 form or listened online in real audio form. ------------------------------------------------------------------ <<<< Calin >>>> Independent Musician Web: http://listen.to/Calin ICQ: 20062322 Email: calint@xnet.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: http://click.egroups.com/1/1156/1/_/18143/_/949871075/ -- Check out your group's private Chat room -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=musicians-talk&m=1 From ???@??? Sat Jan 08 17:19:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 19089 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2000 21:21:30 -0000 Received: from xfh.egroups.com (HELO fh.egroups.com) (207.138.41.179) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 8 Jan 2000 21:21:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-talk-return-632-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.126] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2000 21:20:16 -0000 Received: (listserv $); by f8; 08 Jan 2000 21:20:16 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2000 21:20:04 -0000 Received: from mailsrv3.xnet.ro (HELO mail.xnet.ro) (193.230.161.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2000 21:20:04 -0000 Received: from calin ([193.230.164.220]) by mail.xnet.ro with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:21:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001701bf5a72$04abc200$dca4e6c1@calin> From: "Calin Turcanu" To: References: <20000108203228.4551.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:15:25 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Mailing-List: contact musicians-talk-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-talk@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-talk] please visit my site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! If anybody is interested in some good independent music, please visit my site at http://listen.to/Calin Enjoy :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------ <<<< Cãlin >>>> Independent Musician Web: http://listen.to/Calin ICQ: 20062322 Email: calint@xnet.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Toys, Books, Software. Save $10 on any order of $25 or more at SmarterKids.com. Hurry, offer expires 1/15/00. http://click.egroups.com/1/646/1/_/18143/_/947366416/ -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=musicians-talk&m=1 From ???@??? Sun Jan 09 17:11:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27509 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2000 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from mailsrv3.xnet.ro (HELO mail.xnet.ro) (193.230.161.20) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jan 2000 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from calin ([193.230.164.220]) by mail.xnet.ro with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:54:10 +0200 Message-ID: <003301bf5b0d$82c03400$dca4e6c1@calin> Reply-To: "Calin Turcanu" From: "Calin Turcanu" To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000108172540.00913210@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000108183548.0090daa0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Hmm... Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:53:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Return-Path: calint@xnet.ro Hi > These days I am almost afraid to use the word 'collaborate.' People I ask > seem to get all excited at the start.. then when it actually comes time to > 'so something'.. they get busy. I don't understand that. One either 'does > something' or one doesn't. What experiences have you had in this area of > the use of the phrase 'let's collaborate.' I have a big experience of playing in a band, let's say like 10 years. Check out my "bio" to see more details ... Indeed, you can get along well with a person, then try to collaborate and see that you don't match in music ... I was in 2 types of bands. Teenage bands, where we actually were learning together and where no one is the leader because no one could, and everybody plays how he wants and where each one wants to be how he wants. I was the leader of any of these experienced bands I was in :-) and I always knew how to keep my members ... > I sometimes think people don't believe me. They think I want them to do > what _I_ want them to do. > I don't. > I want them to do what THEY want to do. And we'll just see what happens, > yanno? Actually here is complicated to answer. It all have to do with the band rules. I played in classic rock bands, the rock which came from blues and here it is normal that I let plenty of space for the bassist and drummer to improvise allot if they were keeping the rhythm and the color of the song I wanted ... > I know little of music sampling. What equipment do you use to do this? A simple sound blaster. Ok, it is not so simple, it has 8 stereo channels and it has a good sound. But it is not hi end or something. It has 16Mb of RAM and there I can load the samples ... > I am a vocalist. Thoughts? I have a good voice. I am in a strange > "listening" mode these days. I have a friend who improvises on guitar and I > simply 'sound' along. Searching for interesting sounds. When I composed this themes of the songs I didn't know that they are gonna be instrumental music. The fact that I play instrumental is lack of good vocals here ... > And I'm associating with a few musicians, a sound engineer and some > interested music types just lately, so this may actually start to lead > somewhere. Let me know what you think of all this. If it doesn't suit you, > no biggie. Just thought I'd ask. Well, I think you are not from Romania ;-) and I guess you are not from Europe either :-). A physical collaboration it is hard to be done ... That's why I propose this Internet collaboration. Let's say you will figure out how to put a voice part on one of my songs. I will give you all you need to know about songs, tempo, even scores and you will record that part and I will mix it in the song ... That what I call Internet collaboration :-) And it can have a future. Think about how big is the world. In your small town it is hard to find a musician that is ok to you. But in the entire world... As a musician I'm happy because my music will evolve.. think about how happy I will be to listen my music played by a Banjo player from Atlanta or by a flute player from Japan and so on... You can have some publicity your self as a musician. I already have 180 visitors in one week :-) > I once attempted guitar. I sucked. I can't seem to sing and play at the > same time. But I bought a guitar and am trying again. There is a lot of new > music I am listening to. Yours, for example. Where it may lead, I don't know. Enlarge your influences .... > Tell me a bit about your other lives... musically. What kind of music is > influencing you.. say.. THIS month? No.. I'm not being silly.. I just sense > you may be experimenting too so you aren't listening to anyone.. actually. yeah, I have many many other projects. Soon I will put a page on the site with these other projects. These others are much more pop style. You will see them when they will be online. Should I add you on my newsletter to notice you about news from my site? Talking about musical influences I just turned my head to see what music I have here :-) Definitely I like Led Zeppelin. Page really influenced my guitar style allot. Also I like 60's music and stuff like this. But I am influenced now, as I said on the site at my page, by traditional music from different countries ... Armenia, Hungary, Romania of course :-) but most of all INDIA ... I suggest traditional music too because it could be a good experience for you, to see other dimensions and have other influences. But I also listen top10 and this kinda music because I don't want to be outside reality. I always want to be in tune ... Cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------ <<<< Cãlin >>>> Independent Musician Web: http://listen.to/Calin ICQ: 20062322 Email: calint@xnet.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Jan 10 12:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 8783 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 12:16:32 -0000 Received: from websrv1.xnet.ro (HELO mail.xnet.ro) (193.230.161.12) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 12:16:32 -0000 Received: from calin ([193.230.164.208]) by mail.xnet.ro with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: <000601bf5bb8$0ad67480$d0a4e6c1@calin> Reply-To: "Calin Turcanu" From: "Calin Turcanu" To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000108172540.00913210@mail.creatist.com><3.0.5.32.20000108183548.0090daa0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000109194110.0090bd80@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Hmm... Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:00:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Return-Path: calint@xnet.ro Hi! > Here are some some thoughts. Let me know if this conversation interests you > or not. If not, I will stop, okay? Just so you know. No, it's ok :-) I like to chat with people about music ... > I've seen your bio. You are really into music. I like your Web site as > well. You've put a lot of work into it. It is looking very good. Have you > just learned all this Web stuff on your own? Or do you have other friends > who are into Web stuff as well? All alone ... > I understand. I haven't had much experience collaborating with people in > music. I think it would be interesting to try. I have pretty broad tastes. That's a good start ... > I remember reading about a singer years ago. He seemed to be getting into > ALL PARTS of the music-making process. He was a singer but he was also a > musician, songwriter and producer of his music. I feel with the easier > access of music making equipment, (as in.. you can do it on your computer > even) a lot more people would have this attitude. Yes that's what I do, I play, mix, produce and promote my music, but that's not what I want. I do that because of lack of people to work with here in my town ... If it was how I wanted I would prefer to be a simple guitarist :-). I have many regrets that I don't have time to study guitar as much as I want and be a virtuoso. I have to do other things too ... > Are you seeing that in the industry or am I wrong? Perhaps this is part of > my misperception of the people I have been attempting to 'collaborate' > with. They are only capable (or interested) in one thing. And it ISN'T > creating ideas. hm, once I heard a word.. "God is creator, we are al interpreters" :-). Meaning that we are all a product of our influences nevermind we consider ourselves original, we have our music from somewhere ... About today's music industry, I think it is wrong. I mean bands like BackStreet Boys in top? it's not alright. But I am just a beginner in this (real music biz) and don't have time to make a show biz philosophy now, I just want to get my music heard by many people ... :-) > I am dealing with a small club here in town (I'm new here. I used to live > in Toronto.. a much larger town) that has a music night on Monday nights. I > started to help them by creating a small Web site for the venue and the > artists who played. I wanted to do more promoting of this venue. One of the > women who books the bands said she wanted to do 'more' at first but > eventually she stated that all she 'did' was book the bands. She didn't > "promote" them and "had no interest in doing so." I was at the site, I think it's looking bright a great. The pics are cool too. You did a good job. > I think it's kinda dumb to book a band and then not promote it. Heaven help > the new bands or bands from outside of this town. No one is gonna come to > see them. That's right. I remember now that movie, The Blues Brothers. I'm sure you saw it. They were having a gig and they were going through all Chicago with a huge cab above the car and promote their concert :-) > Tell me something. Do the majority of people who play in bands have no real > focus and only one person.. the leader.. sets the focus? In this kinda bands it is this story. Some one starts the band in order to do something that he wants. He has some songs and he get a band together to play them. He is the leader. The others are 2 types. Guys who have creative ideas and guys who don't. Now, the leader can agree with the creative ideas of the others or he can't be. If he is not, the other creative band member will go away and found his other band. I don't know about others but we romanians are very individualists. I am living in Brasov which is an area very active on the music plan. Very close to us there is this town Zarnesti, very small, I think 15 000 people or so. There were 10 men in '92 and they had 7 bands !!!!!! :-) Projects and projects.... Why was that, because they were to creative and to proud to insert their own ideas into the others project ... > I would think that ALL the band members each have a part to contribute. > Again, back to my concept about people collaborating.. equally. this is hard to be done, especially in pop/rock music. In blues for example it's simple, but when a band member comes with a composition maybe he don't wants intruders in his ideas. He just wants to hear the song as he thought it will sound ... > Sure, I mean.. if there is one person who is particularly good at the music > creation or the musical arrangements, he should contribute that component > that he is good at. But I would imagine if one is a musician, one PROBABLY > has some music-related ideas to contribute. I had this experience only once an in a 2 band members. I was making the songs and the bassist was doing other things then what I thought is normal. It was cool, we developed new harmonies for the song. Latter I was checking the music theory of our songs and I saw that what we were doing was more then interesting. About your site idea, I have this idea too as I told you, but for exclusive online artists like me. I want to let musician contribute, at least only by interpretation for the start, to my songs. I think it could be only in the benefit of internet music collaboration on the net which we are pioneering now :-) It IS really nice talking to you and hear your ideas ... Take Care! ------------------------------------------------------------------ <<<< Cãlin >>>> Independent Musician Web: http://listen.to/Calin ICQ: 20062322 Email: calint@xnet.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Aug 23 21:15:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 13430 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 16:51:01 -0000 Received: from vmail.ic.gc.ca (192.197.184.234) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 16:51:01 -0000 Received: by vmail.ic.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:44:05 -0400 From: "Carlan, Vicki: IHAB3" To: "'hallie@creatist.com'" Subject: Smart Communities Letters of Intnet in Manitoba Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:40:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Dear Ms. Lovatt, Thank you for your interest in Smart Communities. Please visit our website (http:smartcommunities@ic.gc.ca) later today (Monday, August 23, 1999) to find out who submitted letters of Intent in Manitoba as well as the rest of Canada. We will be listing all project titles and sponsoring organizations for each province and region. Unfortunately, we cannot offer any other information about the applicants at this time. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any other questions. Sincerely, vc ___________________________ Victoria Carlan Smart Communities Directorate Industry Canada tel (613) 946 9925 fax(613) 941 8617 From ???@??? Tue Aug 24 10:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 3463 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:37:12 -0000 Received: from vmail.ic.gc.ca (192.197.184.234) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:37:12 -0000 Received: by vmail.ic.gc.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:30:30 -0400 From: "Carlan, Vicki: IHAB3" To: Heather Subject: RE: Smart Communities Letters of Intnet in Manitoba Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:32:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Hello Ms. Lovatt, Thank you for your note. We have recently switched servers and ran into a few unexpected technical problems. These problems should be resolved later today. We apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, vc ___________________________ Victoria Carlan Smart Communities Directorate Industry Canada tel (613) 946 9925 fax(613) 941 8617 > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather [SMTP:hallie@creatist.com] > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 11:54 PM > To: Carlan, Vicki: IHAB3 > Subject: Re: Smart Communities Letters of Intnet in Manitoba > > At 12:40 PM 8/23/99 -0400, Victoria wrote: > >Dear Ms. Lovatt, > > > >Thank you for your interest in Smart Communities. Please visit our > website > >(http:smartcommunities@ic.gc.ca) > > Odd. I just double-clicked this URL and got a "this page cannot be > displayed" error message. It was at 10:51 p.m. on Monday evening. > > Please advise. > > Thanks. > > Heather Lovatt > > Armchair Airlines/creatist.com > > From ???@??? Thu Jan 06 13:12:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 26632 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from h004033a0dcf5.ne.mediaone.net (HELO viatechinc.net) (24.218.216.207) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from elicense.com ([192.168.1.68]) by viatechinc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02026 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:54:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cdoherty@elicense.com) Message-ID: <3874E479.1D6A863D@elicense.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:52:41 -0500 From: Chris Doherty Organization: ViaTech, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Re: Tech problems with MP3 file References: <3.0.5.32.20000103194720.00921930@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000104184617.00923690@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000105165557.00911970@mail.creatist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Heather, Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. WinAmp 2.5e is the best player to use. http://www.winamp.com The new stuff should work with Real Player on NT. Liquid Audio should also work fine. Below is a list of the new downloads: ftp://64.14..88.54/install_after_midnight_mp3.exe ftp://64.14..88.54/install_mikes_song_mp3.exe ftp://64.14..88.54/install_water_in_the_sky_mp3.exe ftp://64.14..88.54/install_che_hun_ta_mo_mp3.exe ftp://64.14..88.54/install_prince_caspian_mp3.exe ftp://64.14..88.54/install_wolfmans_brother_mp3.exe I'm anxious to know that you are up and running normally. Thanks. Chris Heather wrote: > At 12:43 PM 1/5/00 -0500, you wrote: > >OK . > >Please let me know if I can assist you with this anytime. > >There's no doubt that the software players themselves have > >a bunch of issues. > >Hopefully at some point you'll get to listen to the Phish tracks. > > Well, I'm sitting here now with a reinstalled Win NT. What music player do > you suggest I download? Which one will be least problematic. I will also > attempt to reinstall Netscape but I will be sure to NOT include any Real > Player components.. unless you think Real Player is STILL the way to go. > > What's this Liquid Audio about? Any better? > > Heather > creatist.com From ???@??? Thu Jan 06 13:30:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 26815 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 19:16:25 -0000 Received: from h004033a0dcf5.ne.mediaone.net (HELO viatechinc.net) (24.218.216.207) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 19:16:25 -0000 Received: from elicense.com ([192.168.1.68]) by viatechinc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02059 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:15:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cdoherty@elicense.com) Message-ID: <3874E960.C123DFD9@elicense.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:13:36 -0500 From: Chris Doherty Organization: ViaTech, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Sent wrong link info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Heather, The links I gave you had an extra dot in them. Below are the ones that work: ftp://64.14.88.54/install_after_midnight_mp3.exe ftp://64.14.88.54/install_mikes_song_mp3.exe ftp://64.14.88.54/install_water_in_the_sky_mp3.exe ftp://64.14.88.54/install_che_hun_ta_mo_mp3.exe ftp://64.14.88.54/install_prince_caspian_mp3.exe ftp://64.14.88.54/install_wolfmans_brother_mp3.exe Chris From ???@??? Sun Oct 31 15:25:20 1999 To: Dave From: Heather Subject: Deliverables for October 99 Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Deliverables/costs for October 99 --------------------------------- 1. creatist.com Web site - structure and content expansion Phase two development - "Homepage" site for creatist - Structure and content created. http://www.creatist.com Cost: $250.00 - phase two development ----------------------------------------------- 2. Twoonies - site model - Further content development Twoonies, originally a model for a "music" venue listing /artist database site, is being used as a content model for Aldwyn - an all-venue posting site. (Dave is working on this application) The components developed in Twoonies will be offered as a structured package to venues and artists who wish to post their own content on Aldwyn. The current components of the site are: a. PhotoJam - pictures of the event b. 'Liner Notes - commentary/review/CD marketing of venue c. Venue tour - Information/picture tour of venue site d. Event specials - promote new or non-standard events or specials (ie. Thursday night dinnershow, Halloween party and a new weekly Latino Nite) e.Venue Schedule - day, date time of venue with links to artist information - called ArtistFacts - I've been networking with artists to provide content for this component. The content for the site was weekly updated. Potential venues and artists were made aware of the Aldwyn and Twoonie's sites. http://www.creatist.com/twoonies Cost: $250.00 - content model development ---------------------------------------------- 3. Pet Biscuits Web site - Humour and pets Web site Complete site development - One page pet picture with humourous caption. Submissions from pet owners are encouraged. Creatist.com traffic building site. Potential ad revenue from pet-related business and taking pictures of pets for pet owners. Seeking pet expert content submissions as well. http://www.creatist.com/PetBiscuits Cost: $150.00 - complete site development ---------------------------------------------- 4. VolunteerBase - canvassing and site content Created web brochure for 'help grow a people.' Canvassed volunteer organizations to register for VolunteerBase (only one registrant so far) Last Friday, began to include other businesses, people and potential volunteers who may help to encourage action from volunteer agencies. Will continue to revisit volunteer agencies and businesses til more activity occurs on VolunteerBase. Web brochure: http://www.creatist.com/VolunteerBase/helpGrowAPeople1.html Web brochure - $150.00 Time spent canvassing - $250.00 Cost: $400.00 - VolunteerBase creative and marketing ----------------------------------------------------- 5. Creatist.com - networking for Web site and content submissions Spent time networking with individuals and businesses to build awareness of creatist.com Web site and discussed ideas for further potential Web sites to be built and content developed or submitted from these people. Currently in progress. Output intangible. Cost: $250.00 - networking for creatist.com and new Web site development ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total cost for Oct. 99 - $1300.00 From ???@??? Fri Nov 19 19:58:01 1999 To: Dave From: Heather Subject: Thought Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Dave What do you think of this idea: The Brandon Folk, Music and Art Festival has a board of directors and a selection committee who choose what acts will get booked at the festival. Based on the assumption that they choose based on talent.. (ie.. it has nothing to do with how much a band gets paid) everyone is on equal footing. How about a Web site where all candidates for a festival (any music festival) enter their tapes (or MP3s, is what I'm thinking) on a Web site and the populace comes to the Web site.. listens to these entries and votes on who will play at the festival? I thought of this as Lisa-Marie was complaining that she couldn't get booked/chosen for the Festival. She's not sure if it's politics, looks, attitudes, or what.. But it just got me to thinking about this. I mean MAN.. if someone isn't getting a listen to based on their looks...(for the sake of argument) That's NUTS. ----------- It increases the sense of participation of the audience, the audience gets the acts IT wants to listen to that season, therefore there's more chance they attend the concert and the concert gets advance publicity out of it and EVERYONE gets to hear from the entrants. Tell me what you think? I just found out that the Brandon Folk Festival is made up of only so many people. That small (older) group of people pick who _I_ listen to at a festival. Hmmm... I wonder if an idea like this could improve traffic to any venue. For all of that.. EACH VENUE could have a musician on a Web site under their scheduled listing and people could come to listen to you.. way ahead of seeing posters that don't always get posted.. especially if you are an out-of-town band who is young, unknown and short on funds for advertising. We could twist that event planning.. mambo.com thing into this.. sorta.. From ???@??? Tue Aug 31 16:27:30 1999 To: Dave Voorhis From: Heather Subject: Re: proposal - Note: this is very long! Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <19990831045932.16581.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990830141846.00924b00@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990830141846.00924b00@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: At 04:59 AM 8/31/99 GMT, Dave wrote: >Heather writes: > >> Proposal for ad poster utility and digital downtown directory > >[...] > >Now _THIS_ is the kind of thing I'm looking for!!! YES!!! Thank you. >> We want to "put a face to each storefront" by providing a picture of >>each business/building and perhaps its occupants. A one page entry will >>also include a standard address/phone/fax/email/Web site link listing. >>Nothing more as this is provided for free. They pay later when they use >>the ad banner poster utility. > >If we give them this, why would they wish to use the banner poster utility? Response to your question in two Parts - Background and Response Background - Sections A, B, and C --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Section A******* We need to find ways to get business owners online Whether you like it or not, creating a utility and telling people to come use it is NOT the only thing we need to do. We ALSO need to get the people who are not YET online... online. Or if not online, USING the selling power of the Web. And they don't have to have their own Web site if they don't want one or can't afford one right now. We could just as easily have a Web department store that WE own and they pay us to market their products (as I'm sure you know). We could ALSO have a store that doesn't even use e-commerce. This is for the "local store" concept we are starting with. We could supply an information-ladened (sp) ad, coupon or special on our site, the buyer would see it and go to the appropriate local store to buy the object. If we got the online buyers to MENTION that this is where they had SEEN the product, we could start to make the store owners understand the potential of the Web. We have to SHOW them it works for them before they are gonna be convinced to lay down a whole lot of money for advertising or Web sites or whatever. They don't all need to own a piece of the _newspaper_ to advertise on it. Section B*******Potential Entrants to Web are saying, "How MUCH????" Now this DOESN'T have to mean they have a full blown Web site. I can see these people's points who are still balking at the Web. I was looking at the suggested startup pricing for a government sponsored storefront hosted by Web Networks and all I wanted to say was, "screw you guys! I just want to get my damn feet wet! I don't have thousands of dollars to invest up front for a damn entrance to the Web!" In typical "grab the money now" fashion every Tom, Dick and Sylvia is trying to get people who aren't yet even ON the Web to spend money like they've got it. People are saying, "you MUST have this 3000 dollar Web site and you MUST have this 800 dollar a year ad campaign and you must have this and you must have that." Crap! I would take my 3000 dollars and buy more of the traditional advertising I've always bought. (Cos for one, I know it works!) That was even if I HAD the 3000 dollars to SPEND right now. They are offering "intro" net training at a $100 a hour for one person (get 5 people, if you can, and it'll cost you $20 a person) Crap! Intro information could easily be found on the Web. These kinds of people are STILL trying to justify their high-figure "I'm an expert" salaries. These Web Networks and government types are STILL taking that attitude that they have some kind of captive audience or are dealing with huge corporations (which some of them could be, yes) and that they've got massive dollar budgets to toss here and there. I'm not disputing their methods. It will work for some groups. I KNOW this. But presently, the rate of expansion, using this method (cos they want so DAMN MUCH MONEY for not a hell of a lot to show for it) is gonna be at a snails pace. It's like Adobe charging $800 for Photoshop... ARGGHH! All I want is to create a damn picture! NOT pay for someone's yacht at Adobe or Microsoft! It's like ME paying $60 bucks a month in union dues to 'work' part-time at Superstore. Give me a BREAK! Section C***************Start with a networked infrastructure first Instead, if we start with some simple, tangible items, that don't cost people much more than giving their permission (I believe it's called 'mindshare') we can build a completely saturated base from which to work from. Look at the cable companies. That is EXACTLY what they did. Everybody gets set up for cable. (Even if you haven't bought any yet) The infrastructure is in place. All anyone will have to do now is pick up the phone and ask for service. This page we offer for "free" is a placeholder. A reminder to everyone in the downtown core that they can be part of a network. That we will build, component by component. It's like the IRDS said. Everyone is focusing on little pockets of people here and there. No one is focusing on putting an ENTIRE network in place. Westman Cable comes the closest to doing this. I see them as our greatest competition. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- (repeated for clarity) >If we give them this, why would they wish to use the banner poster utility? Response to your Question -------------------------- -------------------------- Think of it this way: The banner poster utility is a black box, meaning, it could eventually contain any number of components. We build it so it is highly expandable, and highly FLEXIBLE to fill future needs. The first rather USEFUL need it fills out of the starting gate is a do-it-yourself banner poster. That is just a start. Think of it as _our_ web-based OPERATING system. Our first objective in taking over the net world (I'm kidding) is to put an infrastructure in place that includes everyone. This is what the IRDS was suggesting. This is what Microsoft does when they include Win95 whether you want it or not on your new computer. This infrastructure must serve a purpose as well. (It does. it offers the ad banner utility.) We want everyone to use our infrastructure/operating system so we initially give it away for free just like Linux. To guarantee 100% coverage of the downtown area, we tell the participants we are GIVING them an entrance to the web - a one page database entry with a picture. The relationship can stop right there. We don't need to add anything to this page. But this page will ALSO contain an ad for another person who DID pay us. A person surfing to our Web site who surfs to this page and gets info on the database entry sees the ad for the person who paid us by e-commerce. This database entry is acting like "content." That AGAIN is what the IRDS was suggesting. It's what On! Brandon is doing as well only we have gone one level higher by adding a picture and a free link exchange to their Web site if they have one. I don't know why On! Brandon hasn't even thought of this. It would be simple enough to do. Then again, I do. They want to make their money _now_ on that element they are traditionally used to getting money for. And missing all the opportunities beyond that. The one page serves its purpose. A placeholder. To make money, we think of _other_ things to add and make them pay for that, like a "specials" or coupon or product entry. (that non-ecommerce idea I mentioned above) We don't need them to provide anything, except any missing information we might not have. We take the GOOD digital pictures ourselves. THAT will impress them versus a two line entry on an ON! Brandon listing. I have a listing from the Downtown Today paper from the BIA that lists all the businesses downtown. If I WANTED to, I could create database entries from this. Which I am not going to do. I want a buy-in from these people. I want to obtain that "mindshare." And I want to make it as painless for them to buy in as possible. This is as much a 'building traffic' scheme as building an revenue base. Lot of companies are creating directories with just this information. But in their greed to make money NOW, they are missing that point that the IRDS stated that we need to network EVERYONE and do it effectively. We MAY end up getting someone to help us BUILD this infrastructure. We could solicit government or business sponsors. But in the meantime, if we start small, with something as simple as an ad poster utility and a digital directory page, we are setting the groundwork for massive saturation that we could sell our OTHER applications to. We've got to get their attention first. And a person would STILL have to surf to that ONE page only to see the companies' information. The AD banner poster utility will be available for viewing on EVERY PAGE! So a business owner is STILL gonna want to place a banner ad. And as this network expands beyond Brandon, we are broaching that horizon of offering a business advertising ANYWHERE on the net in a fairly systematic fashion. We will have captured an audience. And we create more content and applications to sell to them. >I'm 100% with you on the rest, but I'm not clear on this one point. It >sounds like we're creating a banner ad for them... Systematically strolling along Rosser Avenue and taking pictures of storefronts to show to the business owners or anyone who comes to our Web site to buy our advertised 'banner ad poster utility' is not exactly creating a banner ad. As far as THAT goes, the operation can be two-fold. It gives me or you (especially) the opportunity to showcase our photographic skills. I can probably find other content uses for those images as well. It costs us nothing but our time. And it may help build an argument to pitch to a potential sponsor. There will be no grand description of what the store sells, or specials etc. Nothing but the name, contact information and Web site link, (that's nothing more than what Link Exchange has and they do THAT for free too) which they may or may not have. This also gives US the opportunity to collect all the email/Web site address information for Brandon so we know who's already out there. And yanno what? This is exactly what I've seen real estate types do -- only they just take a picture. When I was in Bramalea I still remember feeling odd when some real estate guy came to our door to give us a keychain with a tiny slide viewer and picture of our house. This was way back in the late seventies. Only we will put it to a better service than running up to people and saying, "ya wanna sell your house so I can make a commission?" Laugh. ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 1. Objective: Create IA documents for this project >> ------------- > >What's an IA document? I.A. stands for Information Architect >BTW, I don't know what an "Information Architecture" document is, either... I still have to research this but simply put: it's what you asked me for the other day when you described me as an architect. It's a clearly written information blueprint of what needs to be built. These are what I will provide you with. It's like, I'm finally attaching a 'name' to what we already do. That's all. >> Now, I've wasted enough time on this. > >Wasted? No waste. Yes. I know. I simply said "wasted" in this case cos I should have been working on something else -- like testing VolunteerBase which I will get back to now that I am totally awake. (I've slept from the time I left at six p.m. til 11 am.) I came in at noon and spend 3 1/2 hours now to this point on THIS document. Well, it's faster than some things I've done in the past. I'm WORKIN' on it. >This is good. So you are interested in me talking to the BIA about this idea? I want to do this soon. Before Lara is gone, back to school. (Not that THAT matters, I'm gonna to keep in touch with her for other things) The Pickle Festival approaches. These types are going to be embroiled in pickle (broiled pickles?) thoughts soon. And there's a Ward meeting in early September which I want to check out for signs of life. If I could end up talking to people about this during Pickle Festival, even on a casual level, it would be good. It will be good to make use of those crowds in early September. And I still haven't related the Elophant scheme to you which is ALSO something that can be related to the BIA among others. (Tangibles first! I'll come BACK to that proposal) >I'd like to see a bit more on how you plan to market this, the costs, and >how you plan to take it beyond just Brandon. Since you sound like you've approved this idea, I will start to work on them. Right now: the costs are gonna be the time spent building this stuff. You've seen how little other information I plan to add to the digital directory entry. If someone suggests another component or level of information (like Lara at the BIA) I'll deal with it then. >And, of course, the answer to my first question -- how we get them to start posting banner ads when we're giving 'em, a, uh, banner ad. I did above. And since I was only pitching an idea for approval, I will get you answers to the other questions as well. >I'd strongly recommend trying to get media interest in this. We could >score quite a coup by being the first Webco to be covered by the media for >being a Brandon portal. Webco? I take it that stands for Web company? Oh, don't worry, I intend to talk to the media. And if I can solicit a buy-in from the BIA or the other high end agencies I've mentioned on the proposal, that possibility increases. -------------------------- Actually, it's finally come back to me what I was thinking yesterday. We are eventually going to offer services that could REPLACE some of these businesses. I won't go into it now. I'm just glad I remembered this. --------------------------- And you said you hadn't a clue as to why the BIA wasn't on the Web or anything, right? I know Laurene writes stories. I've seen them on Netreader. So I know they are INTO the Web. I just couldn't understand why Lara didn't have access to the Internet to look at my sites. (She couldn't get at it, password protected or something stupid like that -- in THEIR line of work? Dumb!) You don't happen to know, by the way, who OWNS the BIA, do you? I mean, how do they make their money? Are they funded by the city or something? ---------------- Oh, did I mention to you that I THINK I met Dan Cooper (I think that's his first name) at the Brandon Sun? Dave Shust, out of the blue, mentioned some guy he ran into recently. You and he both commented on this guy's writing style as being strange. ("her face was like a pizza") What I find coincidental is I THINK he described this Dan Cooper to be the same person I met in the Editorial office of the Brandon Sun. We spoke briefly. I was sorta just asking directions to someone else. He reminds me of that sorta squirrely looking, curly-haired guy who was a junior P.I. alongside Bruce Willis on that Moonlighting series from ages ago with Cybil Shepard. >Again, this is a good idea, and quite well presented. This project needs >doing, and fortunately it's technically very straightforward. But isn't >it essentially what Brandon.com is trying to do, though perhaps they're >doing it in a slow and laborious manner? You mean the same bunch who, for two years at least (and longer) have had this Brandon guide? The paper version? Which they ported.. colour schemes and all.. over to the Web site? I don't see a lot of activity on this though I'm sure they are working on SOMETHING, having joined with Leech and all. (I wonder if people have to pay for that paper version entry?) It reminds me of Leech Prints' map. Actually, what got me thinking about this digital map was a Brandon map I've obtained that has pictures of cartoon versions of people and businesses in town. It's a cute thing, not intended to find one's way around town, strictly for advertising. What _I_ thought was ironic is the map had been created by a company in ALBERTA! ---------------- And what I've just proposed, if implemented, could see EVERYONE downtown with a data page within the month. Like, my phrase here is: It's THAT SIMPLE! Why haven't they done it already? ---------------- (repeated for clarity) >But isn't it essentially what Brandon.com is trying to do, though perhaps >they're doing it in a slow and laborious manner? Yes. And they are BEING slow and laborious for the very reasons I mentioned earlier about wanting to make money off of something that's quickly going to get absorbed as a given. And in a way, it's companies like theirs that are holding the Web back in some directions. I only use them as an example. There are PLENTY of salespeople on the Web trying to make money the same way. It's that old routine. People keep repeating online, what they do offline and try making money at it. Don't they notice situations (and potential opportunites) have CHANGED a tad? I don't get the sense that if I was to run out tomorrow and do exactly this.. that I'd have gotten in the way of someone who is on the street RIGHT now.. offering the same thing. In fact, I KNOW it. Cos if they had.. it would be done already. And even if Brandon.com HAS done this, they may not be thinking as far ahead with the idea as I've described. Everyone keeps thinking in terms of 'their' customers, the ones they have already. Though I don't imagine they're creating an banner ad poster utility, do you think? The digital directory page is just sweetener. --------------------------- All this will require is the database entry device and form like you set up for the McKenzie's input. That's about all I'll need from you right now. I'd prefer this from _you_ versus you suggesting my creating a database just now (sigh) as we need to be thinking of how to incorporate this with php3 and long-term open architecture variables not thought of yet. We aren't selling the banner ad poster yet. All we are doing is a simple enumerating process. And taking pics. That's gonna be the start of a kind of Smart Community. We might even refer to it as that as that word is being used in a number of places around the whole world, even, it seems. I'd just heard of it recently. If I encounter anyone who is doing something similar, they and I can discuss what to do when it happens. Meantime, I've been here a year and I've not read or seen anything about this. Yes, I may end up with a "reality check" like the now TWO hot dog days I've seen advertised for the Sept. 10 - 11 time frame. But I might almost find something even better to work on or build. Yanno? Thanks for reading. Heather From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 18:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 21227 invoked by uid 501); 1 Sep 1999 22:30:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990901223028.21226.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990901110621.00920aa0@mail.creatist.com> In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19990901110621.00920aa0@mail.creatist.com> From: Dave Voorhis To: Heather Subject: Re: You better be around.. I'm gonna go talk to Lara about this now.. Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:30:28 GMT Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heather writes: > I had expected to hear from you today. Using NetZero is painfully clumsy. It works, but only after enduring sometimes up to an hour of busy signals and misconnections, and then it's often arduously slow. > Here's my idea: a cross-promotion exchange > > We could solicit advertising from all the businesses who provide service or > business to to small business, among others. This is a good idea. Dave... From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 11:29:57 1999 To: Dave Voorhis From: Heather Subject: Re: Proposal - Pickle Postcard Web site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <19990902022826.25272.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990901182216.00922e80@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901141310.009243d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901141310.009243d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901182216.00922e80@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: At 02:28 AM 9/2/99 GMT, Daver wrote: >Heather writes: > >> >Personally, I think the "Pickle Festival" is idiotic, [...] My main interest is to get the people in Brandon's attention. I have no opinion on ANYTHING that's going on in this little town. If I can get some tagalong publicity from it, I'm going to seek those groups out. (Objective one - Build traffic) I'm building on events that are already in place. The people I may be collaborating with or seeking information from on projects or the customers that THEY are currently already working with. You may have strong feelings about the Pickle Fest but my thought right now is people come to this thing, people spend money on this thing and if I can get Brian to set up a booth on the corner of Rosser and 10th so people can use the computer to send pickle postcards plus Laurene putting out blurbs on that booth, they might also have an opportunity to: 1. See and register for VolunteerBase 2. Browse Market Value Auction 3. See the URL "http://www.creatist.com/picklepostcard 4. See Brandon.com (which I'm sure is what Brian is looking for) Make sense? All things lead to two things: Drawing traffic Making money If I could, I'd have a 'pickle pin,' printout-able pickle festival iron-ons and pickle teeshirts made. Some of those things could be sold. Dig? We could even suggest a 'pickle poster' along with the pickle postcard that the kids could print out to colour. I was just talking to Laurene's husband, Garry from Artistic concepts. HE suggested a Pickle Cam on the corner of Rosser and 10th. Tell me it's a silly idea. I think it's an interesting thought. Also.. Laurene is not very computer literate. How would you feel about me suggesting a 'TEMPORARY' Pickle Festival Web site? A very simple one. And I'm suggesting that I do it for FREE... at the moment. This is another group who are YET to get on the net. As Nancy related, Brian is busy creating things 'for print.' That is still the mentality she thinks he is operating under. If I created a simple Web site.. right now.. with the images that already exist for Pickle Festival... perhaps I could interest them in doing something full-scale (for money) later on. As I mentioned.. the directory they were working on at BIA was on the backburner. _I_ think the BIA are slow on the Web site for Pickle Fest for the same reason.. they're busy running around doing what they've always done for the Pickle Fest and not JUMPING on the simple marketing opportunity that the Pickle Fest Web site could bring. I'm suggesting something simple for the Web site. (Same as the idea for a digital directory) I'm sure they have lots of stuff they'd already set up. I'll even run it by Brian and see what he thinks. I just think.. there should already BE one. Much like I thought, there should already BE a digital directory. Why hasn't someone done it already? Strictly my opinion. I will wait your approval on a Web site pro bono cos I've already heard your views on Pickle Fest. But it's a moneymaking festival that people come to already.. why not hook into it? And grab their audience.... >> Understood. I know how you feel. But this is a minor thing and if you >>are saying yes, I say "Thank you." > >I'm saying "yes." I don't know whether a useable postcard ap can be >created in time (when IS the Pickle Festival, anyway?) but I'll try. The actual days for the pickle fest are Sept. 10 and 11 but I'm sure they have little odds and sods of things they do leading up to it. I'm going to talk to Brian tomorrow (Friday) about what he'd like to do (only) for the postcard. I suggested taking a few images he's already created for the Pickle Festival and popping them into a framework for a postcard. I'm sure you've seen these companies that have one postcard page with 6 images on it, that sort of thing. As an added bit of interest, I ask Glenn Allison if we could shoot 3 pictures of stuff from the current show at the art gallery. He agreed. So I'm thinking 3 Pickles and 3 Art Gallery pics on a postcard page. Nothing more. Give me your thoughts on how involved that might be for you to create. I'll work on more details. From 11:45 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. I did nothing but talk to people. I also talked to Nancy MacLennan. h From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 17:46:32 1999 To: Dave Voorhis From: Heather Subject: Re: Proposal - Pickle Postcard Web site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <19990902214422.13994.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990902112957.009171f0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901182216.00922e80@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901141310.009243d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901141310.009243d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990901182216.00922e80@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902112957.009171f0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: At 09:44 PM 9/2/99 GMT, you wrote: >Heather writes: > >[pickle fest, nusked] > >Well, if you think this will lead to something positive (i.e., revenue) >I'm happy to give it a try. The thing is, as always, Dave, I'm a little clueless as to how entrepreneurial this bunch in Brandon is. I'm simply starting 'SOMEWHERE' and seeing what happens. I could have JUST as easily continued on my own path (I don't HAVE to do this Pickle bit - but it's staring me in the face) I figure the work on this SHOULD prove relatively effortless and who knows, in the process, Brian may even come up with another reason to have this booth. Is he a pushy marketing sort or an artist? I don't quite read him yet. He reminds me of Richard. A quiet sort. Am I mistaken? >> So I'm thinking 3 Pickles and 3 Art Gallery pics on a postcard page. >> >> Nothing more. >> >> Give me your thoughts on how involved that might be for you to create. >>I'll work on more details. > >It should be doable, but I'm not gonna promise it 'til I'm done. Remind >me of it as soon as I get back (Saturday eve, most likely) and I'll work >like a mad demon to get it done. Technically, it's all trivial except for >the... [oh and did you know some of the art at the gallery is COWS? We could play with THAT, boy! laugh] Yeah, I hear ya. The thing is.. let's put it THIS way..even if they DIDN'T have the postcard site working, we could run up to the art gallery, grab a GOOD wack of digital pictures, (which buys some kudos from the gallery).. uhmmm... what else could we do... I'll think about that.. oh... we could get Brian to set us up with some Pickle shit (pickle shit? Do pickles shit?) the kids could print out. They could use the booth we've set up.. at Rosser and 10th to print out silly Pickle things for the kids. yanno? But the double bonus (and I SAW the way Debbie Arsenault's eyes lit up at this postcard idea on the "corner of Rosser and 10th") is if you send a postcard to someone NOT at the Pickle Festival... you MIGHT get them to come down.. OR.. you provide an interesting bit of after-marketing when the sender/receiver comments on it later. Hell, I just thought of something. Maybe.. I'll check this with Brian.. we could include this in the message the person sends: Show up at the Pickle Fest with this postcard and get a "buy one, get one free beer" (we'd have to figure out how to deal with duplicates) ... shit.. I should talk to Kevin at the Double Decker about THAT one. What do you think? People dig this kind of shit. I know you and I go.. "huh" but that's not the point. All the shoe stores in the world would be out of business if they had to depend on ME buying shoes. That's why we have the REST of the population for this kind of stuff. >Nah, it's all trivial. Some parts may be a bit time-consuming, though. I dig.. I'm sorting through the Braiden postcard site setup just now to pare down the elements we need. I only want a one size fits all postcard. No font sizes, no font choices, no music, no backgrounds, no textures, just the image and a place for a few lines of copy. Nothing else. We don't want to be ministering to this stupid thing too much. >We prolly oughta nab picklefestival.com, or whatever. I've confused.. are you suggesting this for the Pickle Postcard site? ONLY the Pickle Postcard site? Or something else? >> From 11:45 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. I did nothing but talk to people. > >Frightening. If I tried that, my brain would liquify and drain out my >ears. Understandable. I realize you have a small vocabulary. Laugh. Yes, but what made it COOOLLLL is I didn't plan a single meeting. I went to see Lara, I got Laurene. I went to ask Kevin a brief question, which he couldn't answer and we spent probably an hour talking. HE did most of it which was perfect. He personifies that bar. Laid back. Friendly. Straight talker. And so on.. >> I also talked to Nancy MacLennan. > >She sings, you know that? You guys like similar styles, as I recollect, >though she leans toward jazz. Oh, I'm okay with jazz. I've just never bought many jazz albums is all. I imagine I'd know a lot of what she sings. I stopped in at the Montreal Building after my longer conversation with Laurene (about 6:30) Brian had gone. (I kinda figured that) And talk about luck.. Nancy was there. We talked til ten. She thinks you are a god. She laughed when I first came in as she was JUST thinking about that. (That you were a god.) I guess you'd just done something for her or something. The one damn strange thing is... when I first met her, I couldn't convince myself that this was the same person I THOUGHT I'd seen come to the office. I was expecting a kinda chubby, bright-haired blonde. She was neither. I wonder who the hell I was thinking of. Anyway, we are thick like thieves. She related all her little projects to me and she and I are gonna put our heads together and see if we can come up with a few things. And yes, I know she sings. I'd forgotten the Diane Nelson connection, as well. (that Diane, the writer sings)... Cool. They are both into Twoonies... Heather > >Dave... > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 19:10:33 1999 To: Dave Voorhis From: Heather Subject: DAVE!.. is this dumb? Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <19990902214648.14012.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: I just split this out from the message you sent.. Lord... tell me I'm being dumb here.. please... --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- What else.. Damn there was something.. oh.. I know.. how easy would it be to turn the generic 'structure' of VolunteerBase.. the basic 'design' of fields, forms and database use...etc.. into something we could package and sell as a 'communications medium app.' You could use a "Wizard" which at startup you could: 1. add the sentences/questions being asked to the registrant 2. add the sentences/items/elements being posted/offering for exchange. 3. topics/headings of the forum (okay, you've need to build the forum, it's not ours, like you said) Every little specialty group--- .. like the volunteer agencies look for continuation after dotted lines ----------okay.. I got off track but I'm leaving this in------ ...like the food industry (Kevin was commenting on wishing he could buy special mustards or foods downtown)... what's to say he couldn't create a food consortium where small restaurants collaborated and bought certain kinds of group in bulk, at a better price than if they'd bought it by themselves... like the people used to do buying seed in large quantity as a farmers association. Anyone interested in being able to BUY as an amalgamation of five or six restaurants.. could register for this 'club' and find other SIMILARLY product needing people. It's like they could buy fries in BULK like McDonalds from McCains or something.. only they WOULDN'T be franchises. Over the Moon and Kokonas and Double Decker.. living thousands of miles apart.. could find each other with this similar need and buy food like a McDonald's consortium.. cutting costs.. the way McDonalds must most certainly do. It's like those new HUGE grain elevators near town. Everyone brings their grain/ their NEED for grain.. to the same place and negotiates a price BASED ON that large buying consortium. People could come and go as they please once a deal was made as the idea was, this Web site would be advertised and other people LOOKING for this kind of buying power could come to this Web site and see what deals were in progress. ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- continued from above Every little specialty group--- .. like a 'trade magazine' group (I remember seeing a site that was grouping trade industries.. and delivering trade industry news... was all, I think.. business to business exchange.. but SPECIALTY business) ...Karaoke club - exchanging MIDI or kar files... ...(not QUITE the same idea but people interested in exchanging/selling cars of a certain nature) probably wants a little "package" that they can set up for a 'club' They would say, "JOIN our virtual club.. exchange our special services"... volunteer postings, cross-promotional marketing (no, don't USE that one, that's just an example) coin exchange, postcard/penpal exchange, magazine exchange, little tiny plastic bottle caps liners.. WHATEVER kinds of weird clubs are out there. I'm staring at VolunteerBase and thinking of it as a 'model' of sorts. This model you'd build would offer the ability to: - post one SIMILAR item for exchange (like a volunteer posting) - search for that item - conduct forums for that item It could be a 'club-in-a-box.' Laugh. Maybe a bunch of these offline 'clubs' in town would be interested in such a thing. And of course, it doesn't have to stay local. Look at your Wings list. Yessss.. they'd need Web space as this is a Web.. application.. YES.. there's be special customizations required for some 'clubs'.. so we'd CHARGE extra for that. It's like.. we don't make and sell Web pages.. we make and sell Web CLUBS.. Web exchange SERVICE clubs. And this is MOooRE than a chat community. People are doing business, of a sort. Selling or EXCHANGE communities. Which they can make their OWN rules and regulations for. If it gets big, we charge for more space or services or something (we could offer a marketing service to round them up members) But MOSTLY we are getting each COMMUNITY to draw their own traffic. In some cases.. as I read about the volunteer agencies trying to bring their members online.. we are simply helping to mobilize an OFFLINE group.. ONLINE. ??? make sense? I'm sure this is nothing new, in concept. It's like you are bringing them into the television set and letting them create their own show... ???? I'm back to the idea of a streamlined application that {PERHAPS} we could offer them so they'd have that opportunity, again, to "do their own driving." [Like the banner ad poster utility] Maybe there'd be a way to add-on templates for different kinds of organizations.. they wouldn't even have to push buttons in the Wizard, they could choose a template. I'm thinking.. the same as the banner ad poster utility: One size fits all. It services a simple purpose of enumerating and registering 'members' / provides a relatively simple function [posting a volunteer exchange] and allows a place to yap. Web Networks is trying to make money off a lot of volunteers by OWNING the mechanism and they join WEB NETWORKS club. Let's offer them this simple application for a reasonable price (I wanna sell a thousand at 299 ($299,000) NOT 300 at 699 ($209,700) - yeah but which do you think will take less time to sell? And we've established a broader base at 1000 per 299 and that's twice as many friends they will tell. And we charge for hosting. AND we charge for support. And we have 1000 groups on our site to sell more stuff to. Am I being clueless about something technically impossible here? Let me know. I think I'm probably missing a few points on how this is all done. >> I talked to Debbie Arsenault about helping me. She's in. SHE suggested >>that if I need articles on volunteering to let her know. Cool. > >Groovy! I realize I am coming at these people from a higher level than my USUAL 'I'm a plebe in an office' which I am USED to dealing with most folk from.. but all the people I have met this past day, particularly Nancy.. are VERY amenable people. I'm stunned. Heather From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 23:33:18 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 20909 invoked by uid 501); 3 Sep 1999 04:24:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990903042404.20908.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902191034.0092e1d0@mail.creatist.com> In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19990902191034.0092e1d0@mail.creatist.com> From: Dave Voorhis To: Heather Subject: Re: DAVE!.. is this dumb? Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:24:02 GMT Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heather writes: > I just split this out from the message you sent.. > > Lord... tell me I'm being dumb here.. please... [bignusk] Why do you wish to be told you're being dumb? Anyway, what you're saying here is, why not create a Web site 'generator' for certain types of Web sites, where VolunteerBase is merely an example of a 'forum and postings you search for' site? So that users can pay whatever and churn out these things in a hurry without having to know HTML or PHP or download a buncha scripts? Yeah, that might just work. That might work very well, in fact. I like it. Dave... From ???@??? Fri Sep 03 00:29:29 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 21698 invoked by uid 501); 3 Sep 1999 05:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990903051729.21697.qmail@onramp.armchair.mb.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19990902191034.0092e1d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990831215115.00918de0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902113312.009283d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902191034.0092e1d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990902233950.00925d10@mail.creatist.com> In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19990902233950.00925d10@mail.creatist.com> From: Dave Voorhis To: Heather Subject: Re: Cos I wanted to be DAMN sure is why... Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:17:28 GMT Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heather writes: > Okay. Cool. Let's do it then. Sure. Same deal as VolunteerBase -- design it and I'll build it. Dave... From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 10:19:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 3984 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2000 13:00:12 -0000 Received: from bippo.armchair.mb.ca (HELO bippo) (198.163.115.60) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Jan 2000 13:00:12 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000107070009.03c30770@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 07:00:09 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Dave Voorhis Subject: It's late... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...so I prolly won't be in particularily early. I've been noodling on a silly and useless Web page at http://www.armchairairlines.com/~dave/rules It's not done yet, but the idea is this: What laws and regulations would you put in place? Folks can vote "Yes" or "No" on approximately 50 laws and regulations -- some of which have been predefined, and some that will be submitted by respondents. Over time, peoples' votes should cause the system to show the 50 most & least acceptable rules. I've not finished the voting part, just the listing part. Dave... From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 00:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 12163 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 05:10:08 -0000 Received: from spleen.armchair.mb.ca (HELO spleen) (198.163.115.68) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 05:10:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000206231007.025a92a0@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 23:10:07 -0600 To: Heather From: Dave Voorhis Subject: Re: Music Web site business model In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000206184536.0090ece0@mail.creatist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:45 PM 2/6/00 -0600, you wrote: >You wanted to know if I understood you. Read this and give feedback. I have included the message below, with changes. My comments are in square ([]) brackets: --- The purpose of this Web site is to promote approximately 20 [Is 20 a viable number? If so, how do you know?] talented individuals, groups or genres and generate revenue from it for both ourselves and the individuals or groups. Though initially musician based, we will also consider writing/performance related genres such as spoken word artists. We offer the developing fanbase an experience they will return to frequently. This creates exposure for the musician which should lead to revenue opportunities for them and us. We will search for good, independent talent for the site. The arrangement is non-exclusive. They can do whatever else they want. We are simply providing one more outlet for marketing their talent. The profile we shall seek initially will be 'net savvy' talent. We need people to help GROW this idea. Hand-holding should be at a minimum. We will offer the entire body of work of each talent for MP3 download. All MP3s are free. We use the music like a business card or loss-leader to get customers in the store. We make money on OTHER things. The musicians who sell CDs on our site -- THEY receive the full cost of the CD. (Consider a process where musician is notified of sale and ships the CD themselves.) We sell ads on the site. We share the ad revenue with the musician. We can figure out revenue share and shipping processes on other merchandise/services as we create them. The site can offer any of the following: - ads; - CD /merchandise / related items advertising; - sponsors/patrons - (have a recognition/reward program for these); - music genre education and background; - musician-run workshops/streaming video; - fan surveys, feedback and profiles; - Web page update notification services for major updates; - Web counters - (on each musician's main page, perhaps?) - screensavers - statistical reports for musicians; - musician Web site links; - newsletters; - contests; - guestbook(s) - (could a single guestbook for all talent on site have a filter/search feature for each talent?) - participatory input like Armchair's 'The wall'; - music related applications like the ChordOTron 9000 chord guide - an Encyclopedia of Everything on each artist [I don't know about that... To make it actually useful as opposed to a gag requires considerable technical sophistication.] - business linked promos; - giveaways; - Web flyers promoting specific gigs or the musician in general; - Webring for this business model; - fan memorabilia showcase - fan drawings, letters, fan fiction, concert memories or reviews; - musician-related Web based games; - battle of the bands; - listservs; - chat groups; - live musician chats (with downloadable transcripts available); - live or recorded concerts / webcasts in audio or video format; - chat focus groups for musician feedback; - musician/music industry forums; - general workshops - tips and techniques on music related subjects; - comprehensive musician content like bios, personal opinions, recording techniques, publicity photos, concert dates, concert photos, gig parameters for new bookings - (prices, requirements, etc); - Web-based printout items like stickers, sticker books, musician posters, postcards, music or musician-related comic strips, lyric posters, calendars, notepads, bookmarks, CD covers, tee-shirt transfers, masks, colouring books or projects, and greeting cards; - free musical greeting cards; - other musician creativity (ie. writing, art, physical prowess, hobbies); - useful and music-related links; Thanks for reading. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Wed Feb 02 14:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10897 invoked by alias); 2 Feb 2000 09:28:45 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@onramp.armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 10890 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 09:28:44 -0000 Received: from spleen.armchair.mb.ca (HELO spleen) (198.163.115.68) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 09:28:44 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000202032841.01e2d550@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:28:41 -0600 To: mike,hallie,senator From: Dave Voorhis Subject: This... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...bit of open source might turn into something important. Or it might not. http://www.zope.org From ???@??? Mon Jun 28 09:10:20 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Get back to me on this, please, when you can Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Good morning, Dave When you have a moment, read this... All we can be is what we say and more importantly, what we do. Understood? I'm counting on some input from you. I can't do the applications yet. I can do almost everything else but I'm gonna need some help from you, okay? You in? You want a way to start moving away from a dependence on We Care, here's a small start. I know I can't promise anything but I can promise even LESS if we don't get started on these applications. Okay? Can we set up a meeting to go over whatever new projects you _may_ consider working on? NovelExchange is one. Here are a few more. There are a lot more, obviously, like Escrow and karaoke apps. This is a start: 1. Auction -- perhaps adding some more elements to the current application, particularly the ability to have a separate special auction that people could use for specific purposes like a charity auction or a school fundraising auction. And a flash auction feature could be good too. A flash auction is an auction that is run and closes in a 24 hour period. Oh and set up.. if it's not already there.. a facility for placing ads on each posting page or any number of other spots on the auction. http://www.firstauction.com is classy. I'd eventually love an auction application as classy and full featured as THIS one. 2. Postcard and gift site - E-greetings does this. http://www.egreetings.com I think it's a good extension for merely a postcard site. I can use my 'suppliers' that I get from wherever for the products offered as gifts. But I also would LIKE a postcard site that is as full of functions as the E-greeting one seems to be. This is where we start putting your photos. I'll start taking photos too. And soliciting photos and artwork from other artists. And I'd STILL prefer that YOU create the postcard application versus me going to a site that offers these 'affilitate' applications. 3. Online store - I realize we already HAVE the mechanisms for this. I've previously mentioned to you the idea of having an online store where WE source suppliers to provide us with items for sale. And I'd like to try an auction feature with that as well, perhaps a 'flash' auction. Selling products by auction is also a good way to draw interest to an online store. My plan is to create a number of categories of Web sites. I plan to do the same with an online store but I will start with ONE department-like store for now and look at creating some Web sites based on niche markets. We will sell ads and solicit content for all these sites. The long-term intent would be to get all the people we approach for ads or content to let us build them a Web site. I could approach ALL stores and artists in Brandon and surrounding areas to ask for product and the chance to do a 'supplier profile' for the online store. I want to to offer surfers an 'experience' of what the business is selling and what it might be like to visit their store plus some experiences that only the web could offer. We could create the content for this, take pictures like reporters or photojournalists collecting information for an article. The content could include: the owners telling about their business;(from THEIR point of view - business marketing) maybe some background; stories about the staff and owners; reviews about their products; discussions of their work philosophy; why they are in business and other things that I haven't thought of yet. We want to make the online store Web site 'sticky' so surfers will stay at our site longer and return for new content. We want to entice stores to market their product with us, be it by ads, customer profiles/contact pages or separate Web sites. The difference is we set this info up on OUR online store. That means, to a stronger extent, WE control the content and aren't waiting on THEM to decide what they want to put on it. Think of the reviews I showed you. The author provides the content. If the content isn't there, it isn't there because WE were lax, NOT the supplier. This may solve ONE of those problems of chasing after people to supply US with content. WE create the content. We maintain the site. (as it's OUR site) We keep working on them to buy in, of course, be it ads or more content or a separate Web site that we create, host and/or maintain. http://www.gardens.com does an excellent job of this. I could do even more in that realm. Instead of a review, I'd create a 'Bestviewed' profile on these companies. Yes, it's like doing a bit of a web site for them .. on spec.. But it serves its purpose for OUR online store by attracting surfers and shoppers.. AND it gives the store owners a taste of what we could DO for them if they could ever BE convinced of an online store of their own. And we could STILL sell their products even if they GOT an online store. And the last thought is offer to sell them ADS on THEIR profile page. That puts the onus on THEM to buy in.. to see the value of the web site... to make a short term committment.. leading potentially to MORE ads on other parts of the site.. AND eventually perhaps them asking us to build them a separate web site.. Meanwhile, we start to make revenue on selling ads and a percentage on products. I think that's a good plan for an eventual buy-in. You mentioned how the content providers believe THEIR stuff is more important than the ads. The advertisers think THEIR stuff is more important than the content. If we have the advertisers place ads on THEIR profile page, they become one and the same person. Get back to me when you can. I didn't sleep much. I'm going back to bed probably. Heather From ???@??? Fri Jul 02 01:36:34 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Heathcare I.T. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I was rooting around on your desk, looking at some of the mail and magazines and I noticed an article on 'The healthcare industry finally getting plugged in'. Is there anything in that area that owing to our background with We Care, we would be able to get in on more readily than most companies? I know there are a lot of things we HAVEN'T created for We Care. Wouldn't we be able to do this as a separate project and sell it without a conflict of interest from We Care? Our contract states we can't sell Wizard. It doesn't say anything about us creating other HEALTHCARE software, unrelated to the Wizard program, does it? It would be NICE to be able to put your knowledge of the healthcare industry to use in something else, if possible, wouldn't it? They've mentioned a few things: "information-intensive electronic document management; sharing patient information similar to the way the Interac banking system shares personal information about finances; advanced clincal support capabilities to help them make better and more cost-effective treatment decisions; knowledge-based systems that assist the physician in prescribing medication." Let me know, okay? I'm gonna check a few things on this. Heather From ???@??? Sat Jul 03 17:38:07 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Owing to my OWN frustration, I thought of this... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: What about a search engine with only Brandon area web sites on it? Anyone could list their web site for free and if you don't HAVE a web site, well of COURSE we could set you up with one. Har. We'd offer the search listing for free of course, same as Altavista. And if people like it, we could take the idea to another town as well. You have to admit ONE of the reasons for SOME people holding out on Web sites on the internet is them saying, "all my business is local and always will be." (ie. a hairdresser, a gas station, a body shop a dentist, a shoe repair, a guidance counsellor, an accountant) So we go head to head in competition with all the other local places that offer advertising for local business but since we aren't paper-based, we could charge less. (I think) I'm sure I will have to look for DAYS if I ever want to find every web site for Brandon on search engines like Altavista. Not every person who has a web site, personal or retail, is gonna mention the word 'Brandon' in it. And for a potential retailer in Brandon to KNOW that his potential onlookers are just up the street and could walk into his story MIGHT be an added enticement for the holdouts who still don't see the point in having a Web site. Their argument is THEIR customers are local. So have them ADVERTISE to the locals.. With a local search engine and local ads. I noticed that Altavista has ads on its search page. (Duh..) It also has keyword advertising that can be bid on by automated auction. Just pop in your credit card and away they go, I imagine. And we're back to that market value for product idea again for the ads. I LIKE that. Don't you think a Brandon retailer MIGHT just periodically buy an ad or keyword ad on a BRANDON area search engine? The main word being 'periodically.' They don't have to get into this thinking that they have to BUY something every month. That's what ANYONE wants. The ability to choose.. when and where and how often.. to advertise.. Same goes for people who shop, as YOU well know. ---------------- and... after going for a shit.. laugh. ---------------- Why not have a personals for Brandon as well? Do you remember when I mentioned Linda's idea of a cyberbar? The idea was to have a bar/restaurant with computer terminals. You sat at the computer terminals.. while the bartender or restauranteur was plying you with food and drink... and talked to the people in the bar/restaurant.. on your computer... If you wanted to meet, you could.. the person was right there. I know YOU are always saying you prefer the idea of being on the internet and talking to people from all over the place but never actually meeting them. For you, that's the beauty of it. You can say or be anything you want, per se. But SOME people, I think, would also be interested in talking to people and having the option to meet them.. just up the street. Talking to people and having nothing come of it but more and more talk or.. has as happened to ME, of course.. they simply wander away -- gets a bit boring after a while. It's not to say that doesn't happen in real life too. There are no guarantees. But _I_ think, there might just be a group of people who are out there using the internet quite regularly, who believe and want the same thing. Empty calorie relationships.. be they on the internet or in real life.. are STILL empty calories. They fill you up, but not for long. hallie From ???@??? Mon Aug 30 14:18:46 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Proposal Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Proposal for ad poster utility and digital downtown directory Background ---------- We need to take control before someone ELSE does. This is a small, hopefully inexpensive start. We could start it immediately and take pictures for the page entries once the camera is here. I can talk to the BIA right now, if this is approved. We want to "put a face to each storefront" by providing a picture of each business/building and perhaps its occupants. A one page entry will also include a standard address/phone/fax/email/Web site link listing. Nothing more as this is provided for free. They pay later when they use the ad banner poster utility. This could become a web-based format where the participants add/update this info themselves. We would be able to do this for all cities and not have to worry about data entry. You mentioned a dynamic directory once for We Care. That kind of idea. We want to create a COMPLETE digital map of the downtown. A basic start for a Smart Community. We use the ad poster utility as the central infrastructure. The ad poster utility will make us the money to support the site. This site will be used to promote Brandon to the world. We will seek ad sponsorships from the tourism, industry, and government agencies. We will do this for other towns as well once we've established the model for this concept. We use the downtown core as a starting point. We seek a buy-in/validation from the BIA (and other agencies involved with promoting the downtown). They can help promote this idea. It should fit right in with what they do. We will seek tacit permission from everyone for this site. It costs them nothing initially - perhaps a twenty dollar donation to the BIA which has a fund for supporting the downtown, I believe. What is it? ----------- An ad poster utility that people can use to create and post their own banner ads. It will have a number of components. The first component will be a digital downtown directory. What is a digital downtown directory? ------------------------------------- A _complete_ web based, database-generated, with picture, .php listing of all the buildings and businesses in the downtown core. (Similar to what was created for the McKenzie flower records.) Note: I realize the downtown is becoming a ghost town but that's not the issue. The issue is to create a COMPLETE digital building map of an area. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Implementation - (upon approval) --------------- 1. Objective: Create IA documents for this project ------------- I will design an IA document, if needed, for: - the one page layout for the digital directory web page - the database elements required for the database that will be used to generate web pages - the web site basic graphic structure - the banner ad poster utility 2. Objective: Create the required database structure ------------- You will create the database needed to data entry the digital directory data. 3. Objective: Create the Banner ad poster utility ------------- You will create the banner ad poster utility. 4. Objective: Set up the initial Web site ------------- I will create graphics and the basic setup for the Web site. 5. Objective: Obtain pictures and data and input it into the site. ------------- Both of us will take pictures of the downtown core. They must be excellent that's why I include you in this step. I will gather the required information and data entry it into a database. 6. Objective: Discuss promotion best practices with downtown agencies ------------- I will talk to: The BIA - they may provide the best approach to take toward the businesses. Chamber of Commerce Local government tourism agencies (if there are any) Rural development Planning departments, City Hall Real estate agents and boards (for information on the empty buildings) The Rosser Ward board meeting in September 7. Objective: To obtain tacit permission from all participants ------------- I may go door to door or circulate a promotional informational flyer notifying them of the plan to create this directory. 8. Objectives: Obtain governmental level sponsors for the site -------------- I will talk to the same agencies about paying sponsorships for this site. I will keep it on a high level at the moment. Anyone in business, etc. can simply buy ads 9. Objective: Promote the finished site ------------- I will create promotional material or pound pavement or create venues to promote this banner ad poster utility. ------------------------------ I'm sure there's more but that's a start. Now, I've wasted enough time on this. Now I work on the VolunteerBase testing. It's 2:18 p.m. Monday August 30th. Heather From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 11:06:21 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: You better be around.. I'm gonna go talk to Lara about this now.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I had expected to hear from you today. I am going to go talk to Lara. I have another component/web site to add to this digital directory. A cross-promotion exchange. Businesses who are operating on a shoestring (We could call it Shoestring Business Report) often look for other businesses to collaborate/share the costs on cross-promoting their products. This cross promotion can take many forms. It can be something as simple as a tacit agreement to steer flower customers to the cake baker and cake customers to the florist. It can also involved sharing the costs/promotional information on a flyer, coupon or contest. One person provides the prize one time for the contest, the other provides the prize the next time. It's definitely something that is being used or should be used more often between startup home-based or other kinds of business. Here's my idea: a cross-promotion exchange The same way, in Toronto, people were using the internet to find carpool groups, we could offer a free communication service (like NovelExchange) for businesses who are seeking someone to cross-promote with. They could provide a digital photo album (which we could create, if they wish for a fee perhaps) of their best work. We would set them up with a database entry that includes who they would like to collaborate with and what kinds of deals they have thought of to offer. We could source MORE of these kind of shoestring budget ideas and create an informational source of content on starting a small business. We could seek content provider experts, business and government feature sponsorships (have a column featuring a particular aspect of a business and the business or government group who be solicited to sponsor it for a fee) We could solicit advertising from all the businesses who provide service or business to to small business, among others. I'm sure there's other stuff, I just thought of this last night. We could incorporate this database in some way with the currently planned database so there's no duplication of information (ie, add another element to the digital directory that includes fields for the above ideas: business photo album, who I'd like to collaborate with, what kinds of collaborations I'd like to do, etc. From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 14:13:10 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Proposal - Pickle Postcard Web site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I know you haven't approved this idea but I checked it out with the involved participants and they are interested. I was looking at a BIA newsletter and it suggested if I had ideas about the Pickle Fest to contact Kevin Smith of the Double Decker. I went to talk to Kevin and had an interesting conversation about the state of the downtown and its need to promote itself as a destination place. Definitely someone to collaborate on a few things. Anyway, the simple idea was to create a digital "Pickle Postcard" to draw attention to the Pickle Festival. He said he didn't know much about computers and to talk to Laurene about it. I said I would. Since I knew IMG was working on BIA projects, I went to Brian at IMG to ask him if he was interested in collaborating on setting up a Pickle Postcard site. He said yes. He said they could possibly even have a booth downtown out in front of his place where people could come and use the Pickle Postcard site to send a postcard to a friend. I need you to build the postcard utility. Tell me if it's possible to do. And how soon. Sorry to be asking people before I check with you. Hope you like this idea. Brian can supply the artwork. We DIDN'T discuss any costs (if any) The presumption here is everyone donates their services. I figure this is a simple deal to help promote the Pickle Festival and IMG and Armchair Airlines and creatist.com Let me know. Heather From ???@??? Mon Sep 06 17:38:44 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 24342 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 22:33:35 -0000 Received: from mylittleserver.com (HELO server.mylittleserver.com) (root@207.252.75.15) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 22:33:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (IDENT:apache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mylittleserver.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17146 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dave@armchair.mb.ca Message-Id: <199909062233.SAA17146@server.mylittleserver.com> To: hallie@creatist.com Reply-to: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: Perl Powered Socket Mailer Subject: You have a virtual card waiting for you! Hi, Dave Voorhis stopped by my site, BigNoseBird.Com and created a Virtual Card just for you! To pick up your card, simply point your browser at the page listed below. http://bignosebird.com/cards/sep6-5718717136.html The card will remain on the server for about one week, so please print it out or save it as soon as you can. From ???@??? Sat Oct 02 23:12:17 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Fixes Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Here's a collected list of stuff you asked me to remind you about. Some items you've said to wait til later so don't worry about those. I'm simply pooling everything on one email for us.me. -----Activate the email account for Nancy McLelland. Repeat of items from VolunteerBase ---------------------------------- 1. I don't want to GIVE agencies outright control over what categories to add. We'll end up with a different category for each agency But I think, upon registering, there should be a field to 'suggest' another categories and to let me know who it's from so I can figure out what to do. 2. How will the application respond to an near or exact duplication of an agency? Say, some FOOL enters a registration for their company and uses THEIR name and some other one does the same and uses THEIR name. I'll end up with two accounts, won't I? - (Do something later on.. you said) 3. I know that when I delete the organization registration, all the volunteer listings are deleted. Before this deletion is processed, could we put a caution message in place for this function that says, "You are deleting this agency and there are still volunteer openings posted. Are you sure you wish to continue?" If an incorrect agency was selected for deletion, this would prove annoying. 4. When scrolling through the Admin page looking for organization names, it's a little hard to see the delineation between organization entries especially as the grouping STARTS with just the word 'active.' Is there any way for this to be more clearly delineated? 5. Should I be able to search for the word 'petting zoo' in the search function of the forum? It returned nothing. I searched 'Dave.' It returned nothing. Am I searching incorrectly? 6. The emailed link isn't working for any of the URLs. Just so you know. Each email you receive has a clickable underlined URL that, then clicked, will take you back to the Web site. It's not working. (this MAY be the same point as number 7) 7. Phorum writes: > This is an email I received of a thread from the Phorum. > > I clicked on the URL below and got a 'file not found' message. Is this URL > supposed to take me to the phorum site and to the posted message? > > http://www.creatist.com/VolunteerBasephorum_read.php3?num=1&id=7&thread=6 - Oops. I didn't see this before. That's a trivial configuration problem (there's a missing '/'), but I'll have to fix it when I get back. Dave... From ???@??? Sun Oct 03 02:04:13 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Notes Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I was digging through notes for VolunteerBase. This idea below would be good to have: Email this addy to a friend From ???@??? Fri Nov 19 20:29:08 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Ideas...incomplete.. not completely verbal... enter at own risk.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: A musician's network. Technical advice. Advice for care/feeding of special brands of instruments. A musician's touring network. A Web site that will upload and circulate the posters/advertising of out-of- town musicians especially for flipping towns like Brandon who are too STUPID to post posters for the out-of-town bands ergo reducing the audiences every damn time for a musician. Keith mentioned Kenny Choy not advertising for a fairly major act. He had a throng of people in Winnipeg the night before and the next day at the loft.. the turnout was pisspoor. You could only get tickets at the Keystone Centre and the only way you could get tickets one week at the Keystone was PAY flipping admission to a fair that was on.. to get to the ticket office at the Keystone Never MIND how little press they give their local bands. Keith said he suggested to the Brandon Folk Music group.. RIGHT OFF.. to go after Simplot and to go after Maple Leaf for sponsors.. Did they? From the sounds of it.. at the time.. they did not.. Are they nuts? Carpool exchange for musicians. Split cost of gas for groups traveling in the same direction for gigs. Special cross border gigs for musicians. Insurance.... Hostels or special motel/hotel discounts for musicians. Special food services or laundry services..Business class. Musician class traveling. Web site contest where audience chooses the acts that will play at a venue. I'm dribbling out ideas. If you don't understand something, don't worry about it just yet.. okay? THIS is why I wanna talk to people. I'm talking to this musician on the Web and he's giving me ideas. And talking to Keith today helped to. And I talked a little earlier to Murray Evans. He also mentioned the lack of advertising by venues. Are they nuts? H From ???@??? Sun Sep 26 20:56:18 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca, senator@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: per your second note... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: A suggestion was made once about us checking into hiring an agency who learns our software (okay.. a We Care manual being available is a problem...but there must be a solution to that element) and having We Carites calling a 1-800 number and having THE AGENCY handle technical support. This is done for a fee or perhaps a per call payment system. I understand Winnipeg has been getting into this kind of service a lot. Perhaps there is an agency in Winnipeg that could handle this. I don't need TWO people driven insane by We Care. I think Richard might agree to that point. Splitting the madness isn't gonna make the madness go away. I have started a network of connections in Brandon who are pivotal to even more connections -- traffic-wise and eventually ad-wise which has been my intent from the outset. As you sound like you still want to do the 'web thang' I will continue enlarging this 'circle of influence' to use a buzz phrase. I still need content before I start selling ads on some of these sites. Some content will come from us. Some will come from others. We need to get people to be involved/interact on these Web sites. One of the reasons I feel Bryan's site needs help is he expects to provide nothing but information. People want interaction, not just information fed to them. If I can get a company like Casteleyn's interacting with me on a peanut butter and chocolate Web site, I increase the possibility of enticing THEIR market which happens to be a very large one. That is what I am doing. I am not building free Web sites for specific customers. That gets me back on that old annoying tract of having to cater to one companies wishes. The pro bono picklefest site doubles as a 'toe in the water' with the BIA who are networking with the downtowners. I want that market's attention. The sites I am building will be themed sites for a number of 'related' companies or businesses. This also removes that nasty question of asking each company to build them a Web site which they still can't see the value in. I will show them the value by creating a Web site they get INVOLVED with but do not control. They have to see the value of the Web before they will use it. Bryan is having the same problem. Twoonies is the name of the site but it will expand to ALL music venues and perhaps entertainment venues in Brandon. The idea is business-to-business or enthusiast-to-enthusiast. Picklefest is one example. It could be expanded to a downtown related site that discussed and suggests new venues that could be created for the downtown and other areas. There is also a sponsor contingent of that festival already that could be talked to about ads or sponsorships for next year. (or ongoing.. if I can turn that site into more that a two day item) I would really like to get going on the digital directory. I would really like to finish off VolunteerBase and get it out the door. I realize time is needed for these new applications I have suggested.. particularly the ad poster utility. These are some things it would be great to base a 'plan' on. If the digital camera is available, Derek and I can start combing the downtown area getting info. It would be nice if this data could be placed in a database that we could tie into the ad poster utility and that we could manipulate in numbers of ways for people who want to do queries. An additional element might be a good idea to add to the basic (not being paid for) digital directory entry - information on what services the company provides. Yes, that would then require me talking to each and every business. But I do think this information would be good to provide. It would offer even more information to be searched and queried on. Let me know what you think about that point. Heather From ???@??? Sun Sep 26 21:23:13 1999 To: dave@armchair.mb.ca, senator@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: An idea Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Oh yes.. new subject. I want to build a Web site called festival. This Web site could contain information and added info on each upcoming festival or whatever (with ads from sponsors and businesses) in Brandon and it could also be used to discuss the ideas floating around for NEW festivals or whatever. Most festival Web sites go up and then come down at the end of the venue. Some of the bigger ones.. like the Montreal Jazz Festival.. do not. Part of this idea dovetails with the Picklefest idea of having businesses discuss new festivals and venues for the downtown. I have talked to a number of people on a number of subjects. They keep wondering why 'we don't HAVE one of this festival or the other' in Brandon. These people could provide needed resources for its creation. We use a Web site to publicize it. (Among other places) We sell advertising. We could even CREATE a festival or two, ourselves, and get people to come to it. After all, we ARE across from the park, for starters. A Book Fair to coincide with NovelExchange. I like the idea of noon-hour concerts. We might be able to create some kind of venue-pass for a number of venues or something like that. Nancy of BPH and Donna of the Folk Music Society could do the bookings for an assortment of talent. Donna is also coordinator of Touring Artists Network in Manitoba. Mark Anderson is involved with YFC which currently books acts for on Solid Grounds, a weekend coffee house/entertainment venue. Ken is involved with a lot of bands as well. I'm sure there are others. It doesn't even have to be music. The Art Gallery could have a sidewalk art venue (we used to have this in front of City Hall. I forget what it's called) Or even business. We have the makings of organizing conventions or something similar. Just a thought. I talked at length to Bryan on Friday about how we might collaborate on a few things. I feel this is a good idea on a number of levels. We end up NOT duplicating efforts. We all build in our strengths. He is into creative. And this is definitely what he wishes to focus on. We are into programming, for example. Each should be allowed to shine and potentially help the other. When Bryan looks good, WE look good. If he's not into databases, we cover that area. One thing Bryan seems to wish to stick with is 'providing information.' A lot of his business is providing travel guides and city, event and accomodation.. 'overviews.' As he once related to me, he is not as interested (presently) in the event 'after the fact' (ie. he didn't want to cover the Simplot open house.. he just wanted to advertise it being there. If we can help on a certain level with Brandon.com getting traffic (ie. link exchange on our Web sites) we can draw on the traffic that Brandon.com may already be getting. I keep checking out places that already HAVE a lot of traffic (ie. Casteleyn's.. Brandon.com.. Evans Theatre) This is the market we start with and build on the existing Web surfers. H From ???@??? Thu Sep 23 22:42:13 1999 To: Derek and Victoria From: Heather Subject: An idea... Cc: Nancy, Bryan Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I've been washing walls all day. My brain's had nothing better to do so I thought of this. Okay, how about this? Sooter's wedding gowns are going out out business. Vikki, (Derek's wife, Bryan) says the prices are not marked down as much as they should be and a lot of the better stock has been taken out of the store but no matter. We might ALSO talk to other nearby clothing stores like Cinnamon Tree, Lonesome Dove and I forget the name of that nearly new lady's clothing shop... and ask them to go for a major sidewalk sale or something. We might even consider having this activity on only one day or two days and measure the reaction. A digital sidewalk sale. laugh. This promotion is an opportunity to show if there is any power in the Web. We MAY be able to tie something money-wise into it but I haven't thought of anything yet. I will suggest ONE element that would be good for Derek in a moment. But since this store won't be open for much longer there's not much chance of us whipping up something that Armchair or anyone but Sooter's can actually make any money on. Unless you guys can think of anything. But I still think it is a powerful example of how you could direct people to the Web.. to a Web site, per se. Which I still feel is our biggest hurdle in all this Web stuff. And like the _process_ I went through when I put those logos on the Collaborators invite (after we sent the invite in a sense) it will give us a chance to go through the motions. I learned a few things and thought of a few more ideas to promote Casteleyns and Marquis as a result of going through that exercise. Dave's comment is "what makes them want to come back to the Web site after this activity has been done once"? And of course, he's also saying "how do we make any money on this?" True. But it still may be a good exercise in _process_. ---------------------- Go to Sooter's. Ask them if they would be willing to collaborate in this idea to help get people in their store, trying on dresses. Women often tend to follow the idea that when they come out to try something ON, they are closer to considering buying the item. The thing is to get them IN the store trying dresses on. Here's the idea: Advertise in any newspaper, including On! Brandon, Bryan (Sooter's should do this, it's gonna be sales for THEM) that Sooter's is offering a "Bride for a Day sale." Customers could go to the store, shop til they find a dress they like or would at least be willing to try on and you, Derek, take a digital picture of them in the dress. Emphasis on digital picture. No film. No cost but your time. The draw is: whether you are anticipating a wedding day or not, you get a picture of yourself in a wedding gown. I sound a bit little a marketing sort here but.... women DREAM of this.. don't they? Wouldn't that be an awfully good reason to want to have this picture taken? And they MIGHT just buy the dress. That's the important point for Sooters. Even if they don't (if they are just coming for the special and the picture.. like buying only the "loss leader"..) no biggie. We are starting to educate them to go to the Web.. and to go to creatist.com. or brandon.com.. and do something. (we'll do some kind of Web site tie-in, Bryan, depending on what we end up coming up with) My original thought was simply to just post the picture.. maybe alphabetically.. or hmmm... they could give us their 'email address' and we could email a notification to them as to where to look for their "Bride for a Day picture. Hmmm..Dave might find THAT a little more interesting. And if people aren't ON the web, we set up booths or something at places that DO have Internet access like Timothy's or that new place.. United across from the bus depot. More stuff for the downtown area. Derek, we'd have to come up with a way to catalogue the file name (it comes up as a number for each digital picture) and the person. [But heck, we'll have to be sure we do that for the digital directory too. Doing it here would be good practice.] For all of that, we could whip up a quick Bridal themed Web site. When I was at the Sooters store today, I grabbed two fat magazines to do with brides (they're handing them out for free). Maybe we could do a quick check with other businesses that sell wedding related stuff.. now THERE might be some ad revenue. But the main point for now is to simply GET people to come to the store, have them try on a dress, have their picture taken, get emailed a notification, (or some way of contacting them) and they come to a Web site to see the final picture. If they want to "save as" the file, they can go right ahead. Or print it out. Hmmm.. maybe we should tell Leech Quick print about this. Could people go to Leech Quick Print and have coloured pictures printed out? Do they do that? Bryan, do you know? Okay, that was the first thought.. here are some add-ons. ONE: Make the "Bride for a Day" Photo a postcard. The person can come to the site, find their picture and email it as a postcard to someone. NOW, you might get the return traffic Dave was talking about. And we wouldn't have to stop at Sooter's. We could try another specialty clothing store and do the same thing.. only... start charging the stores for it. Or do a trade in services.. Say, they buy ads on creatist.com or brandon.com. Hmm? It would almost be like having a fashion show .. only the CUSTOMERS.. get to be the models.. cool. And they get to see themselves on the Web. Two: Advertise Derek as the photographer and set up either new pages of his other work OR simply link to the Web site Dex already has. What do you think about that, Derek? That would be good advertising for you as a photographer. And of course the aside to this is.. Derek.. you think you could handle this photography bit? It might get a little crazed.. Could you handle that? We could either run back and forth to the office downloading the digital pictures you take or bring the laptop and you could download them to the laptop. Okay. I just spilled my brain for the moment. Any thoughts? Heather From ???@??? Fri Sep 24 13:29:34 1999 To: dex@techplus.com (Dex) From: Heather Subject: Re: An idea... Cc: Nancy, Bryan Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <001b01bf06ae$93189080$34ebc8cd@samuel> References: <3.0.5.32.19990923224213.009219e0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Dex responded to my original email and I am now responding to his: >> This promotion is an opportunity to show if there is any power in the Web. >> >Compelling logic, but I have doubts as to the number of young women who >personally have web access. But, you do address that a further down the >message, and of course I'm still listening... Young unmarried women (under 30, say) who have web access? I tend to think that this particular group might even be the bunch who are most swiftly jumping INTO the Internet. I keep coming across Web stats (be they true or not, I dunno) about the Internet's increased use by Women on the Web. (good title for a Web site - laugh) I see this group (among others) as being potentially one of the reasons that ecommerce will find its acceptance. Up to now there have supposedly only been geeky guys (so I've heard - laugh) on the net. I read somewhere that the one of the biggest issues about ecommerce is finding people to see the value in it. Women - young unmarried ones - who like sending little postcards, books and gifts to their friends and boyfriends would be.. IMO.. an absolute TARGET market. Women, potentially by the nature of their tendency to want to 'build relationships' (versus you 'guys' who sit in the corner and watch t.v.. I'm kidding) are gonna be the ones who drive a lot of this ecommerce business. Cos the one thing the ecommerce saves them.. is TIME. And for these women, this is ONE thing that is definitely in short supply for them. And a lot of businesses being run IN Brandon these days -- of that nature -- gifts, specialty foods, etc. -- are being RUN by women. It's a perfect match. As well as marketing to the potential customers of these businesses, we can seek a buy-in from the women who run thse businesses.. themselves. No. I'm not a women's libber. I feel that term has been long overused. But I AM a person who is used to looking at what's available and WORKING with what's available. Another reason I brought up an idea with Bryan about doing Web sites that offer the opportunity to 'print your ad on a teeshirt.' More on that later. We need to engage the people who are selling the stuff as much as we need to engage the people they are selling the stuff to. Women on the Web, in general, really. Women are the epitome of a niche market that have simply not been mined and are only in the last number of years being looked at seriously as revenue potential by large corporations. (Do you know Tom Peters, the writer and new business concept guru? This is something he believes ADAMANTLY.) Well, the large corporations are gonna LOSE now cos all these little Casteleyn's and Lady of the Lake and Sweet Temptations shops are gonna get on the Web and sell their stuff DIRECT to this market. And they'll make a hunk of money on it that they don't have to share.. with ANYONE. >> But since this store won't be open for much longer there's not much >> chance of us whipping up something that Armchair or anyone but Sooter's >> can actually make any money on. Unless you guys can think of anything. >> >Their lease is up in December. That gives a bit off time... Cool. And of course, Vikki said the owner is insane (at least in her behavoiur) so she may not buy INTO it. But while we are thinking along these lines, maybe we can create a 'package' and find a clothing store that IS interested in this idea. Anyone know if there are any other Wedding apparel shops in town? >>Dave's comment is "what makes them want to come back to the Web site >>after this activity has been done once"? And of course, he's also saying >>"how do we make any money on this?" True. But it still may be a good >>exercise in _process_. >> >True. I actually find myself thinking along the lines of Dave, here. How >do you actually attract people to a website without fairly extensive print >or other advertising first? Well, for one.. if we are gonna pursue the under 30s, one of the FIRST places we could go and talk to people is Brandon University. I'm thinking one of mouth on some of this stuff. >On the other hand, this would be the perfect kind of opportunity to >introduce potential users to the Creatist, Brandon.com, etc. websites. >Links, links, links, banners, etc.. More further down on this. True. And I also think the most important thing for all of US right now is to start 'tinkering' with the Web marketing aspect. We need to come up with more ideas for the Web than just, "Ya wanna buy an ad? Ya wanna buy a Web site?" These ideas are good but everyone and their horse is doing the same thing. We need some 'new' ideas to get people on the Web. >> Go to Sooter's. Ask them if they would be willing to collaborate in this > >> The thing is to get them IN the store trying dresses on. >> >Of course. According to Victoria, a number of people are going in and >getting excited about the existing discounts. >A point on the pressure of time: We'd have to get this rolling before >they sell all their 'compelling' stock. Noted. By the same token if we work on this concept with the idea that we have 'unlimited' stock.. that stock might just appear. Maybe even from Sooters, if they buy into this. Maybe OTHER clothing stores as well. Nancy, what's your opinion on the state of clothing stores in the city of Brandon? I've noticed an increase in fashion shows being advertised right now. We might consider checking out the instigators of these shows and see what 'similar' Bride for a Day concepts we could figure out.. using THEIR clothes as well. Brides for a Day could be a limited concept. But perhaps there are OTHER clothes marketing concepts we could come up with of a similar nature that would benefit the businesses we offer this to. This also starts to make this simple concept turn into something we could go around 'selling' to businesses. The original intent of this idea was just to create the process. Perhaps we can take it one step further and make some money on it. If nothing else, we build a "Bride for a Day/Special you in clothes" Web site and sell advertising on it, yanno? Bryan, what percentage would you say, of the ads that you get at On! Brandon are related to clothing stores? Do you see any ideas in this based on your current customer base? MY thinking is that you could approach your CURRENT customers and sell them on something to do with it. It ALSO might lead to more print or creative work for you, in addition to developing components of a Web site or something. What do you think? [Note: I've kept Dex's response in here as I wasn't sure if he was cc'ing a reply that you all might wanna know this stuff below] >> Derek, we'd have to come up with a way to catalogue the file name (it >>comes up as a number for each digital picture) and the person. >> >That's the easiest part. My own photos I index using 2-digit year (2000 >compatibility doesn't concern me, it's just keeping all of one year >together that does), 2-digit month, and filename. My Lucky Star stuff >(http://www.techplus.com/dex/Lucky_Star/index.html) I organised by what >roll of film it was, and exposure or print number. Easier than this is >the following: >Save the shots as they are taken. This avoids losing track of things. >(I'd assume that I'd do something like rebuild my 486 to use on location >or something) Filename would consist of something like >DDdd-tttt-customer_last_name-initials.tiff or something. >It's really just a matter of keeping track. > >> For all of that, we could whip up a quick Bridal themed Web site. >> >The 'lookup' pages should be the most structured. The photo itself is the >easy part - the rest would be links and ads for the services 'we' offer, >etc. This may seem like a no-brainer, but I'd at least like to emphasize >that this use is definitely one of the most important parts of this >proposal. > >> Could people go to Leech Quick Print and have coloured pictures printed out? Do they do that? Bryan, do you know? >> >Leech offers full-page (not full-bleed, but with borders) colour printing >at 1.55/sheet from varous media. They have a Xerox colour copier/printer. >> Two: Advertise Derek as the photographer and set up either new pages of >>his other work OR simply link to the Web site Dex already has. What do >>you think about that, Derek? That would be good advertising for you as a >> photographer. >> >> And of course the aside to this is.. Derek.. you think you could handle >> this photography bit? It might get a little crazed.. Could you handle >that? >> >I like the idea, yes. I'd rather move the entire page, but that isn't >really up to me, IMO. I'm not going to try and twist anyone's arm into >giving me virtually free webspace, but I certainly wouldn't refuse! :) You mean YOUR current web site? Why do you wanna do that? It's just an URL. I'm simply curious. >By the same token, I'd love some advice on how to use scripting of some >sort to display the photos and their indexes. If you could ask specific questions, I could (for starters) run this by Dave. I already asked him about how to solve the issue of clicking on thumbnails to show the enlarged picture yet still be able to display the last (or next) thumbnail. He offered a suggestion. This is another reason I wanna see what Ian's up to as well in this area. As usual, I am scouting for talent on this as much as possible. If we hit a wall on all this Web development, we may require more that DAVE to do everything. Bryan, what all do you have to draw from in terms of people who do programming or developing (on any level - programming, design, scripting) of Web pages. I talked to Mark Anderson. He is from G.I.P. Anyone familiar with him? He's the guy who is doing the Brandonindex.com and has done stuff for YFC. I've mentioned some of my plans to him. He sounds interested in having some discussions as well. The LAST thing we'd need is to come up with a bunch of good ideas and get bogged down trying to implement them do to lack of talent. Maybe we should start checking out what talent is available in Brandon. And I DON'T just mean in the usual sources. We should start checking out the schools around here for all these kids who are creating art and media and 'etc.' in Brandon. >And, of course, some creative criticism by anyone reading this as to >whether my page is 'worthy.' ;) Oh, your PAGE is worthy, we just aren't sure if YOU are. Laugh. Go here. Do it now. http://www.techplus.com/dex/ >> We could either run back and forth to the office downloading the digital >> pictures you take or bring the laptop and you could download them to the >> laptop. >> >I'd prefer to use a computer onsite. I'm willing to move mine or rebuild >my 486 if anyone happens to have a power supply I could borrow in the >instance that this goes ahead. Are you talking about simply using this to process the digital images? You don't mean Web access now do you? Though that WOULD be cool. And if we did this, I don't really think using the laptop would be an issue at all. And it's a nice one. Smile. >This would also mean the possibility of using all high-res shots instead of >limiting the resolution to something that lets us/me fit more on the >camera's memory. Yes. Leading to having better pictures for later. What is anyone's view on how to handle picture use? Should we ask them to sign a release for the picture that we take, etc? Heather From ???@??? Fri Sep 24 14:01:14 1999 To: dex@techplus.com (Dex) From: Heather Subject: Ideas.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <004201bf06b2$68d99ae0$34ebc8cd@samuel> References: <3.0.5.32.19990922233359.00920be0@mail.creatist.com><3.0.5.32.19990923163459.009231d0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.19990924114140.009240f0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: At 12:29 PM 9/24/99 -0500, you wrote: > >> Thanks very much for the scans. They LOOK COOL. > >Oh, BTW, I have no qualms with the poetry to photos idea. Cool! Thanks. >That other roll of film is done, too. I poilshed it off last night and >this morning. >Took Pascal for a walk, and took some (hopefully good) shots of the fall >leaves. Cool. Tell me if you wanna money to develop it, okay? >There's a little park down the street from here (Rideau Park), and I never >noticed before - even though I've walked through it a million times since >ten years ago - but there's a semicircle of trees in there that form a >perfect natural amphitheatre! It's so cool, I just need an event to stick >there. Rideau Park.. I wonder. I know I've done a bit of wandering over that way either on my bike or walking. I'd be curious to know where that is. Well, for starters, we should grab Keith. Maybe he could do something... unplugged.. unless there's electricity. And of course, there's Nancy too. All she needs is a guitar. We shall work on these things. >I don't know about meeting thisaft. No problem. Just a thought. Smile. >Vikki's working until 5:30 again; perhaps if my dad is off early today, he >could take Pascal. Having him present at a meeting would be far too >disruptive, no matter how cute and well-behaved he is. Well, maybe we could use him to pitch a baby Web site. Laugh. Actually, I went to the Brandon mall yesterday and picked up dog and cat product advertising in Walmart. I went into the huge pet store up the street as well as I was making my way back from the Record Baron.. which is now CDplus.com.. did you know that? I picked up Natterjacks and Jesse Hull's albums and mentioned the Twoonies Web site again to the people in there. (Laugh. ACTUALLY, when I first went in, having not been to Record Baron and being a tad clueless as to where it was located.. I thought I was going into a NEW CD store) I was also in Canadian Tire. THEY have a rather pronounced pet area as well. We should come up with something Web related for pets. A good niche market. And to come back to babies, we should do a baby site as well. Did you see the cute pics of the 'babies in hats' -- hmmmm.... another Web site name? in the Superstore circular? Babies in clothes are simply too cute to live. Interesting..... H From ???@??? Sun Oct 03 01:12:47 1999 To: dex@techplus.com (Dex) From: Heather Subject: Debit cards Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <001301bf0d53$a2b857e0$01ebc8cd@samuel> References: <3.0.5.32.19991002173030.0092cb60@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: >>I honestly couldn't say. Logo'd cards, I expect, are EXPENSIVE to >produce,because you'd have to register the numbers somewhere (or get them >from somewhere - more likely).. and also have them manufactured, where >having less than 10,000 made would probably be realyl expensive per unit. That sounds quite possible. You may be right. I will check into this and see. I'm just figuring that there seems to be a lot more being DONE with logo'd cards these days. Perhaps one COULD do a limited run of them. >I'd expect this to be quite an expensive proposition. Not only that, but >without user fees and such it would doubtless be a money-losing one. Noted. >The phone cards would be more viable but also probably expensive to >produce. I didn't actually mean we would 'create' phone cards. I mean, the phone card appears to be a similar concept, is all. And perhaps with the plethora of phone cards out there, someone MAY have been helping to bring the cost down as a result. I will check. If the Chamber of Commmerce can create a 'propersity coin' fo the Brandon area only, there must be things that WE could do of a similar nature. H From ???@??? Sun Oct 03 20:23:53 1999 To: dex@techplus.com (Dex) From: Heather Subject: Getting people engaged in the production process Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <002d01bf0b62$6e592620$cdebc8cd@samuel> References: <3.0.5.32.19990929175522.0092dc40@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Hi Dex I'm trying to figure out why I MISSED some of the comments in this. Replying now... Oh and you have a choice as to whether you read this or not. I'm obviously collecting my thoughts on paper here. Feel free to not read. But if you DO read, please feedback to me any parts you don't understand. Maybe one day I can run these ideas past Dave in a form that he will instantly understand. Laugh. >This sounds like something with too much overhead. Once you takeinto >account the cost of the notebooks, then the cost of the printing, etc. >you'd probably be making -$0.25 when you're done. IMO. Not to mention the >labour/time required to affix labels or covers to these things. Well we could eventually 'direct' people to buying the notebooks themselves and affixing the stickers they can create with their own colour printers. My original idea could simply be used to 'educate' people to start DOING this. We might even enter into an agreement with stores that already supply such notebooks (or other kinds of notebooks) to set up a display to encourage doing this. I feel all the print media stuff you and I are discussing is already out there being created -- the blanks, let us say -- by other, larger companies. I don't want to be in THEIR business. I only want to supply the creative content. Let THEM create the to-be-imprinted merchandise. Let the customer choose whether to buy it or not. (or not.. he could always use the photos or logos or whatever on _whatever_ he wants -- even just on the computer. The main idea is to get him THINKING about DOING this, is all.) I know nothing of processing costs. You are quite possibly absolutely right on the cost and return on creating the notebooks. My thought right now is to 'educate' people to DO these things. And to COME to the Web sites we create to GET the merchandise (stickers, teeshirt transfers, whatever) The main selling point being: we give the customer an option to 'do it himself.' We 'simply supply the content.' As is gonna be the case with a LOT of the stuff we do. And the plan is to save money on creating a million of these things ourselves and having to worry about selling them. Imagine a Star Wars piece of merchandise that they supply the 'content' and the customer.. at their leisure.. creates or pays for the 'generic to-be-printed-on media.' Look at movies. This is why the merchandising that comes out of it 'works.' The PEOPLE are providing the original 'engaging' of the content. It's nothing but pictures on a screen. But they watch it..are enGAGED by it. And seek to repeat the experience or be reminded of it by obtaining the 'printed' media at the toy/record/clothing store. This is what Bryan should be figuring out how to do. Create content for printed media but get the CUSTOMER to print it out. >Yes, transparencies are easily gotten, but not ones with sticky backs, as >far as I know. I've never seen them around here. We'd probably have to >buy them ourselves to supply them. True. And create the traffic on a site that will make a vendor want to STOCK this blank to-be-printed-on media (ie. teeshirts, labels, paper, something else) He makes his money on the basic merchandise. We add value by providing the creative content. (Add value.. hell.. we BECOME the reason the customer BUYS the blank teeshirt or merchandise to start with) And the cool thing about that is.. the merchandise (a teeshirt is a good example) can be of a better quality than the usual printed teeshirt. The vendor doesn't have to pay for the printing of said teeshirt. And he doesn't have to worry about keeping an assortment of printed teeshirts (of different ideas) in stock. Think of all the money and space he saves on having just 'generic' product.. that the CUSTOMER makes the choice of what to print on it. I mean, in fact, this is what MOST stores have. laugh. Granted.. we have to make sure there is also someone doing good PRINTING of these products as well. How to make money? Offer a subscription service for this sticker/teeshirt/photo/whatever content. Look at that screensaver site. Granted.. they are making their money on selling a basic or premium application for viewing, downloading, creating screensavers. But they don't have to buy the computers that the customers uses to put the SCREENSAVER on, now DO THEY? We figure out a similar idea. The CUSTOMER ends up being the one to buy the hard goods. We provide the 'content.' Just imagine if there was a way to turn all those articles on the Web into something people wanna print out and use/wear/listen to/use as a dustcollector/whatever. The only difference between us and a huge multi-national conglomerate is we don't wanna buy the generic product that gets imprinted with the 'content.' I was in the Lighthouse Book store the other day. I don't know why I expected to see anything so different. Just because this bunch is into 'religious' merchandise. They had the same 'generic' products as any store.. even Walmart. They had framed paintings, children's storybooks, teens novels, dust collectors, calendars, CDs, knick-knacks, etc. The only difference being their stuff all had a different flavour. A religious one. All we have to do is create the content. And find a way for the CUSTOMERS to get that content on their generic created objects. Knapsacks, socks, plates, cutlery, shoes, dog leashes. I'm starting to see why screensavers and stickers work. The CUSTOMER is given the choice of WHERE HE WANTS THE OBJECT PUT. And he can change it endlessly. Make sense? I'm in think mode. I'm going on and on. Don't mind me. ---------------------------- Either that or check into some of these paper suppliers (I imagine THIS is where these kinds of things come from) and see what kind of arrangement we could reach. I don't feel the need to go into the paper mill business but I believe that people still want 'things' they can hold on it. Until it reaches the point in time that they are willing to pay us for things we can create that exist 'strictly' on the Web, we need to find ways to make the CUSTOMER the printed media distributor. And I'm thinking.. this, _again_, is something that the companies that get RICH on the combination of generic item and content will NEVER get to.. in fact, it's what will hold them back..just like Bryan wanting money for a basic Web site from every vendor in Brandon, is holding him back from making any money on it.. while WE walk right in and CREATE the basic Web site.. and start educating people as to services we can provide.. value .. we can offer.. to them.. giving them a REASON to come to the Web. Which a lot of them STILL don't see. Imagine explaining to someone fifty years ago the value of advertising on or using the television. That is where WE are, .. right now. ---------------------------------------- Bryan wants the money he was USED to making before.. on the original printed media. Idiots. If we can educate people to make the choice of purchasing the generic item THEMSELVES.. we don't care how expensive that teeshirt or notebook is..we leave the choice to THEM.... WE are supplying the CONTENT.. and hopefully making a tiny bit of money on each new idea or concept.. We will do this by volume.. NOT a big cash cow on one item. It goes back to that original idea we had for creating Web sites. We will have a NUMBER of Web sites.. each with their tiny niche product or special interest group or whatever. And we let the ones that don't work get offset by the ones that do and we create and create and create.. different 'channels or shows' (like a television network) and make our money on the collective whole. -------------------------- We will never be a Brandon Sun. We don't WANNA be. I want to make our money on ideas.. NOT the cost of printing and paper. And SOMEWHERE down the line.. not just by providing adspace for OTHER people who are creating product. I wanna end up with a Web site that has a bunch of ads on it.. for products and services and Web sites.. that WE have created, yanno? Just a thought. ---------------------------- I will see what is available in Winnipeg or Toronto for paper/transparency/label suppliers. I imagine Leech gets stuff like this too. I'll see what Jan has to say about such things. Hell, maybe Leech could even MAKE transparency blanks. Who knows? See.. like your very astute comment about the film industry (who worried about losing audiences in the theatres to the video chains and who now probably make MORE money.. per customer.. on a standard film.) we end up finding other ways for the people who choose to stany 'printbound' -- laugh.. good word.. something else to make money on. >> I've always looked at labels on things. I like label designs. There are >> some interesting ways those labels can be attached these days. >> I'm thinking stickers.. kid stickers.. might be a thing to look at too. >> When the kids come trick or treating on Halloween, we should hand out a >> tiny sheet of stickers. Stickers seem to be popular still. >> >Just keep in mind that at a cost of over a dollar per printed sheet (colour >laser), each sticker amounts to maybe 5-10 cents. True. You mean that's expensive, correct? But then.. howcum those little sheets in the store sell for a buck? Are they making their money based on volume? But long-term.. if we could create the PRODUCT (say a cartoon character like Curt's Prairie Dog Express prairie dogs) this sort of sticker 'direct marketing' would prove to be a rather effective source of advertising don't you think? And it would be ADVERTISING (like a Nike Teeshirt) that people want to hang on to.. therefore having them become 'walking billboards' for our product. When was the last time you got a piece of paper - direct mail that you continued to wear for months and months? And if we were to go back to the Castelyns' concept and create a peanut butter and chocolate character on our 'peanut butter and chocolate' Web site.. Cecile.. who would see the value in promoting our 'Chunky Chocolate Charlie logo' would print off a handful of these logos to stick on the celophane bag she wraps her chocolates it. This is aNOTHER reason I wanna create generic Web sites and have generic marketing for the products. The people in Brandon (all the chocolate stores, for example) can come to our peanut butter and chocolate Web site and download the latest peanut butter and chocolate fillibutter Newsletter with silly stories and ideas and even promotional advice that is EFFECTIVE.. that they could use in their store. Again, I don't pay for paper. Cool. What the biggest issue for most businesses? Coming up with marketing ideas. Imagine a business (us) that offers chocolate store owners a chance to promote their products subtly by allowing us to use their products/premises to create silly peanut and chocolate creations. (Forbidden flavours will be high on my list of people who MAY allow me to do this. I talked to Zita at Forbidden Flavours. She was rather interested in my ideas for this site. And they, like Wing and a Prayer.. are independents.. I don't have to deal with the hierarchy/politics of a chain store) When the site catches on we can ask them to legitimately advertise for a fee (they'll see the value in our traffic and it reciprocally helps to maintain the site which they, subtly, have product on (and it saves them building a full blown Web site and since it's under creatist.. WE will work on the traffic building/marketing aspects of it.. ya see? > >> I was also thinking about using an artist's art -- say, Anne's -- to >print on a carry-out plate or container. (Styrofoam?) >> >Printed paper plates are okay, I think (probably depends on the ink type), >but there are regulations about what can be used when serving food that >would probably eliminate the label idea. Hmm...I'll think on that point. You're right. A napkin perhaps? >> I've only mentioned the scheduling event application to Nancy and Dave. I >> haven't even mentioned it to Bryan. He might presently see some conflicts >> in it. Which he shouldn't really. All Bryan wants to do is have a >> calendar.. basically. I wish that WEREN'T the case. But something I >> should be considers is: He still does a lot of print media stuff. It >>kinda makes sense that he's not spreading out in his interests on the net >>too much... just yet. >> >Conflicts like what? Well.. I would THINK.. somehow.. he's gonna figure that people come to US instead of him to submit the event info. Like we are stealing his content, yanno? But it's not like he's making any money on that element presently anyway. Say, they submit it to both places. That should keep Bryan conflict-free.. now that I THINK about it. But you know Bryan (or stick any name of any company that may be threatened by us 'doing the same thing.') they may feel we are stealing 'their' piece of the pie. MY argument is: they ain't DOING enough for that piece of the pie. They could be doing MORE and helping out the business/venue/etc. But then, people in business don't generally THINK beyond getting paid for their OWN business or improving the content or status of their OWN business. Till me, that is. --------------------- I've been thinking about this concept. Try this: A person with an event comes to us and says 'we wanna submit this one event' We can offer a free listing, just like Bryan. A free 'basic' submission - same as the info Bryan provides on the Web and in On! Brandon -- we stay competitive with Bryan on this score. They could submit it electronically to a Web site and it would be Web apped into our database. If we chose to, we could do NOTHING but this. Like a million other paper-based businesses and Web based accomodation agencies (Prairion, On! Brandon, Brandon University, Brandon Sun) So this info could be part of our entertainment database. It could be searched on JUST like the people at Ticketron do. (Course, the one difference between us and Ticketron would be... we offer listings for ALL venues.. big, small, church socials.. wherever and whoever is having an 'event.' Okay.. so we're immediately one up on Bryan. The venues can be searched in some way. Oh, by the way, I'm not adverse to having Bryan get IN on this somehow. Even if he ends up just linking with us, that's okay. I just know, I can't lead the horse to water if he ain't into drinking water. That's all. I'm being realistic here. -------------- But what we'd ALSO offer is this: A subscription service.. say one week, 3 months, 6 months, , etc... depending on the kind of 'event vendor.' The vendor could list all his venues in a prescribed range of time. That service could also be divided in a number of ways: Example: Basic service ------------- $10 a subscription (say, 3 months.. I haven't thought about the range too much but just for example) for 5 or less venues listed. $20 a subscription for over 5 to 15 venues listed. $30 a subscription for 16 to 30 venues listed. And the thing is, we could further option it by saying: Offer a basic listing service like Bryan's (given those venue totals) Offer a medium listing service that includes one picture per venue with a link to the artist's Web site or info that's been prepared and submitted (we could charge a setup fee if need be) Offer a premium listing service that includes anything and everything. Sound bytes, CD or artist reviews, gossip, artist bios, etc. Again, we charge for special setup. And see HEREEE is where Bryan wins.. if he buys in.. He could CREATE some of the art and stuff. Do you think he'll GET it? It's like that film/video argument of yours again. By the way, what's the future for music, do you think? Given your analysis of what happened to film and video (ie. the film companies ended up making lots of money of video cassettes.. what will the music companies make money on? Dealing with a larger circle of artists? They could help provide marketing advice, promotional advice for 10 thousand artists instead of 10? Hey.. Heather.. GOOD ANSWER) By the way.. we should become producers.. music producers.. you do the sound engineering and we promote local artists/create MP3s or record local live music for MP3/CD sales. We could also act as the filter or find good people to ACT as the filter for the tons and tons of music you mentioned is out there. People are confused as to what to buy? Find, we go collect a swack of artists, get them up on the Web and provide input as to who's who and what the customer's may like. What do you think about THAT idea? >Bryan seems to be so stuck in his medium. I agree with what you said about >him not promoting himself, too. I comPLETELY understand why he's stuck. (see below) He's also like Dave in that way of not promoting himself. He just figures.. "I'm good at what I do. People will come to me." It doesn't WORK that way. There are plenty of Daves and Bryans out there. Yeesh! In fact, Bryan is a guy who shouldn't really RUN a business, IMV. He should have someone BRING him the work and he does it. I know this is what he is probably WORKING on, having teamed up with Leech. But Leech is as entrenched.. if not MORESO in the print world. Hell, all Bryan has to maintain is a computer. LEECH has these flipping great presses and bindery people they have to justify the existence of. AND a crew of their OWN artists. Do you really thing they'll be sending art work to Bryan FIRST? Before their OWN people? I THINK Bryan has connected with Leech for the Web hosting. At least I've heard RUMOURS that Leech is getting into Web hosting. I've yet to see either Leech or IMG advertise. Do you know what's going on in that area? Do you really think they are gonna be able to help Bryan 'get on the Web'? Oh, sure, they will. They'll charge Castelyn's an arm and a leg for the advertising media they create (continually) that will be circulated to the general public to tell them to go to the Casteleyn's site. And if there's money left OVER.. they'll pump it into a Web site creation 'project.' And if there's STILL any money left over.. they MIGHT... THEY MIGHT.. come up with some ways for Casteleyn's to be unique and profitable on the Web. Castelyn's will end up doing this all by themselves. They have a pretty good idea what would happen if they went to Leech for this process. It's like Microsoft and their need to carry forward the components of the previous operating system cos 'well, that's the way it's always been done.' Arghh... LET IT GO!! Let the past ways and ways of making money go.. Find NEW ways.. more effective ways to engage the customer. Imagine that.. every Web customer is sitting in front of his or her computer tonight. You could talk to him/her.. privately.. at the level he/she wants, on the exact interest they have.. And you wouldn't have to spend all that money.. on paper.. distribution.. salaries that related to those things.. Argh.... > >> >>Mr. Risenhoover is currently looking at building out the site to >>leverage X-radio.com's following by providing club listings, chat, >>original content, and a database of electronic artists and music -- in >>essence, to create more of a portal presence than a pure music site. >> >Perhaps we should just go ahead and do this?? Sounds LIKE it, don't it? I would STILL wonder if anyone is already doing this though. Heather From ???@??? Sun Jan 30 20:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27197 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2000 02:09:26 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Jan 2000 02:09:26 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.14]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA582 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:04:41 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01bf6b8f$ab6b6220$0eebc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000130181352.009099a0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: I wanna sing along to the music! Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:05:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather To: ; Derek ; Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: I wanna sing along to the music! | Why don't regular CDs come with text of the lyrics that can be displayed on | the computer for you to sing along with them? Could something be added to | an application like WinAmp for that to happen? | | I'd like that! | | H | | Redbook CDs (standard) have a certain split in their data capacity: part goes to audio data (a minority), part goes to clock and timing data, part goes to the track table (at the beginning of the disc) and indexing information (that info about tracks within tracks). The audio portion of this is something like 23% of the total data. Later revisions (non-standard discs that still allow the 'standard' portion to play on most CD players (a high majority) include CD+G (graphics - including still images and Karoake-style bouncing-ball lyrics), CD+MM (where a first track is devoted to a CDROM area with whatever they want to put there), and several others of similar design/intent. One of the newest is CD-TEXT. It has a tiny CDROM track (like CD+MM) which has only text files with artist info, track titles, and (supposedly) lyrics. Apparently, they're even going to start making home players with the ability the read this data and display some (title info). Until then, we'll have to wait for a new format to introduce something like this. DOCD (digital optical compact disc) is too embedded for such a major change to really become popular, let alone even a reality. MP3 supports embedded title, artist, and lyric information. In fact, you can keep added auxiliary data chunks until they make up more of the file than the actual audio does. I believe there are MP3 players (or plugins for winamp) that support karaoke-style playback. Check for plugins on www.winamp.com. D. ============================================================================== ====== Derek BF Gunnlaugson Photographer / Sound Engineer Visit my online photo portfolio at A+ Certified Computer Tech http://www.techplus.com/dex From ???@??? 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The MusicDish website & newsletter is published by Tag It (http://www.taggin.com) Copyright © Tag It, 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<**>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<**>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 12:33:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 9661 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 18:32:13 -0000 Received: from mo.egroups.com (207.138.41.166) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 18:32:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-talk-return-641-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.126] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2000 18:28:59 -0000 Received: (listserv $); by f8; 26 Jan 2000 18:28:59 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10340 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 18:28:45 -0000 Received: from f56.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.56) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 18:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 84489 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2000 18:28:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000126182844.84488.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.115.130.102 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:28:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.115.130.102] From: "GLENN HARRIS" To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:28:44 PST Mailing-List: contact musicians-talk-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-talk@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-talk] Re: musicians-talk digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isaiah, go to zebramusic.com... lots of info there.... harmonycentral.com as welll G ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WEMedia.com empowers persons with disabilities to build a strong and vibrant community. http://click.egroups.com/1/687/1/_/18143/_/948911339/ -- Create a poll/survey for your group! -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=musicians-talk&m=1 From ???@??? Wed Jan 26 19:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 7425 invoked by alias); 27 Jan 2000 01:23:48 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 7162 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 01:21:11 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@206.184.139.15) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 01:21:11 -0000 Received: from globalvue.com ([209.172.101.181]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id RAA11781 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:16:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001270116.RAA11781@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: 27 Jan 00 01:09:42 GMT Errors: From: "GlobalCast" To: "hallie@armchair.mb.ca" Subject: **Viral Marketing -- GlobalCast for Jan 24 1999** **Brief Update** Thank you all for the recent survey input that was provided. Its been very valuable towards continuing to refine both the larger direction and the evolutionary steps between here and "there". Much of the feedback we received related to providing more hands-on tools and intelligence for building markets and brands around the globe. This has been used to enhance our focus. As we continue to move through both the funding process and the building of alliances we’ll share more of the details. In the interim, thank you again for the feedback. -- Jennie Bettles ================G L O B A L C A S T FOR J A N 24================ These focused GlobalCasts are complemented by the daily global headlines now featured on GlobalVue's web site. S U B S C R I B E ============================================================== To subscribe, please go to http://www.globalvue.com/ To unsubscribe, please send email to globalcast@globalvue.com ============================================================== Viral Marketing - Word of Mouth Enabled The buzz word of the last year and the darling of marketing professionals and venture capitalists everywhere, viral marketing is merely a spin on the age-old word of mouth...albeit a powerful spin. Particularly in light of the massive advertising expenditures we’re witnessing, we’re paying particular attention to efficient modes of marketing. Viral marketing and word of mouth are perhaps the most efficient. * Read the full narrative and the broad list of viral marketing tactics at http://www.globalvue.com * Pokemon - Real World Viral Marketing In reviewing the range of real world examples of viral marketing, few are as prominent and successful as Pokemon. The Pokemon phenomenon, now having reaped over US$6 billion worldwide shows now signs of slowing. Within only 9 months, Pokemon conquered North America using very strategic and integrated media exposure. * Read more at http://www.globalvue.com * *_____RELATED ARTICLES__________________________________________ Shanghai Email Replaces Snail Mail http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndydb/2000/01/d2-2new.110.html Extending viral efforts to those off line, a postal service provider in Shanghai has come up with a way to connect those not on email. For users who have subscribed, the post office prints an email and sends it by express mail. Use of the Internet in China was said to have increased by a phenomenal 324 percent in 1999 to 8.9 million users (China Internet Network Information Center). Source: China Daily Philippines' Free E-Mail Service Launches Campaign To Attract Subscribers, Advertisers Find the article at http://www.globalvue.com The Phillippine’s Pinoymail is modeled after HotMail but clearly targeted to "Pinoys". As of six months ago, Pinoymail had 90,000 subscribers, or roughly 36% of the Philippine Internet user population. Source: Advertising Age Pokemon Fever: Specialty Store A Big Hit In Japan http://jin.jcic.or.jp/trends/honbun/tj000118.html Even after a couple of years on the market in Tokyo, the real-world viral phenomena of Pokemon shows no slowing. Visitors to the Pokemon store in Tokyo often have to wait an hour just to enter. Source: Trends in Japan Pokémon Patriarch http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_02/b3663037.htm Here’s a brief profile of the head of Nintendo of America who is credited with introducing Pokemon to the U.S. despite negative research. Source: Business Week Network Effects http://www.fastcompany.com/online/27/neteffects.html Here’s an article from FastCompany that discusses the viral or "network" effect specifically as it relates to the Internet and borrows from the HotMail example from Draper Fisher Jurvetson. Source: FastCompany Brand Zealots: Realizing The Full Value of Emotional Brand Loyalty http://www.strategy-business.com/strategy/99407/ While we continue to be amazed at just how long people continue to use the New Coke example, this article is an interesting discussion of the most powerful and sustainable form of viral word of mouth -- loyal customers. Source: Strategy & Business Anti-Impeachment Group Finds Success in Viral Marketing http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36cb790c661e.htm Published last year, this article profiles another powerful type of viral marketing, one driven by emotions and politics. In these types of efforts, no incentives are needed as the "cause" is tantamount. Commercial efforts need to be *very* careful using this tactic. Source: DM News / FreeRepublic *_____RELATED LINKS__________________________________________ BlueMountainArts - http://www.bluemountain.com - Recently acquired by Excite for $780 million, we’ve long held these guys out as the model of viral marketing. While they were counted as one of the fifteenth highest traffic web site, according to Executive Director Jared Shultz, BlueMountainArts, has never advertised and doesn’t have a public relations firm. They have instead provided e-greeting cards for just about any holiday, country, or festivity you can imagine and let consumers spread the word. Quite a model! Viral Marketing Explained - http://www.drapervc.com/viralmarketing.html - This article by the principals of venture capital firm Draper Fisher Jurveston (DFJ) provide an interesting discussion of viral marketing and some fascinating insights into HotMail, an early free email provider and into whom DFJ invested. HotMail provides an apt example of viral marketing at its most potent. Rocket8 - http://www.rocket8.com - Take a look at how one of GlobalVue’s partners is providing incentives to a rapidly growing global audience of teens. Just recently launched, these guys have come up with a brilliant model for stimulating word of mouth and collecting intelligence. You’ll hear more about the fruits of this effort over the coming couple of months. NetCentives - http://www.netcentives.com/ - While definitely not alone in the market, this company provides an interesting array of incentive and loyalty programs. A review of their offerings provide insight into the leading edge of web-based loyalty efforts. Pokemon Official Website - http://www.pokemon.com - Looked at analytically, this web site provides fascinating insights into not only the marketing programs behind Pokemon but also the 150 creatures that make up the company’s licensing assets and which will support a remarkably long-lived popularity. Copyright 2000, GlobalVue GlobalVue - http://www.globalvue.com 2201 Broadway, Suite 100 Oakland, CA 94607 U.S. From ???@??? Mon Aug 30 15:10:01 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Karaoke discussion with ... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: >Anyway, back to my karaoke concept. It's a tough sell. Who are the customer segments you're targetting? What sort of music do you think they would be interested in? Would they be interested in your advertisers (you have to match the advertisers with the taste of your karaoke contestants)? But then again, I'm a cynic so don't pay too much attention to my comments. >How to do it.. is the issue.. Do we need to create a Web based karaoke >recorder/player? That means participants need microphones hooked to the PC and some other stuff (can't think of them now). Karaoke enthusiasts should have a karaoke player and a tape recorder so I guess it's best to work on that for now. >So.. any thoughts? Anything you might want to contribute? Again, I ask this >cos you SAID you were into music. I imagine you might have some ideas. My concern, and for which I draw my knowledge on Asian cultures, is that people into karaoke tend to like old songs and ballads which have a small and narrow market for advertisers. Perhaps you may want to focus on some modern ones like Vanessa Williams or even Savage Garden, and add in some singers from the 80's. Definitely no Marilyn Manson and Red Hot Chilli Pepper. Speaking of RHCP, I saw on Japanese TV the recent Woodstock festival. The bass player came on stage totally naked with just the guitar occassionally covering his private part. As for the crowd, a lot of women only had their shorts on. Anyway, the music was too loud and I got a headache not long after the first song. Jeff From ???@??? Thu Sep 30 14:37:06 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Ideas Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: We will STILL talk about that "Bride for a Day" idea. I'm still not feeling very happy yet about TRYING stuff that's wacko. Because of what happened this weekend with Dave. But I DID notice another bridal fashion store in town. We should talk to them as well. Smile. HEY.. better yet.. take pics of people trying on HALLOWEEN COSTUMES!!! Think of Walmart. All those cute kiddies in costumes. laugh. ------------------------------ Something ELSE I was wondering. I wonder... IF Bryan buys into us.. if we could do a trade of services for advertising. Or even take turns ADVERTISING Brandon.com and creatist venues in On! Brandon. Yanno, I really don't think Bryan advertises Brandon.com enough. I still think this idea of a rather static list of info is not great. Argh... Bryan! Oh well.. we can work on that point with him. Did I mention the idea of creating reports based on Bryan's event listings? A lot of events ran on the Sept. 10-11-12. If people could submit their venue dates into some kind of database, they could check way ahead of time as to the competition for that same date. Like Ray was saying, when a particular special event is on, if he knew about it, he might change the theme or the movie he plays opposite it. THAT might be something useful to create for Bryan and his list of dates, don't cha think? There could be an ecommerce site one could use to generate this report perhaps. --------------------------------------- Oh and we have the Marquis Site to do as well. Maybe you could do pics for that too. That is.. if Dave doesn't pull a hissy fit. Smile. Actually, as I mentioned, I want him talking pics. I really do. I just shouldn't have to twist his arm so damn much. We've MISSED some shots because of this tendency of his. -------------------------------- Dex.. I noticed the pic and logo Bryan gave me for Ted Good Music are a LITTLE out of date. He's got a new sign. I saw it today. Mark that one down as a digipic we need. Actually, we should also get one of cdplus.com/Record Baron. We're doing directory pics anyway. I wonder who ELSE sponsors music? I also wonder HOW Ted Good sponsors. Like, what do they do? Do you know? Ya KNOW.. we should get the Evans Theatre or the Film Fest to sponsor a musical event. Yanno? It gets their name out there and we can get into a kind of cross promoting with all these groups. Even one music venue should SPONSOR another. Like Over the Moon should sponsor Twoonies ClubLive. And while they are DOING it, they are advertising their OWN venue. Cool idea, eh? Who else in the music area that you know of sponsors musical groups? Hey. I should go after SPONSORS for all these artists at Twoonies. Doh! Oh, and I also wanna take pics of as much of Anne Boychuk's stuff as we can get our hands on. There is a jewelry store on Rosser. In the window is a tile painted with a painting that has been made into a clock. This is something Anne could do. Maybe not a clock. But medium sized ceramic tile paintings. Interesting idea. Good Christmas item to help emphasis her outdoor work. Oh yeah, and she wants to do linoprints as well. I must remember to talk to her about that. Jenkins Supply has cool ceramic tiles. We should go get her a few. Laugh. The idea is to connect with the people in town who are already 'visible' in some way. Casteleyns gets wacks of traffic. So does Brandon.com. Anne's work is out there ALL THE TIME. I was at the Evans Theatre. We should try to get more acts in that place, if possible. Even movies. Oh and I talked to Ray about a KID'S film festival. I mean real kid's stuff not Adam Sandler movies as Ray related. Think about kid's stuff. That's a good market for Christmas. Actually, think about all "season" stuff. We should do something different for Halloween. ------------------------------------------------ And hey.. can I borrow that thick marketing ideas book? ------------------------------------------------- Do you know anything about either group listed below in this email I've added. Orest Bobei wants pricing and info on building Web sites. He asked me before, actually.. for the second one. With Dave not being around all I've done so far is get a rinky-dink brochure from the guy. It kinda sucks. I get the feeling they don't have a lot of money either. What would YOU suggest for pricing on such Web sites or even ideas? >I am contacting you on behalf of two organizations. One being Redeemer >Lutheran Church & The Brandon/Westman Injured Workers Inc. Both >organizations are not for profit groups and I would like to know all the >information regarding getting your help in developing the two web sites. > >Orest Bobei Oh and another idea: I want to build a Web site called festival. So that would read http://www.creatist.com/festival This Web site could contain information and "added" info and input from enthusiasts and businesses and such on each upcoming festival or whatever (with ads from sponsors and businesses) in Brandon and it could also be used to discuss the ideas floating around for NEW festivals or whatever. Most festival Web sites go up and then come down at the end of the venue. Some of the bigger ones.. like the Montreal Jazz Festival.. do not. Part of this idea dovetails with one of my ideas about the Picklefest site idea of having businesses discuss new festivals and venues for the downtown on that site. It simply continues to amaze me how willing people are to talk to me about ideas. I ask them why they haven't talked to others about it as well. It always makes them pause. Even Ray thinks we need to collaborate in our efforts on all this shit. I have talked to a number of people on a number of subjects. They keep wondering why 'we don't HAVE one of this festival or the other' in Brandon. These people could provide needed resources for its creation. We use a Web site to publicize it. (Among other places) We sell advertising. We could even CREATE a festival or two, ourselves, and get people to come to it. After all, we ARE across from the park, for starters. A Book Fair to coincide with NovelExchange. (And you were MENTIONING that place in Rideau Park....) ------------------------------------------------ I mean, ain't that kinda what Bryan does? Sells advertising around little bits of event filler? Very little, I might add..and it doesn't cost US as much to 'print it' which is how he decides on how much content to put in Brandon.com versus ads. His ads pay for production.. of course. But in actually fact, that makes his On! Brandon little more than the pennysaver classifieds. Why won't he do more? Sigh. Course I KNOW why. He's into designing ads NOT writing stories. Are there ANY magazines made in Brandon? I bet we have enough WRITERS in Brandon. ------------------------------------ I like the idea of noon-hour concerts. We might be able to create some kind of venue-pass for a number of venues or something like that. Nancy of BPH and Donna of the Folk Music Society could do the bookings for an assortment of talent. Donna is also coordinator of Touring Artists Network in Manitoba. Mark Anderson is involved with YFC which currently books acts for on Solid Grounds, a weekend coffee house/entertainment venue. Ken Jaworsky is involved with a lot of bands as well. And I mustn't forget Look Music. I'm sure there are others. It doesn't even have to be music. The Art Gallery or groups of artists could have a sidewalk art venue (we used to have this in front of City Hall. I forget what it was called) Or even business. We have the makings of organizing conventions or something similar. Just a thought. I should talk to Howling Productions or whatever that's called. I talked at length to Bryan on Friday about how we might collaborate on a few things. I feel this is a good idea on a number of levels. We end up NOT duplicating efforts. We all build in our strengths. He is into creative. And this is definitely what he wishes to focus on. We are into programming, for example. Each should be allowed to shine and potentially help the other. When Bryan looks good, WE look good. If he's not into databases or applications, we cover that area. ------------------------------------ When I talked to Nancy tonight, she stressed that she'd talked to Bryan.. I dunno how recently.. but SHE says Bryan feels we at Armchair are his competitors. I can understand that. I simply hope he really wants to collaborate on stuff. We can BOTH help the other, I feel. One thing Bryan seems to wish to stick with is 'providing information.' A lot of his business is providing travel guides and city, event and accomodation.. 'overviews.' As he once related to me, he is not as interested (presently) in the event 'after the fact' (ie. he didn't want to cover the Simplot open house.. he just wanted to advertise it being there. He also mentioned he seems to view what creatist is about is we wanna do entertainment. And Bryan says he wants to do business. I don't think I'm gonna burst his bubble just yet as I have no INTENTION of sticking to entertainment. Creatists are ANYONE who creates.. including businesses. But for now, I will listen when Bryan speaks. I know he (as others) is really not used to someone coming to him and wanting to collaborate. And from some of the things he said, I still feel he is CLOSER to us in his business philosophy than we may find with Brandon Sun or Leech. I want to see that Bryan gets what he wants. And we MAY just convince him to shoot for MORE as well, yanno? If we can help on a certain level with Brandon.com getting traffic (ie. link exchange on our Web sites) we can draw on the traffic that Brandon.com may already be getting. I keep checking out places that already HAVE a lot of traffic (ie. Casteleyn's.. Brandon.com.. Evans Theatre) This is the market we start with and build on the existing Web surfers. H From ???@??? Thu Sep 30 14:42:07 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Ideas Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Idea: You talked about most printouts of teeshirt transfer pictures being rather small. How about this then: Stickers or labels for kids to collect or put on small notepads. A Web site offers covers you can print out for small spiral notepads. You've probably seen these small notepads in 'A Buck or Two' stores. They cost about two dollars. The covers could be pictures we've created, artwork from our artists, or approved-for-use logos of companies in town. (ie. Over the Moon's logo) In addition to offering our OWN product to sell, the idea is to offer a product another company could use for its OWN marketing. People like getting their logo on things. Look at the sports brands and logos on teeshirts. We might even consider approaching an artist who CREATES paperbound blank books to create pads. Though I imagine they'd want more than two dollars. I'm simply looking at two dollars as a price point right now. Five dollars might also be a price point too. A person goes into a print shop to have these printed out from the Web site. They can buy a sheet of the label material. Have you ever seen the clear labels on a Shoppers' Drug Mart one litre pop bottle? The medium is clear and the image is printed on the medium. We might even go THAT route though whether that kind of material is available or useable in a printer, I don't know. I've always looked at labels on things. I like label designs. There are some interesting ways those labels can be attached these days. I'm thinking stickers.. kid stickers.. might be a thing to look at too. When the kids come trick or treating on Halloween, we should hand out a tiny sheet of stickers. Stickers seem to be popular still. I was also thinking about using an artist's art -- say, Anne's -- to print on a carry-out plate or container. (Styrofoam?) When Casteleyn's has take out cheesecake, they put it on a plain paper plate. Why not... offer a service to provide carry out items with logos or artwork on them. Do the product in short runs. Or find a way to have a logo that you could STICK on the plate versus having it printed. They would only have to buy the sticker paper and print out as much or when they want. ------------------ This Midiot guy asking for a little help...it might prove interesting to see what happens. He's put a lot of time into his site. It shows on Alexa as not getting much traffic yet but I just thought it might be an interesting place to start.. in terms of music and such. I haven't mentioned Twoonies to him though. I just said we were working on a music related Web. I've only mentioned the scheduling event application to Nancy and Dave. I haven't even mentioned it to Bryan. He might presently see some conflicts in it. Which he shouldn't really. All Bryan wants to do is have a calendar.. basically. I wish that WEREN'T the case. But something I should be considers is: He still does a lot of print media stuff.It kinda makes sense that he's not spreading out in his interests on the net too much... just yet. -------------------------------- Oh and check this site. They are apparently doing well, money-wise: http://www.x-radio.com/ Give me some feedback on this site. What is interesting is I just read about them in an article Dave gave me. Their music genre is more focused but they are talking about doing the following: >>Mr. Risenhoover is currently looking at building out the site to leverage X-radio.com's following by providing club listings, chat, original content, and a database of electronic artists and music -- in essence, to create more of a portal presence than a pure music site. Taken from this page: http://www.herring.com/insider/1999/0928/feature/news-fea-profit-xradio.html h From ???@??? Thu Dec 02 12:46:55 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Web site content/background Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Keep checking up with the following people: Tourism/art/culture package --------------------------- Lei Anne Sharratt - Art Gallery Zack Gross - Marquis Kimberley - Richardo's Janet Smith - Cuba Tours Lara Thompson (environment) Aeleen Slater - Lady of the Lake Music/theatre/venue posting package ----------------------------------- Kaye Dobson - Folk Festival George Buri - 7 Ages Productions Bill Hillman - musicians Cathy Thomassen - Folk Fest Debbie - musician/Karaoke Ken Jaworski - musicians Eric Stiwich - musicians Dwayne McConnell - marketing Nancy McLennan - marketing Mark Anderson - musicians Hallowed Eve/entertainment package ---------------------------------- Joyce Koke - Country Costumes George Buri - 7 Ages Productions Bill Hillman - Soo's - catering Tammy, Mike - Princess Cafe - catering Colleen - Craft Store - workshops Carol, Jim - Wing and a Prayer Kelly McMillan - Rusty Circle Derek Gunnalaugson - production Lindsay Rystephanuk - Handi Cab - transportation Food/catering package ------------------- Zita Dick - Forbidden Flavours Bill/Sue-on Hillman - Soos Tammy, Mike - Princess Cafe Larry DeVries - Chef's association Richard - The Loft Cecile - Casteleyn's Achla - Kokonas From ???@??? Thu Jun 10 17:24:34 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 1028 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1999 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from baleen.armchair.mb.ca (198.163.115.5) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 20:45:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 16009 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1999 20:45:33 -0000 Received: from onramp.armchair.mb.ca (alias@198.163.115.1) by baleen.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 20:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1017 invoked by alias); 10 Jun 1999 20:45:30 -0000 Delivered-To: creatist-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 1011 invoked by uid 505); 10 Jun 1999 20:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 999 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1999 20:45:18 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 20:45:18 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990610154518.0092a770@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:45:18 -0500 To: creatist@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: [Creatist] Good ideas.. cross promotion of a sort. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-creatist@onramp.armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: creatist@armchair.mb.ca http://www.orvis.com/ We definitely need to be some kind of a marketing company. Here's an interesting marketing strategy. E-greetings, the most recent postcard site I've come across, sends me email with gift information (I subscribed to it).. they offer gifts to go with the postcard.. who SAID the free postcard site wouldn't go anywhere? Anyway.. I click on the URL you see below.. notice.. it says 'egreetings' and it actually.. eventually takes me to the above site. Either it's a company OWNED by egreetings OR it's simply a company that paid to advertise on Egreetings and gets included in their email information. Clever. Orvis has Dad's New Favorite Shirt - at a Very Special Price Give your father an Orvis Cotton Piqué Polo Shirt and he'll want to wear it all summer long. It's pre-washed for softness and among the lightest and most comfortable warm-weather shirts ever. Includes a left chest utility loop to keep your sunglasses handy. Reg. $55 on sale now for only $32! http://www.egreetings.com/m/special_5/cgi/click?PAGE=orvis1 From ???@??? Thu Aug 26 13:06:44 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 20532 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 18:07:01 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990826130640.00929ec0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:06:40 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Volunteer research Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This project has been undertaken in partnership with the Canadian Administrators of Volunteer Resources, the Canadian Association of Community Care, the Canadian Association of Healthcare Auxiliaries, the Canadian Healthcare Association, and the Canadian Homecare Association. The project involves a literature review, a mail survey of those responsible for volunteer management in healthcare institutions, and focus groups. Data collected from each of these phases has been compiled in a final report. Demands of managers of volunteer resources in health settings: Volunteers have high expectations that their own needs will be met There is a need for standards of practice for volunteers and managers of volunteer resources There is a need for distance education and on-going support to looking for greater variety in ways of volunteering Workfare and other forms of mandatory volunteering pose unique challenges in management of volunteer resources Many volunteers want volunteer positions to provide skill-building opportunities More demanding screening procedures required by many volunteer positions increase the workload of managers of volunteer resources It is difficult to meet the support and supervision needs of young volunteers. Trends and issues affecting volunteers and managers of volunteer resources in health care settings: The number of volunteers and the hours contributed to health care organizations have increased over the past five years. As these volunteers have high expectations that their own needs will be met, the demands on managers of volunteer resources are often increased. Younger people who are replacing older volunteers in health care organizations are less likely to seek long term commitments. The increasing presence of short term volunteers results in a revolving door of recruitment for managers of volunteer resources and a constant cycle of recruitment, training and placement. Strategies are needed to recruit volunteers from diverse population groups to work with people with a broad range of needs. Strategies are also required to keep volunteers involved. Feeling appreciated and having their participation recognized are key factors for volunteers in their decision to remain with their organizations. There are differing views on volunteer-staff relations. Some volunteers feel hostility on the part of staff who are concerned that volunteers are replacing them. Other findings indicate that staff are less fearful now about the potential loss of positions because they appreciate the assistance volunteers provide in the current climate of cutbacks and downsizing. Mandatory volunteering has resulted in increased workload for managers of volunteer resources in terms of screening, placement and supervision. The manager of volunteer resources position is critical to the successful implementation of a volunteer program. Approximately 30% of managers of volunteer resources work less than 10% of their time in management of volunteer resources and of that, only 167o are full-time or nearly full-time managers of volunteer resources. Often, the role of manager of volunteer resources is often combined with that of activation or recreation coordinator. However, managers of volunteer resources are determined to further their profession, and to increase recognition for their professional standards of practice and to have more accessibility to a greater variety of educational opportunities. -------------- Before You Volunteer: 15 Essential Questions to Ask a Voluntary Agency What is the organization’s mission? What volunteer work will I be doing? What are the opportunities for advancement and variety? May I see a written job description for my volunteer work? What is the required time commitment of the volunteer position? What is the time period of the position? How will my volunteer work help fulfill your organization’s mission? What skills will I be able to use/ develop? Do I have a trial period? How long is it? Who is my supervisor? What kind of environment (i.e. formal, hectic, even-paced) will I be working in at your organization? Will my out-of-pocket expenses be reimbursed? How is your organization funded? How many volunteers are involved in this program/ the organization? Does the volunteer position require you to run any background checks on me? Can I be sued for any activities I may be involved with during my time as a volunteer here? When can I start? Adapted from the Volunteer Centre of Ottawa-Carleton and the Volunteer Centre of Hamilton and District. ------------------ Before you Hire: Ten Essential Questions to Ask a Potential Volunteer How did you find out about this volunteer opportunity? Have you given your time previously as a volunteer? Why do you want to volunteer with this organization? What would you like to get out of the volunteer experience? What are your interests? What skills, abilities, and qualities do you have to contribute to the organization? How long do you think you would like to be involved with our program? Do you have any special needs? Are you prepared to attend training and/ or information sessions? Are you prepared to undergo screening and/ or a background check for our safety, your safety, and our clients’ safety? Adapted from the Volunteer Centre of Hamilton and District ---------------------- Minnesota Council of Nonprofits and the Maryland Association of Non-profit Organizations, have recently developed 'standards for excellence', which require that their members are accountable for performance in: Mission /Values/Program - a non-profit should articulate its mission and act in the best interests of achieving its purpose. Its programs must advance its mission and be of high quality. Performance is indicated through such standards as a written mission statement, organizational evaluations and program outcome measures. Governance - the board is responsible for determining the organization's mission; establishing management policies; ensuring adequate human and financial resources; monitoring C.E.O. , financial and program results; and ensuring its own effective and ethical performance. Board minutes, by-laws and conflict of interest policies are some signs of governance accountability. Financial Management and Legal Requirements - a charity is a steward of public funds, and must demonstrate sound financial management, compliance with legal requirements and periodic review of regulatory and risk management concerns. Performance may be measured through budgets, audited financial statements and policies establishing internal controls. Fundraising - a charity's fundraising programs should be characterized by truthfulness, donor confidentiality and responsible stewardship, and should be consistent with the organization's mission and respectful of donors' interests. Accountability in fundraising may be shown through solicitation materials, professional status of fundraising personnel and fundraising policies/codes of ethics. Human Resources - a non-profit's human resource policies must deal fairly with both paid staff and volunteers, and establish clear expectations and meaningful evaluations of them. Personnel policies, training programs and annual performance appraisals are examples of human resource standards. Communications - a voluntary organization must be transparent, and make information accessible to the public regarding its mission, program activities and finances. Accountability may be assured through its annual reports and other communications and public relations materials. Public Policy - a non-profit should represent the interests of those it serves through public education, advocacy on public policy and encouragement of public participation. Education materials, advocacy policies and T-3010 information regarding lobbying activities are some gauges of public policy accountability. "I found the discussion paper that the PAGVS did to be very helpful. All my board members got a copy of it, and I particularly pinpointed areas of concern to them as trustees. That's something we'll be taking a close look at [soon],” says Lorna Hillman. The FCN, with limited resources, has been creative in implementing accountability strategies: it has used university students for program evaluations and strategic planning, and United Way volunteers for board development. Hillman encourages that accountability is achievable for a small agency by systematizing it and creatively implementing it. "An easy checklist that says you've done everything that could be reasonably done given our particular kind of organization would be helpful … like David Letterman's top 10 ways to ensure accountability or the 10 commandments of accountability" says Bill Tholl. Until such time as this exists, however, HSFC focuses its accountability around three activities: spending money where it told donors and volunteers it would; spending money effectively for research and education and in ways that minimize administrative costs; and reporting back to donors and volunteers on what it did with the money. Tholl emphasizes that accountability activities should be based on values and should not be complex. To further advance a positive public perception, it is necessary for a non-profit to communicate its accountability effectively. Andre Picard, The Globe and Mail's Quebec Bureau Chief, recently studied the charitable sector on a one year Atkinson Foundation Fellowship. He says his biggest impression was how invisible the sector is despite its breadth. As the only reporter in Canada who covers charities full-time, he is aware of the difficulty charities encounter in having their messages effectively communicated by the media. His recommendation is that nonprofits must grow up and communicate the message for themselves. "Get out there, educate the public and justify yourself. State, 'Here is why we're important, here is what we're doing well, here is what we're not doing well,' and be willing to debate that." Picard reassures organizations who are unsure about this degree of disclosure and transparency. "I can't see this doing anything but really serving the sector well. Comparing the way the [charitable] sector operates generally with the way government and corporations operate, it holds up quite well in terms of responsiveness to the public and accountability for its spending. Charities have nothing to hide, and those who have something to hide shouldn't be in business." The limited resources of the FCN tend to constrain its communication efforts. However, the agency does promote its accountability through its annual report and annual general meeting, and they invite and respond to requests for further information. HSFC places a high priority on communicating its accountability through its fundraising events and materials, its newsletter, and a 1-888 line. The organization is particularly proud of its award winning Internet web site (www.hsf.ca) which posts its annual report and, by June 1999, will include question and answer sessions, and a chat room. Accountable by What Means Warren Dow and Roy Crowe of Volunteer Vancouver, in recent papers entitled "What Social Auditing Can Do for Voluntary Organizations" and "The Other Accountability Mechanisms", analyze several existing and emerging devices by which a Canadian charity's accountability can be demonstrated: Governance Procedures of the Board of Directors - ultimately, the board should ensure that internal mechanisms for responsible management are in place. PAGVS, in 'Caring Canadians, Giving Canadians' recommends key board tasks for ensuring effective stewardship. Government Regulations and Monitoring Agencies - such as Revenue Canada's T-3010 information returns, Provincial Societies Acts, Alberta Charitable Fundraising Act. PAGVS proposes a Charity Commission, similar to that of England and Wales, as a future option. Accreditation and Certification Processes - 'intermediary' organizations such as professional bodies, parent or umbrella organizations and other accreditation groups bring standards to bear upon their members. 'Whistleblowing' and the Media - Dow and Crowe refer to employees or directors taking an agency's wrongdoing public as "an accountability mechanism of last resort." The media can hold charities responsible not only by exposing scandal but also through positive coverage of good work. External Watchdog Organizations - groups independent of the voluntary sector are making it their business to monitor charities on behalf of the public. The Better Business Bureau of Southern Alberta is seeking ways to gather extensive information from nonprofits, which it would provide to the public upon request. BBB's across Canada are looking at similar initiatives. Cyber-Accountability - the Internet and CD-ROM directories are emerging as new venues through which data on non-profits' performance is being made accessible to the public. U.S.A. based sites such as Internet Non-profit Center (www.nonprofits.org) post information for potential donors and volunteers including a donor defense kit, their top 40 charities list and how to evaluate nonprofits. The On-Site Analysis Process of the United Way - a tool for voluntary self-assessment and regulation, the On-Site Process utilizes an external facilitator to work with the entire organization to analyze its strengths and weaknesses, identify problems and develop an action plan to solve them. Social Auditing - used to date primarily as a tool for assessing corporate levels of social responsibility, this extensive self-assessment mechanism also has applications in voluntary organizations. This process involves regularly surveying stakeholders on all aspects of an organization's performance, setting up benchmarks, comparing results with similar organizations, establishing new goals and objectives, and creating a 'report card' for public disclosure. Finally, a charity can help turn the tide of public mistrust by participating in opportunities for collective action around accountability. "Organizations need to be working together to get out their joint message," says Susan Phillips. This may involve joint communications, or even banding together to lobby authorities. The Society for Manitobans with Disabilities, in its response to the PAGVS discussion paper, pointed out that systemic or macro level issues which are major contributors to accountability concerns must be addressed. Issues such as system fragmentation, increasing competition among charities and the high costs of fundraising play a role in public discontent with the charitable sector. Nonprofits may need to join together and lobby to resolve these concerns. The FCN has created opportunities to ensure meaningful accountability through collective action. Lorna Hillman explains, "We've been trying to organize other health and social service agencies in this region into a sector so that we can have input on evaluation modules … and also so that we can educate [government funders] about our sector. [We are doing this] so that evaluation becomes a tool to further our goals and objectives and to provide accountability for monies being spent rather than it being used to potentially penalize or pass judgement on whether you're doing a good job or not." Bill Tholl says that HSFC has joined with other health charities to "work more hand in hand than head to head and look at what we can do for ourselves." This involves sharing approaches across organizations on accountability. For instance, these agencies are looking at how they can generate Revenue Canada T-3010 information which is more relevant, comparable and transparent. To achieve accountability goals requires co-operation, self-motivation and a good deal of effort. The developmental stage many charities and the sector are at involves taking responsibility of their own volition rather than waiting for the heavy hand of authority to descend. And like every stage of development, new learning, unfamiliar experiences and some struggles are inevitable. Successfully negotiated, however, the sector and its member organizations will emerge from this challenge better equipped to handle the tasks before it. This article is one in a series being written by Sherry Ferronato and Jim Campbell, Co-Directors of Big Sisters and Big Brothers of Calgary and Area, as part of the Muttart Foundation Fellowships. The articles explore current issues in the management of non-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- | Return to the Library Directory | From ???@??? Mon Aug 30 15:10:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 8444 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 20:10:02 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 20:10:02 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990830151001.00926760@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:10:01 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Karaoke discussion with ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anyway, back to my karaoke concept. It's a tough sell. Who are the customer segments you're targetting? What sort of music do you think they would be interested in? Would they be interested in your advertisers (you have to match the advertisers with the taste of your karaoke contestants)? But then again, I'm a cynic so don't pay too much attention to my comments. >How to do it.. is the issue.. Do we need to create a Web based karaoke >recorder/player? That means participants need microphones hooked to the PC and some other stuff (can't think of them now). Karaoke enthusiasts should have a karaoke player and a tape recorder so I guess it's best to work on that for now. >So.. any thoughts? Anything you might want to contribute? Again, I ask this >cos you SAID you were into music. I imagine you might have some ideas. My concern, and for which I draw my knowledge on Asian cultures, is that people into karaoke tend to like old songs and ballads which have a small and narrow market for advertisers. Perhaps you may want to focus on some modern ones like Vanessa Williams or even Savage Garden, and add in some singers from the 80's. Definitely no Marilyn Manson and Red Hot Chilli Pepper. Speaking of RHCP, I saw on Japanese TV the recent Woodstock festival. The bass player came on stage totally naked with just the guitar occassionally covering his private part. As for the crowd, a lot of women only had their shorts on. Anyway, the music was too loud and I got a headache not long after the first song. Jeff From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 12:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 8143 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 17:54:08 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 17:54:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990902125432.0092ae30@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:54:32 -0500 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: Testing my connection... smile Cc: hallie@creatist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PROBLEMS The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. - Theodore Rubin I just ran in the door at the BIA and asked Laurene if they had a Pickle Festival site. She said "no, but we're working on it." I feel like you felt about Ken Choy (is it?) from Prairie Lanes and your suggestion about buskers. Argh... You KNOW what I told you about Dave and the Pickle Festival. But I sent him an email. (Just so you know. I have decided I need to keep you posted on things, if you are okay with that. Smile) I asked Dave if I could create a pro bono SIMPLE!!! I said SIMPLE to him.. Web site for Pickle Festival. Do you REALIZE the marketing stuff they could be doing on the Web? I was relating a couple of thoughts to Dave on this site and here are a few for YOU as well. Did you know we could create an 8 1/2 X 11 page that one could print out on teeshirt transfer paper (leaving the buying of such things to the person to PRINTS it, of course) of a Pickle Fest logo? Why hasn't someone created a Pickle Festival plastic pin with a little safety pin glued to it - a Pickle Festival pin? When I was 12 and went to the Bicks (was it?) pickle factory in the states, I got a little pickle pin. It was painted gold cos they were having some kind of anniversary. Aren't we? Why isn't someone DOING THIS? Laugh. Also, we could use the art that's BEEN created for Pickle Fest to have a page kids could go to and print out a Pickle Picture to colour in. We could have a pickle drawing contest and the winner wins something. Yanno? What app do you create the Twoonie Live marketing piece in? Ya knooow.. if you set the "Twoonie Live" page up as a WEB page (that you printed out.. what was it..four up?.. you could use your access to your html page and update the page yourself. Do you know know to upload pages to your Web site? Do you have an application called WS-FTP? What's your domain name? Did you say you had anything set UP yet on the new domain? Here.. look at this thing I created for creatist. I thought I've create shells that I could print a message on the other side of as needed on whatever paper or take an original to the print shop, etc. http://www.creatist.com/BookmarksBackground4up.html I've just stuck it up there for illustration. Granted, this is art, but you could do the same easily enough with text. I'm not gonna leave it there. But just to show you what you could do. Please note: IN NETSCAPE COMPOSER...under File/Page Setup I have set all my margins to 0 and turned all my headers and footers off. What you SHOULD see is a 4 up page of a shell I created. If you use Internet Explorer, you MAY see something else. Check your Netscape setup before you Print Preview this page. Then print the damn thing out and imagine it's your twoonie leaflet. I've moved to Netscape Composer for all my web stuff. I do images in Image Composer, plop them in an html page and WS-FTP them to the web. NO more printed items.. unless you want them. And the guy at the other END can print them off to -- saving YOU paper. Dig? Heather From ???@??? Tue Sep 07 10:54:45 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16484 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 15:53:49 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 15:53:49 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907105440.00925e70@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:54:40 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Elophant Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Proposal: Kid's Website called Elophant. Other interactive components will be added but the main component at present will be a series of stories based on a stuff toy elephant and his adventures targeting younger kids. Some stories will be standard children's stories. Some stories will be informational stories to promote the Brandon and Manitoba areas. 1. Travel Travel and tourism in Manitoba (or around the world). I can have this creature or his friends travel around Manitoba.. for real or virtually. I can solicit travel and tourism information from all around Manitoba and of course, Brandon. There's a big push on at the government level for helping the tourism industry in Manitoba. I'm not sure why but who knows?.. maybe I can solicit a grant or something to help do tourism pieces and promote Manitoba and Brandon. The main thing being, we can TRAVEL anywhere.. even where YOU live.. and have the animals be tourists of a sort. There's the travel angle we've talk about in the past. AND, what _I_ like is we have a little more interaction that a damn slide show.. the creatures having an adventure there or being given a real tour or something. And we make it KID-palatable, so kids will want to drag their parents to visit this place. 2. The characters can be reporters or writers or just curious animals who go to different places and do different things. I can ask ANYONE with a business or topic or hobby to allow the animal to visit them. I can take pictures of the animal visiting them. Again, I can make it KID-palatable and have a positive spin on it, the way I want to do those BestViewed articles on local businesses, artists, experts, volunteer agencies. I don't know if I mentioned BestViewed. The idea was to write stories to promote these people and to write the story/article from the same point of view the OWNER would want to give to it. I don't WANT to do reviews of restaurants. Leave that to critics. I want to PROMOTE business ergo helping to promote my OWN, hopefully. Dave keeps talking about asking people for money to do this. I agree. But initially, I have to WRITE a bunch of articles for other potential customers to see. It add content to any site, including this one, allows me to practice reporting and being a journalist of sorts and to take digital pictures, too. 3. I was in Walmart talking to a friend.I don't know if she would help me but I got this idea standing talking to her in the toy department where she works part-time. Have a kid "review of toys" site on Elophant.. say... What I thought was, we approach Walmart, cos they're big and ask them to allow us to promote this idea with them being the main store for buying kids' toys (which wouldn't be hard). We get this lady or another salesperson to hand out a coupon or flyer or something (maybe even Walmart will throw in a discount if they SUBMIT a review - not UNTIL then) to ask people who are considering buying toys or will be buying toys to rate them for the Christmas rush and submit reviews to our web site. Actually, we don't have to stick with Walmart but I figure go to them FIRST cos if they catch wind of it they may simply try to copy us. They may try to copy us ANYWAY.. but if we position it as 'help promote this Brandon area web site idea".. they may help us out. 8. People like teddy bears. They are big business. I have also seen runs on prehistoric animals, fish, owls, cows, etc. You name it, there's a person with a hundred of them. I saw a computer geek who finished UNIVERSITY at 18. He started when he was 14 and apparently skipped high school. A brain, obviously. He is into COWS. He had a website on them. Laugh. Simply a case in point. MY thought is go elephant. I bet you have seen a few elephants around as well, so start digging up elephant stuff okay? Any kind, okay? I would LOVE the idea of having a European tie-in on this concept. We could get kids involved with kids in other countries too. I think that is what the Internet should be about. So, okay, we'd start by writing to each other about our ELEPHANTS. Laugh. It might be fun. What do you think? Laugh. Actually, I've overlooked the kids in other countries angle. I think THAT would be excellent. I STILL personally don't feel we ... know enough.. about what goes on in other countries.. simply our own.. which is kinda nuts, yanno? 9. And of course, there's merchandising. If this catches on in any way, we get locals... possibly to create elephants for us. And maybe elephant accessories. Laugh. Am I nuts or what? This elephant I have is a Gund, I think. I would imagine I might even be breaking some law by using him in a picture. I will check into this. But actually, we could always DRAW the animals. It's just Dave has this whole wack of beanies (compliments of me among others) that we could use to photograph around town in storie about different animals. But I still remember talking to a woman at The General Store in the Brandon Mall. People are CRAZY for beanies. Perhaps, we can come up with a merchandising angle for this. Of course, THEN we'd have to get an original elephant. We couldn't make money off the elephant I have, it's someone elses. By the same token, there's nothing wrong with telling the local stores to simply buy elephants - stuffed or whatever.. and we could promote ELEPHANTS. laugh. Til we get our OWN toy. Why not, eh? Look at Star Wars. laugh. And THAT, we could sell over the internet. Hmm.. there ya go.. element two.. selling a product.. Heather From ???@??? Tue Sep 07 10:56:00 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16570 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 15:55:06 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 15:55:05 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907105556.0091e3c0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:55:56 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Dowtown digital directory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Proposal for ad poster utility and digital downtown directory Background ---------- We want to "put a face to each storefront" by providing a picture of each business/building and perhaps its occupants. A one page entry will also include a standard address/phone/fax/email/Web site link listing. Nothing more as this is provided for free. They pay later when they use the ad banner poster utility. This could become a web-based format where the participants add/update this info themselves. We would be able to do this for all cities and not have to worry about data entry. We want to create a COMPLETE digital map of the downtown. A basic start for a Smart Community. We use the ad poster utility as the central infrastructure. The ad poster utility will make us the money to support the site. This site will be used to promote Brandon to the world. We will seek ad sponsorships from the tourism, industry, and government agencies. We will do this for other towns as well once we've established the model for this concept. We use the downtown core as a starting point. What is it? ----------- An ad poster utility that people can use to create and post their own banner ads. It will have a number of components. The first component will be a digital downtown directory. What is a digital downtown directory? ------------------------------------- A _complete_ web based, database-generated, with picture, .php listing of all the buildings and businesses in the downtown core. (Similar to what was created for the McKenzie flower records.) From ???@??? Tue Sep 07 11:01:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16852 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 16:00:12 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907110102.0092ac80@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:01:02 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Background for digital directory/Smart Community Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Background information >> We want to "put a face to each storefront" by providing a picture of >>each business/building and perhaps its occupants. A one page entry will >>also include a standard address/phone/fax/email/Web site link listing. >>Nothing more as this is provided for free. They pay later when they use >>the ad banner poster utility. > >If we give them this, why would they wish to use the banner poster utility? Response to your question in two Parts - Background and Response Background - Sections A, B, and C --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Section A******* We need to find ways to get business owners online Whether you like it or not, creating a utility and telling people to come use it is NOT the only thing we need to do. We ALSO need to get the people who are not YET online... online. Or if not online, USING the selling power of the Web. And they don't have to have their own Web site if they don't want one or can't afford one right now. We could just as easily have a Web department store that WE own and they pay us to market their products (as I'm sure you know). We could ALSO have a store that doesn't even use e-commerce. This is for the "local store" concept we are starting with. We could supply an information-ladened (sp) ad, coupon or special on our site, the buyer would see it and go to the appropriate local store to buy the object. If we got the online buyers to MENTION that this is where they had SEEN the product, we could start to make the store owners understand the potential of the Web. We have to SHOW them it works for them before they are gonna be convinced to lay down a whole lot of money for advertising or Web sites or whatever. They don't all need to own a piece of the _newspaper_ to advertise on it. Section B*******Potential Entrants to Web are saying, "How MUCH????" Now this DOESN'T have to mean they have a full blown Web site. I can see these people's points who are still balking at the Web. I was looking at the suggested startup pricing for a government sponsored storefront hosted by Web Networks and all I wanted to say was, "screw you guys! I just want to get my damn feet wet! I don't have thousands of dollars to invest up front for a damn entrance to the Web!" In typical "grab the money now" fashion every Tom, Dick and Sylvia is trying to get people who aren't yet even ON the Web to spend money like they've got it. People are saying, "you MUST have this 3000 dollar Web site and you MUST have this 800 dollar a year ad campaign and you must have this and you must have that." Crap! I would take my 3000 dollars and buy more of the traditional advertising I've always bought. (Cos for one, I know it works!) That was even if I HAD the 3000 dollars to SPEND right now. They are offering "intro" net training at a $100 a hour for one person (get 5 people, if you can, and it'll cost you $20 a person) Crap! Intro information could easily be found on the Web. These kinds of people are STILL trying to justify their high-figure "I'm an expert" salaries. These Web Networks and government types are STILL taking that attitude that they have some kind of captive audience or are dealing with huge corporations (which some of them could be, yes) and that they've got massive dollar budgets to toss here and there. I'm not disputing their methods. It will work for some groups. I KNOW this. But presently, the rate of expansion, using this method (cos they want so DAMN MUCH MONEY for not a hell of a lot to show for it) is gonna be at a snails pace. It's like Adobe charging $800 for Photoshop... ARGGHH! All I want is to create a damn picture! NOT pay for someone's yacht at Adobe or Microsoft! It's like ME paying $60 bucks a month in union dues to 'work' part-time at Superstore. Give me a BREAK! Section C***************Start with a networked infrastructure first Instead, if we start with some simple, tangible items, that don't cost people much more than giving their permission (I believe it's called 'mindshare') we can build a completely saturated base from which to work from. Look at the cable companies. That is EXACTLY what they did. Everybody gets set up for cable. (Even if you haven't bought any yet) The infrastructure is in place. All anyone will have to do now is pick up the phone and ask for service. This page we offer for "free" is a placeholder. A reminder to everyone in the downtown core that they can be part of a network. That we will build, component by component. It's like the IRDS said. Everyone is focusing on little pockets of people here and there. No one is focusing on putting an ENTIRE network in place. Westman Cable comes the closest to doing this. I see them as our greatest competition. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- (repeated for clarity) >If we give them this, why would they wish to use the banner poster utility? Response to your Question -------------------------- -------------------------- Think of it this way: The banner poster utility is a black box, meaning, it could eventually contain any number of components. We build it so it is highly expandable, and highly FLEXIBLE to fill future needs. The first rather USEFUL need it fills out of the starting gate is a do-it-yourself banner poster. That is just a start. Think of it as _our_ web-based OPERATING system. Our first objective in taking over the net world (I'm kidding) is to put an infrastructure in place that includes everyone. This is what the IRDS was suggesting. This is what Microsoft does when they include Win95 whether you want it or not on your new computer. This infrastructure must serve a purpose as well. (It does. it offers the ad banner utility.) We want everyone to use our infrastructure/operating system so we initially give it away for free just like Linux. To guarantee 100% coverage of the downtown area, we tell the participants we are GIVING them an entrance to the web - a one page database entry with a picture. The relationship can stop right there. We don't need to add anything to this page. But this page will ALSO contain an ad for another person who DID pay us. A person surfing to our Web site who surfs to this page and gets info on the database entry sees the ad for the person who paid us by e-commerce. This database entry is acting like "content." That AGAIN is what the IRDS was suggesting. It's what On! Brandon is doing as well only we have gone one level higher by adding a picture and a free link exchange to their Web site if they have one. I don't know why On! Brandon hasn't even thought of this. It would be simple enough to do. Then again, I do. They want to make their money _now_ on that element they are traditionally used to getting money for. And missing all the opportunities beyond that. The one page serves its purpose. A placeholder. To make money, we think of _other_ things to add and make them pay for that, like a "specials" or coupon or product entry. (that non-ecommerce idea I mentioned above) We don't need them to provide anything, except any missing information we might not have. We take the GOOD digital pictures ourselves. THAT will impress them versus a two line entry on an ON! Brandon listing. I have a listing from the Downtown Today paper from the BIA that lists all the businesses downtown. If I WANTED to, I could create database entries from this. Which I am not going to do. I want a buy-in from these people. I want to obtain that "mindshare." And I want to make it as painless for them to buy in as possible. This is as much a 'building traffic' scheme as building an revenue base. Lot of companies are creating directories with just this information. But in their greed to make money NOW, they are missing that point that the IRDS stated that we need to network EVERYONE and do it effectively. We MAY end up getting someone to help us BUILD this infrastructure. We could solicit government or business sponsors. But in the meantime, if we start small, with something as simple as an ad poster utility and a digital directory page, we are setting the groundwork for massive saturation that we could sell our OTHER applications to. We've got to get their attention first. And a person would STILL have to surf to that ONE page only to see the companies' information. The AD banner poster utility will be available for viewing on EVERY PAGE! So a business owner is STILL gonna want to place a banner ad. And as this network expands beyond Brandon, we are broaching that horizon of offering a business advertising ANYWHERE on the net in a fairly systematic fashion. We will have captured an audience. And we create more content and applications to sell to them. >I'm 100% with you on the rest, but I'm not clear on this one point. It >sounds like we're creating a banner ad for them... Systematically strolling along Rosser Avenue and taking pictures of storefronts to show to the business owners or anyone who comes to our Web site to buy our advertised 'banner ad poster utility' is not exactly creating a banner ad. As far as THAT goes, the operation can be two-fold. It gives me or you (especially) the opportunity to showcase our photographic skills. I can probably find other content uses for those images as well. It costs us nothing but our time. And it may help build an argument to pitch to a potential sponsor. There will be no grand description of what the store sells, or specials etc. Nothing but the name, contact information and Web site link, (that's nothing more than what Link Exchange has and they do THAT for free too) which they may or may not have. This also gives US the opportunity to collect all the email/Web site address information for Brandon so we know who's already out there. And yanno what? This is exactly what I've seen real estate types do -- only they just take a picture. When I was in Bramalea I still remember feeling odd when some real estate guy came to our door to give us a keychain with a tiny slide viewer and picture of our house. This was way back in the late seventies. Only we will put it to a better service than running up to people and saying, "ya wanna sell your house so I can make a commission?" Laugh. From ???@??? Tue Sep 07 11:04:58 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 17004 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 16:04:03 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 16:04:02 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907110453.0092a380@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:53 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Background - Club in a box Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How easy would it be to turn the generic 'structure' of VolunteerBase.. the basic 'design' of fields, forms and database use...etc.. into something we could package and sell as a 'communications medium app.' You could use a "Wizard" which at startup you could: 1. add the sentences/questions being asked to the registrant 2. add the sentences/items/elements being posted/offering for exchange. 3. topics/headings of the forum (okay, you've need to build the forum, it's not ours, like you said) Every little specialty group--- .. like the volunteer agencies look for continuation after dotted lines ----------okay.. I got off track but I'm leaving this in------ ...like the food industry (Kevin was commenting on wishing he could buy special mustards or foods downtown)... what's to say he couldn't create a food consortium where small restaurants collaborated and bought certain kinds of group in bulk, at a better price than if they'd bought it by themselves... like the people used to do buying seed in large quantity as a farmers association. Anyone interested in being able to BUY as an amalgamation of five or six restaurants.. could register for this 'club' and find other SIMILARLY product needing people. It's like they could buy fries in BULK like McDonalds from McCains or something.. only they WOULDN'T be franchises. Over the Moon and Kokonas and Double Decker.. living thousands of miles apart.. could find each other with this similar need and buy food like a McDonald's consortium.. cutting costs.. the way McDonalds must most certainly do. It's like those new HUGE grain elevators near town. Everyone brings their grain/ their NEED for grain.. to the same place and negotiates a price BASED ON that large buying consortium. People could come and go as they please once a deal was made as the idea was, this Web site would be advertised and other people LOOKING for this kind of buying power could come to this Web site and see what deals were in progress. ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- continued from above Every little specialty group--- .. like a 'trade magazine' group (I remember seeing a site that was grouping trade industries.. and delivering trade industry news... was all, I think.. business to business exchange.. but SPECIALTY business) ...Karaoke club - exchanging MIDI or kar files... ...(not QUITE the same idea but people interested in exchanging/selling cars of a certain nature) probably wants a little "package" that they can set up for a 'club' They would say, "JOIN our virtual club.. exchange our special services"... volunteer postings, cross-promotional marketing (no, don't USE that one, that's just an example) coin exchange, postcard/penpal exchange, magazine exchange, little tiny plastic bottle caps liners.. WHATEVER kinds of weird clubs are out there. I'm staring at VolunteerBase and thinking of it as a 'model' of sorts. This model you'd build would offer the ability to: - post one SIMILAR item for exchange (like a volunteer posting) - search for that item - conduct forums for that item It could be a 'club-in-a-box.' Laugh. Maybe a bunch of these offline 'clubs' in town would be interested in such a thing. And of course, it doesn't have to stay local. Look at your Wings list. Yessss.. they'd need Web space as this is a Web.. application.. YES.. there's be special customizations required for some 'clubs'.. so we'd CHARGE extra for that. It's like.. we don't make and sell Web pages.. we make and sell Web CLUBS.. Web exchange SERVICE clubs. And this is MOooRE than a chat community. People are doing business, of a sort. Selling or EXCHANGE communities. Which they can make their OWN rules and regulations for. If it gets big, we charge for more space or services or something (we could offer a marketing service to round them up members) But MOSTLY we are getting each COMMUNITY to draw their own traffic. In some cases.. as I read about the volunteer agencies trying to bring their members online.. we are simply helping to mobilize an OFFLINE group.. ONLINE. ??? make sense? I'm sure this is nothing new, in concept. It's like you are bringing them into the television set and letting them create their own show... ???? I'm back to the idea of a streamlined application that {PERHAPS} we could offer them so they'd have that opportunity, again, to "do their own driving." [Like the banner ad poster utility] Maybe there'd be a way to add-on templates for different kinds of organizations.. they wouldn't even have to push buttons in the Wizard, they could choose a template. I'm thinking.. the same as the banner ad poster utility: One size fits all. It services a simple purpose of enumerating and registering 'members' / provides a relatively simple function [posting a volunteer exchange] and allows a place to yap. Web Networks is trying to make money off a lot of volunteers by OWNING the mechanism and they join WEB NETWORKS club. Let's offer them this simple application for a reasonable price (I wanna sell a thousand at 299 ($299,000) NOT 300 at 699 ($209,700) - yeah but which do you think will take less time to sell? And we've established a broader base at 1000 per 299 and that's twice as many friends they will tell. And we charge for hosting. AND we charge for support. And we have 1000 groups on our site to sell more stuff to. Am I being clueless about something technically impossible here? Let me know. I think I'm probably missing a few points on how this is all done. From ???@??? Tue Sep 07 11:44:38 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 18088 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 16:43:43 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 16:43:43 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990907114434.0092a380@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:44:34 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Proposal - Club in a box Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Proposal: Club-in-a-box business exchange and forum application Objective: To create a generic Web application that could be sold to users who have 'business-to-business' selling/buying needs. This application would be of a similar structure to VolunteerBase. It would contain: A forum ------- Businesses can use the forum to discuss the one specific topic of their application (i.e. VolunteerBase will discuss volunteer management, professional development and fundraising issues) An exchange mechanism --------------------- A posting/contact the poster by email process for exchange of a specific business item (i.e. VolunteerBase has volunteer agencies post volunteer openings. People come to the site, see the posting and contact the agency by email or phone to volunteer) Search mechanism ----------------- You could search for the postings by industry specfic criteria (i.e. Company, region, object for exchange, etc.) Industry content ---------------- We could provide the specific content for this application or the users could provide it. This would be an additional service that we could continually charge for. Ad banner poster utility (optional) ----------------------------------- We could connect each club-in-a-box to our "digital directory" / banner ad poster utility so _we_ could sell ads. We could also offer this banner ad facility to the specific owner of the application to sell their own ads. These components could be supplied in a 'Wizard' that you can use to create whatever club-in-a-box you wish to be. We could provide templates for the wording of each industry/forum/exchange/search mechanism. We could charge for: -------------------- - the original application - hosting these club-in-a-box applications on our web site - support - industry content or mining of content - add-on features, templates - industry specific (generic) marketing of these sites (for getting members) From ???@??? Tue Sep 21 02:21:07 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 11725 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 07:20:29 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 07:20:29 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990921022104.0094d9a0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:21:04 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: collected thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was thinking http://www.popmedia.org (com is taken) The pop in popmedia can mean two things: pop as in P.O.P. (point of purchase.. signs.. installations) Anne does these outdoor murals. I will talk to both her and Curt about other uses for their talents.. you too. pop as in pop culture.. popular media or culture. And media as in all kinds of media / multimedia / artsy fartsy etc. That sort of thing. And being web-based AND local, we can market ourselves a number of ways. I'm thinking.. take the ideas I mentioned from above with the creatist freelance directory and photodrop.. laugh. and have an online/offline aspect to it. And add more elements.. shooting for promoting/jobbing creatists.. be they musicians, photographers, whatever. I also mentioned this virtual volunteering aspect. We should tie into THAT as well. ------------ I was also gonna pitch an idea. Tell me what you think. Catalogue all the music they do for vocals. All that stuff that people like Nancy and Diane and all the other vocalists use. Get Les and the boys to record it for the computer. Set up a Web site with downloadable or streaming versions of those arrangements. And the words to the music. And tell people to go to the Web site, practice THOSE songs and those arrangements..(and meanwhile Les and the boys are getting some publicity on the net.. cool) And we have Karaoke nights at the Kokonas... USING just those songs. What do you think? It MIGHT be a good kid draw.. get some KIDS in that place. Maybe I could even convince Dave to have a Karaoke here at the office. Oh and the BIG difference IS: The Karoake singers have the Cham Paine Trio back them UP on stage LIVE.. while they sing the songs. They'd have a moment in the sun to 'sing with the band.' Cool. That _sounds_ like a draw. So people would come to hear their friends sing. But they'd ALSO hear the live bands and come back for the other jazz or musical groups. And Nancy could scout for talent to add to the Twoonies lineup as well. And she could get up and help the people who are singing Karaoke by singing along or doing duets or accompanying or background vocals for them. We could record THOSE two and put them on the web. And use them for that web Karaoke contest I mentioned. ---------------------------------- >> Or maybe there's a simple answer to this? > >You can use frames to maintain a thumbnail directory on the same page as >the enlargement, and/or you can provide navigation controls that make it >easy to skip or select images. This is a trivial problem. --------------------- I had originally planned a Web site of SOME musical nature. I wasn't sure what. But here's Nancy and you and like Nite Caps and maybe a few other people and my plan is to create a Web site that incorporates maybe stories, bios, news and reviews, sponsors, merchandise, selling CDs, promoting new artists on the Web, maybe audio streaming.. that sort of thing. ----------------- Oh and I am gonna do a peanut butter and chocolate Web site. You got any input on that topic? Laugh. It can be ANYTHING to do with PB and chocolate.. stories, recipes, pictures.. and coffee too. I've talked to a few chocolate related businesses about some input. A lady at an ice cream store, a lady at a candy bouquet store and a lady at a Belgian chocolate/coffee house. They get a college crowd in there a tad. She seems interested in pursuing some ideas. I will work on these and get back to you on this. Chocolate stories.. hey... I just thought of that one.. Write a chocolate poem, bebes. Smile. Or a chocolate tome! From ???@??? Thu Sep 30 14:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2900 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 19:40:13 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:40:13 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990930144100.00939240@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:41:00 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Ideas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We will STILL talk about that "Bride for a Day" idea. But I DID notice another bridal fashion store in town. We should talk to them as well. Smile. HEY.. better yet.. take pics of people trying on HALLOWEEN COSTUMES!!! Think of Walmart. All those cute kiddies in costumes. laugh. ------------------------------ Something ELSE I was wondering. I wonder... IF Bryan buys into us.. if we could do a trade of services for advertising. Or even take turns ADVERTISING Brandon.com and creatist venues in On! Brandon. Yanno, I really don't think Bryan advertises Brandon.com enough. I still think this idea of a rather static list of info is not great. Oh well.. we can work on that point with him. Did I mention the idea of creating reports based on Bryan's event listings? A lot of events ran on the Sept. 10-11-12. If people could submit their venue dates into some kind of database, they could check way ahead of time as to the competition for that same date. Like Ray was saying, when a particular special event is on, if he knew about it, he might change the theme or the movie he plays opposite it. THAT might be something useful to create for Bryan and his list of dates, don't cha think? There could be an ecommerce site one could use to generate this report perhaps. --------------------------------------- Oh and we have the Marquis Site to do as well. Maybe you could do pics for that too. -------------------------------- I noticed the pic and logo Bryan gave me for Ted Good Music are a LITTLE out of date. He's got a new sign. I saw it today. Mark that one down as a digipic we need. Actually, we should also get one of cdplus.com/Record Baron. We're doing directory pics anyway. I wonder who ELSE sponsors music? I also wonder HOW Ted Good sponsors. Like, what do they do? Do you know? Ya KNOW.. we should get the Evans Theatre or the Film Fest to sponsor a musical event. Yanno? It gets their name out there and we can get into a kind of cross promoting with all these groups. Even one music venue should SPONSOR another. Like Over the Moon should sponsor Twoonies ClubLive. And while they are DOING it, they are advertising their OWN venue. Cool idea, eh? Who else in the music area that you know of sponsors musical groups? Hey. I should go after SPONSORS for all these artists at Twoonies. Doh! Oh, and I also wanna take pics of as much of Anne Boychuk's stuff as we can get our hands on. There is a jewelry store on Rosser. In the window is a tile painted with a painting that has been made into a clock. This is something Anne could do. Maybe not a clock. But medium sized ceramic tile paintings. Interesting idea. Good Christmas item to help emphasis her outdoor work. Oh yeah, and she wants to do linoprints as well. I must remember to talk to her about that. Jenkins Supply has cool ceramic tiles. We should go get her a few. Laugh. The idea is to connect with the people in town who are already 'visible' in some way. Casteleyns gets wacks of traffic. So does Brandon.com. Anne's work is out there ALL THE TIME. I was at the Evans Theatre. We should try to get more acts in that place, if possible. Even movies. Oh and I talked to Ray about a KID'S film festival. I mean real kid's stuff not Adam Sandler movies as Ray related. Think about kid's stuff. That's a good market for Christmas. Actually, think about all "season" stuff. We should do something different for Halloween. Oh and another idea: I want to build a Web site called festival. So that would read http://www.creatist.com/festival This Web site could contain information and "added" info and input from enthusiasts and businesses and such on each upcoming festival or whatever (with ads from sponsors and businesses) in Brandon and it could also be used to discuss the ideas floating around for NEW festivals or whatever. Most festival Web sites go up and then come down at the end of the venue. Some of the bigger ones.. like the Montreal Jazz Festival.. do not. Part of this idea dovetails with one of my ideas about the Picklefest site idea of having businesses discuss new festivals and venues for the downtown on that site. It simply continues to amaze me how willing people are to talk to me about ideas. I ask them why they haven't talked to others about it as well. It always makes them pause. Even Ray thinks we need to collaborate in our efforts on all this shit. I have talked to a number of people on a number of subjects. They keep wondering why 'we don't HAVE one of this festival or the other' in Brandon. These people could provide needed resources for its creation. We use a Web site to publicize it. (Among other places) We sell advertising. We could even CREATE a festival or two, ourselves, and get people to come to it. After all, we ARE across from the park, for starters. A Book Fair to coincide with NovelExchange. (And you were MENTIONING that place in Rideau Park....) ------------------------------------------------ I mean, ain't that kinda what Bryan does? Sells advertising around little bits of event filler? Very little, I might add..and it doesn't cost US as much to 'print it' which is how he decides on how much content to put in Brandon.com versus ads. His ads pay for production.. of course. But in actually fact, that makes his On! Brandon little more than the pennysaver classifieds. Why won't he do more? Sigh. Course I KNOW why. He's into designing ads NOT writing stories. Are there ANY magazines made in Brandon? I bet we have enough WRITERS in Brandon. ------------------------------------ I like the idea of noon-hour concerts. We might be able to create some kind of venue-pass for a number of venues or something like that. Nancy of BPH and Donna of the Folk Music Society could do the bookings for an assortment of talent. Donna is also coordinator of Touring Artists Network in Manitoba. Mark Anderson is involved with YFC which currently books acts for on Solid Grounds, a weekend coffee house/entertainment venue. Ken Jaworsky is involved with a lot of bands as well. And I mustn't forget Look Music. I'm sure there are others. It doesn't even have to be music. The Art Gallery or groups of artists could have a sidewalk art venue (we used to have this in front of City Hall. I forget what it was called) Or even business. We have the makings of organizing conventions or something similar. Just a thought. I should talk to Howling Productions or whatever that's called. I talked at length to Bryan on Friday about how we might collaborate on a few things. I feel this is a good idea on a number of levels. We end up NOT duplicating efforts. We all build in our strengths. He is into creative. And this is definitely what he wishes to focus on. We are into programming, for example. Each should be allowed to shine and potentially help the other. When Bryan looks good, WE look good. If he's not into databases or applications, we cover that area. ------------------------------------ One thing Bryan seems to wish to stick with is 'providing information.' A lot of his business is providing travel guides and city, event and accomodation.. 'overviews.' As he once related to me, he is not as interested (presently) in the event 'after the fact' (ie. he didn't want to cover the Simplot open house.. he just wanted to advertise it being there. He also mentioned he seems to view what creatist is about is we wanna do entertainment. And Bryan says he wants to do business. I don't think I'm gonna burst his bubble just yet as I have no INTENTION of sticking to entertainment. Creatists are ANYONE who creates.. including businesses. But for now, I will listen when Bryan speaks. I know he (as others) is really not used to someone coming to him and wanting to collaborate. And from some of the things he said, I still feel he is CLOSER to us in his business philosophy than we may find with Brandon Sun or Leech. I want to see that Bryan gets what he wants. And we MAY just convince him to shoot for MORE as well, yanno? If we can help on a certain level with Brandon.com getting traffic (ie. link exchange on our Web sites) we can draw on the traffic that Brandon.com may already be getting. I keep checking out places that already HAVE a lot of traffic (ie. Casteleyn's.. Brandon.com.. Evans Theatre) This is the market we start with and build on the existing Web surfers. H From ???@??? Thu Sep 30 14:42:10 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2911 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:41:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990930144207.0093aa80@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:42:07 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Ideas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Idea: You talked about most printouts of teeshirt transfer pictures being rather small. How about this then: Stickers or labels for kids to collect or put on small notepads. A Web site offers covers you can print out for small spiral notepads. You've probably seen these small notepads in 'A Buck or Two' stores. They cost about two dollars. The covers could be pictures we've created, artwork from our artists, or approved-for-use logos of companies in town. (ie. Over the Moon's logo) In addition to offering our OWN product to sell, the idea is to offer a product another company could use for its OWN marketing. People like getting their logo on things. Look at the sports brands and logos on teeshirts. We might even consider approaching an artist who CREATES paperbound blank books to create pads. Though I imagine they'd want more than two dollars. I'm simply looking at two dollars as a price point right now. Five dollars might also be a price point too. A person goes into a print shop to have these printed out from the Web site. They can buy a sheet of the label material. Have you ever seen the clear labels on a Shoppers' Drug Mart one litre pop bottle? The medium is clear and the image is printed on the medium. We might even go THAT route though whether that kind of material is available or useable in a printer, I don't know. I've always looked at labels on things. I like label designs. There are some interesting ways those labels can be attached these days. I'm thinking stickers.. kid stickers.. might be a thing to look at too. When the kids come trick or treating on Halloween, we should hand out a tiny sheet of stickers. Stickers seem to be popular still. I was also thinking about using an artist's art -- say, Anne's -- to print on a carry-out plate or container. (Styrofoam?) When Casteleyn's has take out cheesecake, they put it on a plain paper plate. Why not... offer a service to provide carry out items with logos or artwork on them. Do the product in short runs. Or find a way to have a logo that you could STICK on the plate versus having it printed. They would only have to buy the sticker paper and print out as much or when they want. ------------------ This Midiot guy asking for a little help...it might prove interesting to see what happens. He's put a lot of time into his site. It shows on Alexa as not getting much traffic yet but I just thought it might be an interesting place to start.. in terms of music and such. I haven't mentioned Twoonies to him though. I just said we were working on a music related Web. I've only mentioned the scheduling event application to Nancy and Dave. I haven't even mentioned it to Bryan. He might presently see some conflicts in it. Which he shouldn't really. All Bryan wants to do is have a calendar.. basically. I wish that WEREN'T the case. But something I should be considers is: He still does a lot of print media stuff.It kinda makes sense that he's not spreading out in his interests on the net too much... just yet. -------------------------------- Oh and check this site. They are apparently doing well, money-wise: http://www.x-radio.com/ Give me some feedback on this site. What is interesting is I just read about them in an article Dave gave me. Their music genre is more focused but they are talking about doing the following: >>Mr. Risenhoover is currently looking at building out the site to leverage X-radio.com's following by providing club listings, chat, original content, and a database of electronic artists and music -- in essence, to create more of a portal presence than a pure music site. Taken from this page: http://www.herring.com/insider/1999/0928/feature/news-fea-profit-xradio.html h From ???@??? Wed Oct 06 08:55:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 24907 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 13:54:25 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 13:54:25 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991006085526.009290e0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:55:26 -0500 To: devriesl@mb.sympatico.ca From: Heather Subject: Some thoughts for starters... Cc: hallie@creatist.com In-Reply-To: <37FAB394.798DD5FB@mb.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:27 PM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, Heather > > Thanks for coming out to tonight's meeting. Please send me some >information about developing a website. I hope we can make Brandon a >center for foodies around Canada. To be sure. I'll start putting some thoughts together on a food site -- I had one idea for a site called 'passionfood' -- and I will send them to you. I think this will be fun. Send me your thoughts as well as you think of them. I think one of the first things to consider is getting you guys a little more visibility. You are non-denominational in a sense. I think this just be promoted more so more people get involved with your organization. Tell me a bit about your membership. Is it a large one? What kinds of input do they generally offer? Do different restaurants tend to collaborate on promotions of any kind? This might be an interesting initial draw. Getting restaurants to have 'standard' specials throughout Brandon. Say, a chef has a specialty. On a Tuesday, he could offer that specialty. Do you sorta see where I'm going? I'm almost thinking of this like the tourism industry. We should promote food, in general, like the government agencies try to promote tourism. I noticed your chef from the Victoria Inn cited the same issue I've heard cited from the volunteer, film, and the music industries here in Brandon. People don't tend to check out what OTHER people are doing and when. They'll hold an event (like I noticed on Sept. 10 for the Picklefest - there were a NUMBER of events running the same weekend.. silliness) at the same time as everyone else. Then people wonder why the turnouts aren't as good. If we set up an event schedule on the Web of some kind that everyone got in the habit of posting their event to (as soon as they'd thought of a date) they could check and see what other events are running on that date and either CHANGE their date or allow for the other traffic or perhaps collaborate with the other venue being run. We could also have a forum for discussion as well. I've thought about this venue schedule. We could set it up on the Web, people could do this dynamically. They could POST an event or even first CHECK what events were running that date. If they saw too many conflicts, as easily as updating the entry, they could change the date to another one. Another idea we've been discussing is a cross promotion exchange site. Everyone could come to a site that offers you the chance to post your needs for promotion. (say, what you would like to do, what your budget is, perhaps particular industries that you'd like to cross-promote with, that sort of thing) Other people could come to this site, check out what people were listing and contact the business or organization to discuss cross-promotion. What do you think about that idea? Tell me a bit about what's at Crocus Plains in the way of the food industry and education. The more I understand about an industry, the more suggestions I can make. Let me know if there is a student contingent we might approach for input as well. I feel the more input, the more interesting a site. Oh and so you know where I am so far, here are some sites we've been working on. They are all in production -- meaning they will be added to. But this might give you some ideas about things we could create for a food site. The main domain that all these sites are under is creatist.com (that page isn't linked to anything.) I'm almost using creatist.com as an 'idea factory.' When an idea becomes from viable (as in perhaps generating revenue) we'll get it a top level domain. (http://www.creatist.com is a top level domain. Something like http://www.creatist.com/twoonies is a second level domain.) I'm updating it today as a matter of fact) but here you go. http://www.creatist.com http://www.creatist.com/twoonies the beginnnings of a music site http://www.creatist.com/VolunteerBase a Volunteer posting site VolunteerBase is under testing at the moment.. please don't post anything just know and please ignore some of the rather strange entries.. these are not real.. smile. But take a particular look at the forum. This would be a good communications medium. I was also talking to some volunteer groups and organizations (Contract Solutions, in particular) about doing professional development courses.. online.. It would be rather involved, the online courses idea.. but I think there's a market for it. See what happens anyway. http://www.creatist.com/muZine/whitespace writing and artist showcase http://www.creatist.com/MarketValueAuction You guys could use this to auction off stuff or even restaurant services. The thought is: use it as a regular auction for ANYTHING.. use it as a product pricing guide.. offer a product for auction.. see what the "Market Value" price of it is.. Also.. you could do charity auctions as well. and picklefest... http://www.picklefest.org I've been discussing a few things with Laurene of the BIA. She and I share an interested in getting people into Brandon.. locals or people visiting from outside town. And yes, again to emphasis, I wanna take all this stuff as far as I can. This is NOT strictly for Brandon. I am using Brandon as the model, but I would really like to take this across the country. So even be thinking in TERMS of that with any ideas you may offer. And again, if you have any OTHER things you are interested in, let me know. Thanks for listening. Heather From ???@??? Sun Oct 31 15:07:44 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16333 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:06:03 -0000 Received: from crab.armchair.mb.ca (qmailr@198.163.115.6) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:06:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18080 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:06:55 -0000 Received: from onramp.armchair.mb.ca (alias@198.163.115.1) by crab.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16316 invoked by alias); 31 Oct 1999 21:05:58 -0000 Delivered-To: creatist-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 16304 invoked by uid 505); 31 Oct 1999 21:05:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:05:37 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:05:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991031150701.0091fd70@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:07:01 -0600 To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca, creatist@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: [Creatist] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-creatist@onramp.armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: creatist@armchair.mb.ca Jeff... Linda in Cranbrook has a new address.. okay? Linda Heather From ???@??? Sun Oct 31 15:07:44 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16346 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:06:10 -0000 Received: from crab.armchair.mb.ca (qmailr@198.163.115.6) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:06:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 18090 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:07:02 -0000 Received: from onramp.armchair.mb.ca (alias@198.163.115.1) by crab.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:07:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16336 invoked by alias); 31 Oct 1999 21:06:06 -0000 Delivered-To: intolerant-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 16303 invoked by uid 505); 31 Oct 1999 21:05:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 21:05:37 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 21:05:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991031150701.0091fd70@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:07:01 -0600 To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca, creatist@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: [Intolerant] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Jeff... Linda in Cranbrook has a new address.. okay? Linda Heather From ???@??? Thu Nov 11 23:33:51 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 22686 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1999 05:32:14 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 12 Nov 1999 05:32:14 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991111233346.00921d60@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:33:46 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: VolunteerBase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ideas gleaned from the Centre for Philanthropy newsletter located at: http://www.ccp.ca/imagine/publications/inter-sector/index.html Awards were given to partnering businesses and volunteer organizations for the following ideas. See if you can incorporate them into YOUR organization in some way. 1. A volunteer hot lunch delivery organization approached their local bank to solicit volunteers. The bank employees are donating their lunch hours on a rotating basis to deliver meals and companionship to often isolated clients. In addition, the bank is relieving some of the administrative duties of the volunteer organization by arranging replacements, recruiting from the workplace and scheduling the participating employees. 2. A local restaurant and a community development organization have partnered to help provide a fresh community approach to the issue of hunger. "Each spring seed kits are donated to area school children. They grow the seedlings in their homes. Those seedlings are transplanted to community gardens tended by volunteers. The produce is eventually earmarked for the emergency food programs that distribute to people in need." 3. Charity BBQ for Princess Cafe... 4. Through various vehicles, including communication tools developed for national, provincial and community-based palliative care organizations, the program encourages open dialogue on death and dying. It seeks to educate patients, caregivers, medical professionals, volunteers and policy makers about the resources and expertise that are -- or should be -- available in their communities. It envisions the day when hospice palliative care becomes a core element of the health care system. And its participants see the program as a catalyst for fundamental change in the way Canada's death-denying culture confronts end-of-life issues. From ???@??? Thu Jan 13 16:59:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 23387 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2000 22:59:04 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 13 Jan 2000 22:59:04 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000113165904.00915640@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:59:04 -0600 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Do this Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Generic Twoonie poster with club information but no specific club dates. From ???@??? Fri Jan 14 01:16:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 19803 invoked by alias); 14 Jan 2000 07:16:02 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 19800 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 07:16:02 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 07:16:02 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000114011601.00910350@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:16:01 -0600 To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: The Book Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.bookexchange.com.au/ This Australia Book Exchange site needs sponsors to keep the site free. They offer book exchange (books are sold, not exchanged) in a specific region of the country only.. currently Australia.. (as in, you have to have an aussie address to register with them.) From ???@??? Fri Jan 14 18:45:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 1627 invoked by alias); 15 Jan 2000 00:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1619 invoked by alias); 15 Jan 2000 00:43:17 -0000 Delivered-To: intolerant-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 1607 invoked by uid 505); 15 Jan 2000 00:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1597 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2000 00:43:17 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Jan 2000 00:43:17 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000114184317.009179d0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:43:17 -0600 To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: [Intolerant] A fictitious Music site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca And riddle me this. How about a completely fictitious musician Web site? Create a musician. (We supply the music, songs and voices of course) But we do it with a number of 'fake' personas. Isn't that what a lot of people tend to even do in email? Create these "idealized" personas for themselves? That's why the net is what it is, presently, in some cases. Low esteemed types creating "themselves".. on the net. Yanno? I still remember someone describing how in the music industry there are probably a ton of people who sing like Whitney Houston. But one of them has big ears or one of them is a bit plump. As in.. they don't fit the 'physical' record industry profile. (and don't kid yourself.. the record industry decides what you will listen to. Do you realize just how many artists get lost in the shuffle on the road to becoming famous?) So how about.. we CREATE a persona? We don't HAVE to have this person tour. For my current experiences in the music area, I sense people prefer listening to 'canned' or jukebox or MP3 (now) music anyway. They can't be bothered listening to a musician in a club. They are cocooning.. sweet little yuppies and sons of yuppies that they are. So let's 'give em what they want.' And maybe sell the MP3s. Or just see where this idea goes. We can use our marketing and writing skills to promote these personas or fill up the site with content for each artist. (Again, this helps us to practice internet marketing, whatever the outcome. Like my doing that Twoonies site.) We can even let people know that we are DOING this and ask them for their 'perfect musician type' that we can create (or THEY can help create). We could even have a few GENIUNE musicians in this bunch like that Ainsley kid I mentioned, as an example. Six and half a dozen, is my thinking. The big issue on the net right now is 'promotion.' There is PLENTY of talent out there. And people sure seem to like to get involved with the process of fandom and artists and musicians and such. I was reading over the forums of a Sarah Brightman fan club that sounded like a religious group. It was a little strange. They talked like they owned her. They talked about how it was GOOD that she wasn't getting TOO famous.. they wouldn't want her to get TOO famous.. so they could still find her accessible at concerts and such. Yet, they were also pissed cos she was being "snubbed" or overlooked in the music industry. It then led to catcalls about comparable artists. I never realized people did this sort of thing when it came to musicians. It was really weird. But think of it. Letting the fans.. CREATE the artist they 'fan' over. Laugh. I even find it strange that everyone is currently making such a big thing over "Nabster" - an application for downloading MP3s of current favourite artists. Lord, look at all the musicians who are filling the landscape out there on those MP3.com sites. I'm SURE.. given the caliber of musicianship in the world today.. that you could easily find a David Bowie or two to listen to in that bunch. And currently, they are letting you LISTENING to the whole of their MP3s. Yet people are back there with the record industry-dictated musicians.. grabbing up old Beatles MP3s. Weird. The more we move forward, the move you reach back, eh? Look at all the fan Web sites and forums who drool over their current faves. Even the comics world types do fan fiction based on the character of a popular comic book character. The Star Wars or Indiana Jones novel syndrome, yanno? We could have anyone contribute to this. A regular joe contributing to this: a fan or musician could help to 'create' their ultimate 'fave.' I mean, isn't that what porn is all about? Fantasizing about your dream fuck? (If you'll excuse the expression) I recently read about some guy who is paying young, pretty girls tidy sums of money to follow them around with a camera on a 24 hour basis and this will be broadcast to the panting male masses on the net? Giving the fuckers what they want.. it seems. On one level, how sad. Removing reality from an act of intimacy.. as lovemaking should be. But obviously there is a tidy sum of people out there that either need or want this. Interesting. Comments welcome. And frustrated artists who DON'T look like Whitney Houston but sound like her.. can create a 'ghost musician' Web site? I was thinking of calling a musical Web site like this "Keep Frozen" or "Frozen Rose." Cos that's the way we SEE music actually. And videos. And films. And perfect frozen moments in time. Perfect frozen roses of perfection. Thoughts? What d'ya think? H From ???@??? Sun Jan 30 02:35:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 24930 invoked by alias); 30 Jan 2000 08:29:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24922 invoked by alias); 30 Jan 2000 08:29:47 -0000 Delivered-To: intolerant-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 24910 invoked by uid 505); 30 Jan 2000 08:29:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24899 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2000 08:29:46 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 08:29:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000130022946.0093dd20@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 02:29:46 -0600 To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Re: [Intolerant] Free internet access In-Reply-To: <20000129113625.31345.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Caution.. incomplete thinking.. potentially guaranteed to make you squint your eyes and go.. huh? Is there such a thing as pay-per-view internet surfing.. with NO commercials being displayed when you surf? Jeff ... would there be a way to 'filter' out commercials so I don't see them when I surf? Could one company OFFER such a filtering service with a subscription rate for unlimited surfing... with no ads...? Say.. some kind of browser... I mean.. what does a family filter or parent filter do? Hmm.... That's obviously what these specialty channels on television do, right? Content with no ads. But you pay extra for the channel. An AD filter...interesting.... At 07:36 PM 1/29/00 SGT, you wrote: >The first free ISPs were in the UK. Dixon's, the huge retail store, offered >Freeserve. Surfing patterns are analysed, which is valuable in >understanding individual's preference. Marketing info. Internet access is >now a commodity. Yes. I was reading a bit last night about some of these companies that are offering internet access for 'free.' I realize the time is also more ripe for this idea as costs of the process have good down and speeds of internet connections are way up.. from the previous time when a lot of companies tried this 'freenet' idea. This may just be what makes it WORK this time. And if they learned from their past experiences.. like Juno, for example.. and had some paid services as WELL as free services being offered at the same time... This might just be the way to get that big hunk of new customers. But you'd have to be offering them something 'for free' that they wanted. THAT, as it were.. is the catch. Smile. Also.. there are a lot of forecasted new users coming to the net, from what I've read. This sweetens that pot as well. Interesting. Yes... there ARE a few catches to the use of that service. As in.. you pay for a DSL connection and setup, etc. But still..your actual service IS free. They make their revenue by selling advertising which you..of course are inundated with when you use the service. Probably either as much or more ads than you may be used to. But compare THAT offer to a Web page you are staring at.. WITH ads.. that you had to PAY for the internet access. Some people might not really care. Free is free, yanno? Granted, there may also be a service that you end up paying for.. like cable movies.. that DOESN'T have ads. (Jeff.. is anyone DOING THAT?) People might be willing to pay for internet access that DOESN'T have ads. Course how would you DO that? You'd have to provide all the places they GO to.. Hmm.... Interesting business model. I'll keep an eye on this. NetZero, for example, picked up a _walloping_ quantity of subscribers by offering this free access. Can you IMAGINE how long it would take to get a load of subscribers any other way? Or how EXPENSIVE by comparison? And as was related in these articles... GETTING subscribers.. at little to no cost outlay for advertising.. is an interesting idea. It can often cost quite a bit.. to GET a new customer. This process is definitely chewing holes in one of the old business models. But still.. they'll have to find a way to sustain the influx of customers once they GET them. The current totals of subscribers to NetZero compare QUITE favorably to a service provider who had been around for a while. And it took THEM quite a bit longer.. of course.. it was a paid subscription.. to get these quantities. We're back to that old question of: Let them in free at first. Get them hooked and offer paid services. OR offer paid services and let them come onboard A LOT more slowly. (and more costly per person as you've had to pay for all that advertising to GET them to subscribe) Interesting... I also gleaned perhaps a good way to proceed as AOL may end up doing. Have the company offer a number of tiers to their service.. just like cable. You could start with a basic service.. like NetZero.. that costs nothing but the above mentioned setup. (you end up with a hoard of people coming through the door.. USUALLY the hardest leg of the buying process. Then... for broader bandwidth.. or specific ranges of multimedia processes.. you could pay a small fixed fee. Then, for specialty services or 'channels' you could pay a premium fee. I was flipping through a Web site and came across THIS analogy. It was to do with software (Bill Gates pay attention) but we could ALSO apply it to internet access: The future of software ... There is commercial TV, public TV, cable TV, and pay-per-view TV. The software (internet access / music access) model of the future will be an analogy of this. 1. Commercial - free, paid for by ads 2. Basic - small, fixed monthly fee, unlimited use of basic software 3. Premium - basic plus special software for a higher fixed monthly fee 4. Pay-per-use - one time fee for use of a specialized software package. Apply "internet access," "music distribution/access" to these tiers... I'm starting to see a thought forming here. Especially to do with the music access providers. I'll let you know when I get it. Think about what Napster is doing right now.. they're BUILDING a subscription base. And it isn't costing them a dime.. relatively. Look at MYMP3.com. You're 'uploading' -- (not really, they just scan to see what CD you have in your player and grab a database copy of the CD to play for you ...online...) All WE'D have to do.. is figure out how to provide even a small CHUNK of those kinds of service. As the article relates.. these small companies.. who start by offering free services.. don't have to worry about paying off all their ADVERTISING costs.. ergo.. needing to justify a fee they would have charged. They didn't have to PAY for advertising..not at the same levels an AOl has had to. Interesting... A person is clicking on pages. How does one 'analyse' clicking on pages. It could mean nothing ... in some ways. Same as I've been searching intelligent agents. I was looking to see if a particular feature existed on any of them and I've been generally reading the feature blurbs on the ones I've come across. How can a bot or intelligent agent analyze any information based on simple collecting of information? It can't 'analyze' it.. per se. Comments? H From ???@??? Sun Feb 06 19:21:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 24141 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 01:16:03 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 01:16:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000206191603.00927e60@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:16:03 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bookmarks baseball caps apron stuffed animals photo placemat Baseball jersey Collectibles tray Baby doll t-shirt Henley Infant cotton creeper set Infant teeshirt Long sleeved teeshirt Ladies V-neck teeshirt Tank top Coaster set Polo shirt Framed art teeshirt Portrait teeshirt Cermamic baby shoe Sticker stamps PC screensaver with your pictures Baby photo album frame Brass engraved bag tags Blue Basketweave Self-seal envelopes Silverplate desk accessories Embossed Correspondence cards Personalized gift bags Flip Photo file Entwined heart Honeymooners Photo album Personalized fabric ribbon Kid's cutout label assortment Lighthouse Stationery portfolio Stainless steel pet bowl Bronze star paperweight Engraved pet treat canister Plush Lovie security friend Post-it Note pads Mouse pad Photo mugs Photo magnet Photo calendar Silk photo neck tie Paper cube Sculpture plate Christmas collectible plate Potholder Puzzle Christmas stocking Sweatshirt Refrigerator chore magnet Pocket tool Tote bag Cookiegram Photo Pendant Photo Frosting Sport Stickers Watch Deskset Wall clock Address labels Desk Statue Scrapbook Wedding anniversary memory book Wood frame Mini printer Personalized pencils Towel poncho Memo pads Leather card case Baseball trading cards Commemorative plate Boxer shorts Snowglobe Picture cookies Christmas ornament Christmas snowflake ornament Black Icon Watch From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 11:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 8363 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 17:16:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000207111619.00919590@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:16:19 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Music Web site business model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The purpose of this Web site is to promote 20 talented individuals, groups or genres and generate revenue from it. Though initially musician based, we will also look at writing/performance related genres such as spoken word artists. We offer the developing fanbase an experience they will return to frequently. This creates exposure for the musician which should lead to revenue opportunities for them and us. We will search for good, independent talent for the site. The arrangement is non-exclusive. They can do whatever else they want. We are simply providing one more outlet for marketing their talent. The profile we shall seek initially will be 'net savvy' talent. We need people to help GROW this idea. Hand-holding should be at a minimum. We will offer the entire body of work of each talent for MP3 download. All MP3s are free. We use the music like a business card or loss-leader to get customers in the store. We make money on OTHER things. The musicians who sell CDs on our site -- THEY get the full cost of the CD. (Consider a process where musician is notified of sale and ships the CD themselves.) We sell ads on the site. We share the ad revenue with the musician. We can figure out splits/shipping processes on other merchandise/services as we create them. The site can offer any of the following: - ads; - CD /merchandise / related items advertising; - sponsors/patrons - (have a recognition/reward program for these); - music genre education and background; - musician-run workshops/streaming video; - fan surveys, feedback and profiles; - Web page update notification services for major updates; - Web counters - (on each musician's main page, perhaps?) - screensavers - statistical reports for musicians; - musician Web site links; - newsletters; - contests; - guestbook(s) - (could a single guestbook for all talent on site have a filter/search feature for each talent?) - participatory input like Armchair's 'The wall'; - music related applications like the ChordOTron 9000 chord guide - an Encyclopedia of Everything on each artist - business linked promos; - giveaways; - Web flyers promoting specific gigs or the musician in general; - Webring for this business model; - fan memorabilia showcase - fan drawings, letters, fan fiction, concert memories or reviews; - musician-related Web based games; - battle of the bands; - listservs; - chat groups; - live musician chats (with downloadable transcripts available); - live or recorded concerts / webcasts in audio or video format; - chat focus groups for musician feedback; - musician/music industry forums; - general workshops - tips and techniques on music related subjects; - comprehensive musician content like bios, personal opinions, recording techniques, publicity photos, concert dates, concert photos, gig parameters for new bookings - (prices, requirements, etc); - Web-based printout items like stickers, sticker books, musician posters, postcards, music or musician-related comic strips, lyric posters, calendars, notepads, bookmarks, CD covers, tee-shirt transfers, masks, colouring books or projects, and greeting cards; - free musical greeting cards; - other musician creativity (ie. writing, art, physical prowess, hobbies); - useful and music-related links; Thanks for reading. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 14 21:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16850 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 02:48:02 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 02:48:02 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000214204802.0090b580@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:48:02 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Bar / restaurant ideas... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Make your staff your stars. Why is just a DJ well-known at a club? Why not the waiter/ chef / bartender - your staff? Time to whip up a web site on this concept. Make one yourself. People could visit the Web site and ask drink recipe / food recipe advice from the staff. This approach makes you TOTALLY unique to any other place. Cos any other place DOESN'T have YOUR staff. Could you circulate flyers with staff pics on them that showcase the staff in some way? Or create a web page WITH this flyer on it and ask your CUSTOMERS to print out and circulate them -- thus saving yourself paper and engaging your current customers in the acquistion of new clientele. (ie. showcase staff with strong community ties is one approach, Tom Cruise-like bartender drink creators, is another or even something silly or eyecatching like one waitress who can juggle limes? Relate the silliness to something club related) Hire a dance instructor (if you have a dance floor) and have her/him create a 'Nikko Hotel Guam' dance step or series of dance steps. Promote the dance instructor / offer dance lessons. The main point here: take a look at the people who work for you. What is it about THEM that makes your establishment unique? ------------------------------------------- Silly idea...using that eight foot television screen... Any way of hooking up Internet and setting up Web links to access sports Web sites or local sports teams/individuals web pages? I've been reading a little bit how the little guy (ie. an athlete) may end up usurping the big guy (ie. League owners with television broadcast rights) providing content. And the presumption here being.. you HAVE local talent that your customers like to keep current on as well. If no such Web sites exist locally... create one. And make the content 'workable' for an eight foot television screen. You could have some kind of dynamic interaction on this site. I dunno.. photos... instant replays.. online trivia.. contests.. And don't give me that "but people will go HOME and watch this web site." Hey.. people have TELEVISIONS at home too. But they come to your establishment to watch t.v. THERE, don't they? Just a thought. ------------------------------------------------- Okay... another silly idea. Fine. You say you don't want to alter the current clientele? You don't wanna end up with wrestling fans - whatever that means -- in the bar? Well, this is all about promotion, isn't it? I mean, promoting so people will see your advertising and come IN your place, right? So simply sponsor or create a wrestling-related event. (a "Throw in the towel" shindig) Tobacco companies aren't tennis players but they promote tennis events. So think in reverse. Create or promote a 'wrestling-related event' or simply a bar-b-que / wrestling movie night (rent a regular theatre) / or 'wrestler's - theme dance at the local high school. (every comes dress as their fave wrestling persona) I mean.. set it UP... don't just throw money at it so someone ELSE does it. Every prize, every admission ticket to the theatre, every hot dog napkin... has your club's name on it. Or a coupon or a two-for-one. Anything. So you grab a mindshare of some wrestling fans. AND the mindshare of some football fans who also happen to be at these rather broadly based regular functions. This idea meanders a bit. But there might be some components to it that could spark your thinking. -------------------------------------- Why not take advantage of your newness? Ask your current patrons what promotions they have liked in the past? Turn it into a contest. Ask them to comment on or critique an old idea AND ask for a new one. Again, this could be part of a Web site you create. Create a sense of community about a particular establishment.. IN the establishment.. and OUTSIDE the establishment. Why is it we reserve customer opinion polls for things like new kinds of hand cream? Lord, you have a regular clientele in there who are already semi-"hooked" on your place. Find out why THEY come to your place now. Find out why they might come to your place more OFTEN. Or suggest to their friends that they populate your establishment. To sound a bit brusque, why is it that management talk to other management about solutions when two of the best sources of new ideas are staring them in the face: current customers and current staff. Travel in the same loop, you end up with the same ideas.. over and over and over again. Go ask a librarian why she might come to your club. Ask a shoe salesman. Break out of your normal circle of influence and ask a direct question to the very people you want IN your place. All this talk about drink discounts and wet teeshirt contests to cater to the lowest common demoninator.. how limited. (I don't mean those ideas don't have their places.. but they need freshening up) Here's a silly idea: Go to a local orange juice manufacturer/distributor and discuss a cross promotion. Get the customer to BUY.. in any store.. a one serving container of orange juice.. have the customer BRING that container of juice INTO your establishment and you'll make them a mixed drink with it at some special price. You could do cross-promotions with the orange juice company in some fashion and the customer.. again.. there's that added bit of engaging or involving the customer in the purchase process.. gets a little more involved in something SPECIFIC to your establishment. And even if they buy the juice today and don't come into your establishment.. today... you've started them thinking about you in a place where you usually don't exist.. any store or convenience store that sells orange juice. Maybe even for a short time, the orange juice manufacturer could package or label these orange juice containers with a label that refers to your establishment (and no left over ashtrays with the liquor companies name on it) Mindshare. You're working on getting a piece of it. What to do think Bill Gates is all about? ----------------------------- The results show that contrary to popular belief that a single online solution for promotion and distribution of music is no substitute for localized efforts to gain popularity. Should I believe that? Or not? Am I simply hearing the old models at work? ------------------------------ Would this cover a men's night out but get the ladies there too? A Sadie Hawkin's night? A Sadie Hawkins 'dance', as I recall, is where the girl does the asking. Generally, that just means the girl asks the guy to DANCE. You could advertise that there would be a Sadie Hawkins night and the guys would get the impression there would be a lot of girls who would come cos the girls liked the idea of 'being the ones who ask.' And promoting this idea would potentially add a level of security for the women who come and do this. (As always, being the good barkeeps that you are, you'd keep an eye on all this activity.) The point being: you are promoting 'the obvious.' (I'm sure lots of girls these days 'ask the guy.') And for every five guys, say, the girl asked to dance, she could buy one of them a free drink. You could hand her a card at the beginning of the evening to fill out. (A dance card) I'm sure there are some caveats to this whole idea but it might prove interesting to try. You could even turn it into a weekly special and ask outside groups (perhaps a predominantly woman's group) to sponsor or help promote a night. You are targeting an audience of women who KNOW one another so they would feel a little more comfortable showing up at a Sadie Hawkins night and the guys would be flattered as hell. Just a thought. -------------------------------------------- In keeping with the 'cigar and martini' night, how about a 'gin and chocolate night'? I'm sure you have some local chocolatier who'll come in on this promotion. We have a local one here called Casteleyn's. They make Belgian chocolate in-house and they are just to die for! And it doesn't have to be gin, it could be anything that is complementary to a chocolate. Or how about a gummi checkers night? You could approach a local candy manufacturer about some kind of gummi shaped checker or similar item that they already have in stock (in two or more flavours) and they could get in on the promo as well. Gummis are not very expensive, each partipant could purchase a set or two of gummis to play with and a guy and girl could play each other. Again, the guy/girl pairing could be rewarded in some way, say, buy two full gummi checker sets (one full set has checkers for both players), get a half set for free. Granted, you end up with a bunch of people with 'half-sets.' This encourages them to go in search of another player who has an extra set as well. Neat,huh? Invest in some nice checkerboards or again, approach someone to 'create' these checkerboards and have them in on the promotion as well. If you can think of a good 'food' checkerboard, you could make one of some kind of food too though that might prove a bit fiddly as you need the checker squares. Most people know how to play checkers, it can be a fairly fast game, it would make a good ice breaker and when you jump your opponents checker, you get to eat their gummis. Sigh.. I'm sure "May I eat your gummis" will take on a whole new connotation but that's the fun of it, I guess. laugh. --------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Feb 14 21:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16911 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 02:48:07 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 02:48:07 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000214204807.0090c100@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:48:07 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Music sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" www.indiestore.com www.farmclub.com www.garageband.com www.earbuzz.com www.theorchard.com www.musicbuilder.com www.emusic.com www.soundthreads.com www.ubl.com www.iuma.com www.amp3.com www.killpopradio.com www.songs.com www.musesmuse.com www.indie-music.com www.flatlandsmusic.com www.indiepool.com - Patrick Matiowski www.theorchard.com Jack Straw Foundation From ???@??? Tue Feb 15 14:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 13448 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 20:08:31 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 20:08:31 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000215140831.009095e0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:08:31 -0600 To: Hey there.. From: Heather Subject: Log analysis apps and AOL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've come across an interesting post from a person on A List Apart. Comments? -------------------------------- . . . . : : : NEW THREAD : : : ----------------------------------------------------------- Log file analysis woes ----------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: Log file analysis woes (AOL proxy nightmare) FROM: Dana Adams I've been having one heck of a time gathering accurate, quantifiable data on visitor traffic for my clients. Using log entries and commercial software, AOL users appear to garner an inordinate amount of the total traffic to my client's sites. Being the skeptical fellow I am, I decided to do a little research and I've discovered an alarming problem. Below is a link to an AOL subset of the raw log entries from my server (dating from October to February). The traffic on my server is reasonably light, so hand analysis is a little easier. It seems that an AOL user can appear with as many as 13 unique IPs - perhaps more - in a single session! I also noticed a different sort of IP identifier for some of the AOL entries, these seem to be quite stable for the user session. I suspect, after looking at the user agent, that these more normal entries are because the user has launched a regular browser, as opposed to the AOL built-in browser - in fact I'm confident of this analysis. It appears that Web Trends is not even aware of this (at least their analysis software isn't) And a search of their knowledge base for AOL returned no results - a similar search of altavista.com and deja.com did not disclose any discussion of this problem. I then decided to run a modified log file through the Web Trends software, and sure enough the data for AOL users was significantly out of whack. The report simply did not jibe with hand analysis I performed beforehand - in fact my neural net determined 17 unique user sessions while Web Trends reported 44. If anyone is using Web Trends to generate traffic report to their clients, you could be significantly overstating activity. I've used Analog and a few other tools for similar analyses - all report AOL traffic data incorrectly. Am I the only one who is seeing a very naked emperor? The wider community of web builders should be made aware of this - if they haven't already taken notice - perhaps slashdot.org would be a good place to start. I would think we either need a reliable way to identify an AOL visitor as one person, or expose AOL publicly so they feel enough heat to change their identifiers to be in line with the rest of the ISP community. I can understand the concept of proxy servers and the need to balance the load, but I can't imagine why they can't assign a unique ID to the proxy users - just like they do for AOL connected NN or IE users. Thoughts on all of this would be greatly appreciated. http://www.studiowerks.com/aol.log (973K bytes) From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 13:57:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 25662 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 19:33:23 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 19:33:23 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000216133323.00909100@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:33:23 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Don't quite get the * ones - Check these out: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" **1) RealThings Stock Exchange - There are the traditional stock market and commodities exchanges that trade stocks, bonds, futures and the like; and bandwidth spot exchanges for Internet bandwidth. How about an exchange that traded on all other things, from shares of stock sales to a company's customers (also known as a direct public offering or DPO); all the way to trading actual services themselves, in real-time. For example, utility services (water, gas, electricity); cableTV services; free spaces in airlines, trucks; and a whole lot more. These may go complete with these categories' ticker symbols and rates, etc. From ???@??? Fri Jan 14 18:43:16 2000 To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: A fictitious Music site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: And riddle me this. How about a completely fictitious musician Web site? Create a musician. (We supply the music, songs and voices of course) But we do it with a number of 'fake' personas. Isn't that what a lot of people tend to even do in email? Create these "idealized" personas for themselves? That's why the net is what it is, presently, in some cases. Low esteemed types creating "themselves".. on the net. Yanno? I still remember someone describing how in the music industry there are probably a ton of people who sing like Whitney Houston. But one of them has big ears or one of them is a bit plump. As in.. they don't fit the 'physical' record industry profile. (and don't kid yourself.. the record industry decides what you will listen to. Do you realize just how many artists get lost in the shuffle on the road to becoming famous?) So how about.. we CREATE a persona? We don't HAVE to have this person tour. For my current experiences in the music area, I sense people prefer listening to 'canned' or jukebox or MP3 (now) music anyway. They can't be bothered listening to a musician in a club. They are cocooning.. sweet little yuppies and sons of yuppies that they are. So let's 'give em what they want.' And maybe sell the MP3s. Or just see where this idea goes. We can use our marketing and writing skills to promote these personas or fill up the site with content for each artist. (Again, this helps us to practice internet marketing, whatever the outcome. Like my doing that Twoonies site.) We can even let people know that we are DOING this and ask them for their 'perfect musician type' that we can create (or THEY can help create). We could even have a few GENIUNE musicians in this bunch like that Ainsley kid I mentioned, as an example. Six and half a dozen, is my thinking. The big issue on the net right now is 'promotion.' There is PLENTY of talent out there. And people sure seem to like to get involved with the process of fandom and artists and musicians and such. I was reading over the forums of a Sarah Brightman fan club that sounded like a religious group. It was a little strange. They talked like they owned her. They talked about how it was GOOD that she wasn't getting TOO famous.. they wouldn't want her to get TOO famous.. so they could still find her accessible at concerts and such. Yet, they were also pissed cos she was being "snubbed" or overlooked in the music industry. It then led to catcalls about comparable artists. I never realized people did this sort of thing when it came to musicians. It was really weird. But think of it. Letting the fans.. CREATE the artist they 'fan' over. Laugh. I even find it strange that everyone is currently making such a big thing over "Nabster" - an application for downloading MP3s of current favourite artists. Lord, look at all the musicians who are filling the landscape out there on those MP3.com sites. I'm SURE.. given the caliber of musicianship in the world today.. that you could easily find a David Bowie or two to listen to in that bunch. And currently, they are letting you LISTENING to the whole of their MP3s. Yet people are back there with the record industry-dictated musicians.. grabbing up old Beatles MP3s. Weird. The more we move forward, the move you reach back, eh? Look at all the fan Web sites and forums who drool over their current faves. Even the comics world types do fan fiction based on the character of a popular comic book character. The Star Wars or Indiana Jones novel syndrome, yanno? We could have anyone contribute to this. A regular joe contributing to this: a fan or musician could help to 'create' their ultimate 'fave.' I mean, isn't that what porn is all about? Fantasizing about your dream fuck? (If you'll excuse the expression) I recently read about some guy who is paying young, pretty girls tidy sums of money to follow them around with a camera on a 24 hour basis and this will be broadcast to the panting male masses on the net? Giving the fuckers what they want.. it seems. On one level, how sad. Removing reality from an act of intimacy.. as lovemaking should be. But obviously there is a tidy sum of people out there that either need or want this. Interesting. Comments welcome. And frustrated artists who DON'T look like Whitney Houston but sound like her.. can create a 'ghost musician' Web site? I was thinking of calling a musical Web site like this "Keep Frozen" or "Frozen Rose." Cos that's the way we SEE music actually. And videos. And films. And perfect frozen moments in time. Perfect frozen roses of perfection. Thoughts? What d'ya think? H From ???@??? Sun May 23 17:16:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27038 invoked from network); 23 May 1999 21:26:14 -0000 Received: from f256.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.147) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 May 1999 21:26:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20618 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 1999 21:25:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990523212522.20617.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 158.121.6.115 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:25:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [158.121.6.115] From: "It's Touch" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: peoms (remnants of a series which is not-yet) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:25:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; whok. I couldn't find the one of the series (which is not-yet) which I wanted to send you, so here's an old one I translated into french for my take-home test last semester. (I thought you'd like the translation. .. ) dans la froideur obscur c'est vingt-trois heures: Je regarde vers le sud, et je m'appui contre la grande fraîcheure de la fenêtre panoramique que ma mère veut changer en la fenêtre en saille la ville est derrière mon épaule gauche et à travers la maison, c'est à trois kilomètres environ d'ici quand même, elle teinte la nuit avec violette et rose la neige qui est fâché lutte à l'exterieur: Je réfléchis si quelqu'un sait qu'il fait plus froid et plus obscur dedans. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From ???@??? Thu Jul 29 14:24:35 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 9756 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Received: from f277.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.168) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5887 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 17:26:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729172653.5886.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.145.207.50 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:26:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.145.207.50] From: "It's Touch" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Now, you see, Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:26:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have this little package. And in it, I promise to send you this poem via email -- and so, I'm sending it via email, and I just need to know. . . is it still cool for me to send you stuff at Armchair? Because I have that address -- I looked and looked on Tuesday but couldn't seem to find the email (I THINK you sent me it) with your apartment's address in it. (*) This Space Available You could put an X here. You could draw a picture of a horse. You could write a tract, manifesto -- but keep it short. You could wail, whine, rail or polysyllable celebrate. You could fill this space with one syllable: praise. The only requirement, the anti-poet said, is to improve upon the blank page, which, if you are not made blind by ego, is a hard task. You could write some numbers here. You could write your name, and dates. You could leave a thumbprint, or paint your lips and kiss the page. A hard task -- the blank so creamy, a cold and perfect snowfield upon which a human, it's only human, wants to leave his inky black and awkward marks. Thomas Lux ( I don't know if this fits whitespace, or is it's antithesis, or is some[interprative]where in between.) Allison! (*) God how french class has warped me -- I have to really concentrate on spelling appartement (I _think_ that's how it's spelled by Francophones, who do not count me amongst their numbers) the American way. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 22 21:00:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 20227 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2000 00:10:55 -0000 Received: from mo.egroups.com (207.138.41.166) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 Jan 2000 00:10:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-talk-return-636-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.126] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2000 00:08:10 -0000 Received: (listserv $); by f8; 23 Jan 2000 00:08:10 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28123 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2000 00:07:43 -0000 Received: from f94.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.94) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2000 00:07:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 69472 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2000 00:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000123000743.69471.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.61.164.147 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:07:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.61.164.147] From: "Jane Roth" To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:07:43 EST Mailing-List: contact musicians-talk-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-talk@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-talk] Re: JASON EAVES "SMELLINDAISY" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really don't want to be in your music group any longer sorre >From: EAVESBAND@aol.com >Reply-To: musicians-talk@egroups.com >To: cbd@tnco.net, jimmy.rosamond@P, paul@berber.org, MADAMCB@aol.com, >billyhuppert@lisco.compete@shuteyerecords.com, rambo1@zebramusic.com (Steve >V), patsygrist@iuno, MOORETUNES@aol.com, Semtex50@aol.com, >Nedradio@aol.com, ONEHITSONG@aol.com, Mcveyent@aol.com, Smdaisy01@aol.com, >TzDa@webtv.net (Samtana C.), chris@nysounds.com (NYSOUNDS.COM), >gypsymusic@juno.com (Ken and Kathy Baley), kemilla@mindspring.com (Kemilla >Walthour), Jmarz2000@aol.com, beverly@texas.net (beverly young), >DF_777777@webtv.net (f f), "canynlnd@lasal.net"@gj.net (Talauna Olsen), >paulnagy@paulnagy.com (Paul Nagy), retro7@cwix.com (D EVANS), >r_neller_trumpets@yahoo.com (Rick Neller), leblanc@rose.net (Joe & Yvette >Leblanc), taryn_s@hotmail.com (Taryn S.), Mavkav@aol.com, >bonesholiday75@webtv.net (Jason Anderson), angelburst@yahoo.com (di >blount), stefanie_15@goplay.com (Stephanie Hancock), cebens@hotmail.com >(CeBens), thetomorrowpeople@yahoo.com (Darrel Herbert), mswartz@tir.com >dreamer@brokersys.comI LOVE YA9 (Marla Swartz), KimmieWagner@aol.com, >KnightEntities@aol.com, Mwiboss8@aol, vlvongemmingen@iname.com, >BCRoadmanager@aol.com, raptorentertainment@email.com (David G Komatz), >not4nuthin@yahoo.com, Ianbruce7@aol.com, Teaves@lisco.com, HHEmail@aol.com, >info@rockuniverse.com, musicians-talk@egroups.com, munsonk@news.dmreg.com, >democrat@interl.net, JEAVES3@aol.com >Subject: [musicians-talk] JASON EAVES "SMELLINDAISY" >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:24:07 EST > >HI ALL, > >Well > > Just wanted to let everyone know the new musician line-up is just >about >complete.i am currently preparing to showcase our stuff!!!!! we have a >sound >that is absolutely awesome.i cant wait to show all of you. > i will send you more info very soon, and i will also send you all a >copy of our mag review as soon as it comes out.those of you i have promised >promo stuff to please dont give up on me , i have been very busy.if any of >you know of any good shows coming up,let me know ....we have open dates! > > >until next time. keep jammin!!! > >JASON EAVES > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >For the fastest and easiest way to backup your files and, access them from >anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance to win a >digital camera. >http://click.egroups.com/1/337/1/_/18143/_/948583739/ > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=musicians-talk&m=1 > > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For the fastest and easiest way to backup your files and, access them from anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance to win a digital camera. http://click.egroups.com/1/337/1/_/18143/_/948586090/ eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/musicians-talk/ http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From ???@??? Sun Aug 29 23:47:55 1999 To: Jeffrey From: Heather Subject: Elophant Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Okay jeff.. here's a concept. I just thought of it. It combines some elements I've been trying to find a way to combine. Give me some thoughts, when you have a chance. I am going to have two web sites. One is called Natural Air. I will come back to that in future but the idea being I've covered all age ranges. The Natural Air site will be for adults. It will be more to do with buying things for starters, more of an e-commerce, lifestyle site but it will incorporate some of the subjects that the other site will have. The other site will be for kids. Dave asked me to write three stories for Elophant - our kids web site. I have a medium-sized stuffed elephant I take digital pictures of. I call him Elliot O. Phant. I will start with him and write kids stories about his adventures. I started this afternoon, working on a framework for the kid's stories. I have now rested and thought of a few more layers. You, as usual are acting as my sounding board. Smile. Thanks. I really appreciate having someone to talk to this way. You are a good friend, ya know? Okay.. here's the concept. Dave said to incorporate two elements to any site I build. Build something that will draw traffic, ergo draw advertisers or build a product that people will pay to have or use. I am working on ways to have these two elements incorporated into Elophant. Feedback is appreciated. I was going to write a kids' level line of stories - I dunno, ages 6 - 12. Relatively early aged stories. But here are a few places where I am gonna grab my synthesis of an idea from: 1. A t.v. show about a real-life dog who talks aloud. (to the audience, if I remember; I can't remember if he talked to the people in the show) The details are a little fuzzy but I think they had the dog pretend he was different famous people sorta.. Sherlock Holmes or a Sherlock-like character. The point is the dog had adventures in a fantasy time and in a real time (I think sometimes there were stories with his real owners. This allows a lot of latitude) There was this underlying element of teaching kids to learn about history and to read. 2. A t.v. show with two guys.. real brothers, I think; who showed us about a lot of things, mostly animals, I think. The pace was fast and the guys both had a great deal of fun. They really ENJOYED themselves, yanno? This show teaches kids about nature, animals, the environment, science, I'm probably forgetting something. 3. I know there's also Ben Nye, the science guy and there was another science show too. Both were pretty crazy. I'm not saying I want to go that root but I do know science for kids has become popular. Why not? It's all knowledge. 4. Remember the Young Indiana Jones series with the two different aged Indiana Jones? That was a classic piece of entertainment AND educational television. Too bad nobody bought it. I liked the way Indiana Jones would run into famous people. It was the first time I think I saw a kids sorta show where the kid would truly experience the EMOTION of the time. I remember one on Indy learning about Jazz from George Gershin, I think, and being in war, and meeting Albert Schweitzer. I was really moved by those stories. I thought they were really well done. I'm not suggesting I want to go THAT far as this was more a young adult kind of show. I THINK I will stick to a kidsview view til I find my writing voice on such things. I want it to sound geniune. I think it's an art to write for teens. Without sounding silly or contrived, yanno? What else? 5. Well, there's always the H.G. Wells classic, The Time Machine. I will think about incorporating either a time machine element or simply have stories told to the elephant or other animals by older people or something. I want to try to have a first-person experience so the kids can identify with it. That's why I think I thought the Young Indiana Jones worked so well. But stories of that age are a little more complex. I'm not sure I'm ready for that.. that in-between age of writing.. not quite for adults, but no longer for little kids. 6. Curious George. Do you remember him? There was a series of storybooks a milion years ago that were quite popular. It was about a monkey who was owned by a professor or teacher or something and he was always getting into trouble. I think that concept has seen a long run in kids stories, I think I can use it okay. I can also start looking at current kids books some more to get ideas in that area. (which fills one interest of mine which has been kids books. Boink!) 7. Lara of the local Business improvement business - BIA - is a summer student who's taking rural development at Assiniboine College. She is also coordinating a kids day we have as part of a two day Pickle Festival. Yes, a pickle festival. I guess there are a lot of people who like pickles in Brandon. Laugh. Anyway, I talked to her in early days and also asked her what she'd be interested in working on, if she got involved in a Web site. She seems to be an environmentalist. And doing the kid fest makes me see she likes kids. This would be a PERFECT idea to cover her interests. She has a few classmates who have done a xeriscape.. it's to do with sustainable growing methods. So I get the feeling she's pretty gung ho on stuff like this. She definitely said she was interested in doing something, when she has time, of course. She's off to her second year in the fall. The BIA itself (though I've only talked to Lara) is a group who promote the downtown core. Getting them involved in this would be good. It would be a good promotion aspect for Brandon downtown as well. And give me an excuse to be talking to these people in a lower pressure situation that JUST "ya wanna buy an ad?" I still plan to do other related writing but this would be a good buy in the way the volunteer agencies aspect of VolunteerBase is a good buy in. People are into volunteering in this country these days. I see a lot of businesses promoting cause-related agencies to boost their profile. It's nothing new, I think it's just with all this environmental issue stuff and save the whale.. etc.. more people are into it, yanno? 8. People are into taking care of animals. There are a lot of shows on these days about doing that, I imagine. (I saw a book with "Radar" - Garry Burgoff (sp) from M.A.S.H. who was on cover about animal care. Remember how Radar was into animals? I imagine that's why they asked him to do the series on pet care - which I'm ASSUMING there was; I didn't see it.) We could involve the local animal care agencies and help promote proper care of animals and misuse of animals by providing education on such manner. The Pickle Festival is having a DASH tent where kids bring their animals for 'medical' treatments to learn about going to a hospital, throwing out expired medicine (they've asked people to bring in old bottles) and taking care of pets. A good idea. Okay. Those are some sources I will draw from. Here's what I want to incorporate: 1. Travel Travel and tourism in Manitoba (or around the world). I can have this creature or his friends travel around Manitoba.. for real or virtually. I can solicit travel and tourism information from all around Manitoba and of course, Brandon. There's a big push on at the government level for helping the tourism industry in Manitoba. I'm not sure why but who knows?.. maybe I can solicit a grant or something to help do tourism pieces and promote Manitoba and Brandon. The main thing being, we can TRAVEL anywhere.. even where YOU live.. and have the animals be tourists of a sort. There's the travel angle we've talk about in the past. AND, what _I_ like is we have a little more interaction that a damn slide show.. the creatures having an adventure there or being given a real tour or something. And we make it KID-palatable, so kids will want to drag their parents to visit this place. 2. The characters can be reporters or writers or just curious animals who go to different places and do different things. I can ask ANYONE with a business or topic or hobby to allow the animal to visit them. I can take pictures of the animal visiting them. Again, I can make it KID-palatable and have a positive spin on it, the way I want to do those BestViewed articles on local businesses, artists, experts, volunteer agencies. I don't know if I mentioned BestViewed. The idea was to write stories to promote these people and to write the story/article from the same point of view the OWNER would want to give to it. I don't WANT to do reviews of restaurants. Leave that to critics. I want to PROMOTE business ergo helping to promote my OWN, hopefully. Dave keeps talking about asking people for money to do this. I agree. But initially, I have to WRITE a bunch of articles for other potential customers to see. It add content to any site, including this one, allows me to practice reporting and being a journalist of sorts and to take digital pictures, too. Do what you love, the money will follow, they say. I'm going to. I think that's an interesting way to engage the help of other people. And it serves as an informational kind of thing instead of hard-core "buy this, visit this place, do this." 3. I was in Walmart talking to a friend of Dave Polo's. Another friend of Dave Voorhis' (yes, everyone here is named 'Dave.') I don't know if she would help me but I got this idea standing talking to her in the toy department where she works part-time. Have a kid "review of toys" site on Elophant.. say... What I thought was, we approach Walmart, cos they're big and ask them to allow us to promote this idea with them being the main store for buying kids' toys (which wouldn't be hard). We get this lady or another salesperson to hand out a coupon or flyer or something (maybe even Walmart will throw in a discount if they SUBMIT a review - not UNTIL then) to ask people who are considering buying toys or will be buying toys to rate them for the Christmas rush and submit reviews to our web site. Actually, we don't have to stick with Walmart but I figure go to them FIRST cos if they catch wind of it they may simply try to copy us. They may try to copy us ANYWAY.. but if we position it as 'help promote this Brandon area web site idea".. they may help us out. Again we are back to that sorta of volunteer, public service, look good helping the community crap that so many businesses use to solicit business. Yup, I'm doing it too. Smile. 8. People like teddy bears. They are big business. I have also seen runs on prehistoric animals, fish, owls, cows, etc. You name it, there's a person with a hundred of them. I saw a computer geek who finished UNIVERSITY at 18. He started when he was 14 and apparently skipped high school. A brain, obviously. He is into COWS. He had a website on them. Laugh. Simply a case in point. MY thought is go elephant. I bet you have seen a few elephants around as well, so start digging up elephant stuff okay? Any kind, okay? I would LOVE the idea of having a European tie-in on this concept. We could get kids involved with kids in other countries too. I think that is what the Internet should be about. So, okay, we'd start by writing to each other about our ELEPHANTS. Laugh. It might be fun. What do you think? Laugh. Actually, I've overlooked the kids in other countries angle. I think THAT would be excellent. I STILL personally don't feel we ... know enough.. about what goes on in other countries.. simply our own.. which is kinda nuts, yanno? 9. And of course, there's merchandising. If this catches on in any way, we get locals... possibly to create elephants for us. And maybe elephant accessories. Laugh. Am I nuts or what? This elephant I have is a Gund, I think. I would imagine I might even be breaking some law by using him in a picture. I will check into this. But actually, we could always DRAW the animals. It's just Dave has this whole wack of beanies (compliments of me among others) that we could use to photograph around town in storie about different animals. But I still remember talking to a woman at The General Store in the Brandon Mall. People are CRAZY for beanies. Perhaps, we can come up with a merchandising angle for this. Of course, THEN we'd have to get an original elephant. We couldn't make money off the elephant I have, it's someone elses. By the same token, there's nothing wrong with telling the local stores to simply buy elephants - stuffed or whatever.. and we could promote ELEPHANTS. laugh. Til we get our OWN toy. Why not, eh? Look at Star Wars. laugh. And THAT, we could sell over the internet. Hmm.. there ya go.. element two.. selling a product.. Anyway.. I bet I've forgetten something but I have to go. I'm trying not to stay up late anymore. I will print this out and look at it. If you think of stuff to add let me know. And start collecting all your travel stories and ideas. We could incorporate them. I just printed this out. Six pages. Lord! And I know I missed some stuff like the "environmental" issue. Big hug. Talk to you. Heather From ???@??? Fri Dec 31 10:55:35 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 28172 invoked from network); 31 Dec 1999 15:15:06 -0000 Received: from outmta009.topica.com (206.132.75.221) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Dec 1999 15:15:06 -0000 To: musenews@topica.com From: Jodi Krangle Subject: Issue 2.10 - January 2000 - The Muse's News Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: <0.300000242.404069803-951758591-946653253@topica.com> Reply-To: jodi@musesmuse.com X-Loop: 300000242 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ T h e M u s e ' s N e w s ~~ An E-zine For And About Songwriters. ** Over 3300 Subscribers! ** Issue 2.10 January 2000 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I n T h i s I s s u e : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @-- Editor's Musings @-- Q&A with Nancy A. 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Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E d i t o r ' s M u s i n g s : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi everyone! First of all, I'd like to wish you all a very wonderful holiday season and the happiest of New Years ever. A lot has happened here at The Muse's Muse over the last year and I'm hoping things will simply continue to grow as they have been. It would be absolutely impossible for me to make any predictions but that much, I'd be happy with. ;-) Thank you so much for all of your support and contributions over the last year. They've been greatly appreciated. Hopefully this newsletter and the improvements in the web site have helped you find your muse a little more easily. Once again, this is a long issue - but I hope you'll enjoy it despite the amount of time it takes to download. There's a new feature here called the Song Spotlight & Critique and I hope you'll take a moment to read about it and participate. I think it could be really great for all of us. It's in its beginning stages and will probably take some refining as time passes, but I hope to have made a good start. Our winner of this month's book raffle, Jason Blume's 6 STEPS TO SONGWRITING SUCCESS, is Christine Baxter of Victoria, BC. Congratulations Christine! To be absolutely honest, I'm not sure what next month's book give-away will be - but I promise it'll be a good one. :) There is currently no book review scheduled for next month. If you have a book that you would like to have considered for a review, feel free to e-mail me at editor@musesmuse.com so that we can talk about it. And that's about it. I hope you enjoy this issue and that your New Year is a happy, healthy & prosperous one. See you next century! --Jodi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C o p y r i g h t & P u b l i s h i n g Q & A : with Nancy A. Reece of Carpe Diem Copyright Management ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How do I publish,my own songs under my own name? -- Tracie ------------- Thank you for writing Tracie: If you created the work in its entirety and have not previously assigned the copyrights to another party then you remain the owner of the entire work. The traditional pie cutting of "writer's share" "publisher's share" refers only to specific arrangements with the assignment of copyrights. It can be very good for a songwriter to create his or her own publishing company as a separate business, then sign themselves and/or their works into that publishing company. This may help with estate planning or even in the future selling of the entire catalogue. For most, the advantage is more in the book keeping of the business expenses. Refer to other articles on this site on proper registration of copyrights. If you need further assistance in the creation of a publishing company to hold your works, please let me know. --Nancy ------------- Hi Nancy, Can you point me in the right direction for how to copyright and publish songs using a pseudonym (like Lotta Soul, etc), and what legal ramifications/drawbacks there are to this? Thank You -- Scott H. ------------- Thank you for writing Scott: You can not copyright a title or name. To secure these things requires Trade Marks or Service Marks. You can work with a trade mark counsel to consider different areas of registration. Conducting the searches in those markets for previous use can be about $400 per search. That's just to see if someone hasn't already secured the TM or SM at the time of the report. You have to be ready to proceed with the filing, which can be expensive as well, depending on the price of your counsel and the quantity of areas you'd like to register. If you conduct the search and then delay the filing even a few weeks, you run the risk of needing to research again as someone may have scooped up the name in the interim. If you use a registered trademark in a lyric then you run the risk of the trademark owner filing a cease order. Tina Turner's private dance for example; the lyric says "American Express will do nicely, thank you".. The sound recording owner (Record Label) and Publisher of the work had to settle with American Express to avoid having to recut the song. If you really must use the trade mark in a song, it is smart to get permission. You never know, if it is a product mentioned, you may have someone fall in love with the idea to use in in advertising. You do always run a risk however of needing to rewrite, so keep all these factors in mind. Finally, keep in mind the parody rules that may make it possible for you to use trademarks and servicemarks without risk. Also, public figures can be fair game as long as you are careful of libel issues. As always...talk to your attorney. I recommend King & Ballow in Nashville, TN - http://www.king-ballow.com - Nells Jacobson is an excellent Trademark counsel there. --Nancy. ---------------------------------------------------------- New Questions & Answers for December 1999 can be found at: http://www.musesmuse.com/pub-december99.html ---------------------------------------------------------- ***** Carpe Diem's owner and president, Nancy A. Reece has been involved in the music business since 1983. She was the president of an independent advertising agency for eight years as well as a successful personal artist manager for nine years. She represented the careers of several recording artists and songwriters including those with EMI, Zomba and Liberty Records as well as Benson, Starsong, WoodBridge, Temple Hall and N'Soul Records. She also represented, for a number of years, a Grammy and Dove nominated record producer. Reece has won awards of excellence in print magazine advertising and has been named as one of 2,000 Notable American Women (1995) as well as being listed in the International Who's Who of Professional and Business Women (1993). She was also named Cashbox Magazine's Promoter of the Year (1989). **If you would like to ask Nancy a copyright or publishing question for our continuing Q&A section, please send your e-mail to nreece@musesmuse.com. She can't guarantee she'll get to all of the questions, but she'll certainly try.** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M u s i c R e v i e w s : by Ben Ohmart ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Krystal - Three Chords and a Song Don't be fooled by the title. More than 3 chords here. Many more. It's like comparing the blues to Foreigner. In fact, the band reminds me a bit of Foreigner - maybe the guitar - but no one else will say that. See, the lead voice is that throat-scratchy, loud mouth that sings very well in Hard rock. Krystal nicely bridges the gap between pop, rock and hard rock. As one who doesn't listen to hard rock, I can take this stuff fine. The band is selling nicely, I'm informed, on amazon.com and I'm glad. They rock. In the rockest sense of the word. Just listen to 'Bad n' No Good' if you don't believe me. Forget Guns n Roses, remember the Krystal. www.krystal.qc.ca krystal@krystal.qc.ca --------------- Sianna Lyons - Songland Minimalist pop? Gothic romantic? Whatever you call it, if you're into women whispering, you'll dig 'Disappear'. And 'We' sounds like a lover's gift to her lover. A romantic song, homemade, playing in the background. 'I adore you. There was no innocence before you'. '11th Hour' has lead vocals through a radio filter. 'how long can we stay strong in a world that's gone so wrong?' Good question. A pretty, though slightly dismal ballad with an odd guitar solo. Could the guitar have been produced on keyboard, or what is that? Some lovely moments here. If you're into the production of Queen, you won't like this cd. It's more intimate, more love-to-love, more small club than disco club. I recommend it to those who like secrets whispered in their ears. www.siannalyons.com --------------- OTHER NEW MUSIC REVIEWS SINCE LAST MONTH INCLUDE: Crying Out Loud - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-col.html Ramiro Medina - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-medina.html Pope Jane - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-popejane.html Dropout - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-dropout.html Josh Bloomberg - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-bloomberg.html Caliban - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-caliban.html Robert Burke Warren - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-rbw.html The Birth Of Neon Venus - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-neonvenus.html The Cry Ugly - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-cryugly.html Goodtime Rush House - http://www.musesmuse.com/mrev-grh.html --------------- ****** Ben Ohmart has had 100s of stories and poems in zines and journals, and had 4 plays produced last year. His lyrics will be on 2 CDs this year, 1 a gothic album, the other a rock album. He's currently writing films, with hopes of having one done in Malaysia soon, and is also trying to break into the prison of television. He's white, 26, single and loves British comedy. He lives in Boalsburg, PA, and enjoys watching rabbits eat his garbage. Contact him at: ohmart@musesmuse.com **Ben has kindly consented to do music reviews for this publication and also for The Muse's Muse itself. If you have an independently released CD that you'd like to get reviewed, send it off to: Ben Ohmart, P O Box 750, Boalsburg, PA 16827, or drop by his Music Reviews web section at http://www.musesmuse.com/musicreviews.html for more details.** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ F e a t u r e d A r t i c l e : THE ADVENTURES OF USTAD GLOBAL LOOPMASTER YAHOO IN THE 21ST CENTURY - by Matthew Montfort, who is in the story. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It was 4:15 A.M., Halloween, in the year 2038. The esteemed Ustad Global Loopmaster Yahoo (UGLY) had just put the finishing touches on the new MTV-NET streaming home theater surround sound release for his latest world groove dance mix, which was going live on the MTV-NET Avatar Ball at 6 P.M.. He was really proud of this new release. He had even hired the best in the business to do the plastic surgery for his latest image. He could afford it with his new Microsoft Music sponsorship. The free downloads of the last UGLY release had made it number one on the net music chart, and Microsoft Music was throwing money around to buy the top charting artists. Music was free on the net. That's what consumers demanded. So the only way to make a living as an artist was to sell a high ranking download site to a corporate sponsor. And Microsoft Music was the best! Sponsorship by them guaranteed an artist a coveted channel on the Microsoft Music browser in addition to being on the Microsoft payroll. The Artist IPO alone was worth millions if it happened in a bull week on Wallstreet.com. UGLY had arrived at this lofty position because he had a knack for knowing what the fads would be a *full week* before they happened. At the beginning of his career, he had hooked up with a young plastic surgeon who had found a new way to offer the coveted image change operations much cheaper, and UGLY had just the right image a week before it became the rage. His site was a big hit, and his in-store appearances at Borders were SRO because the buzz was that his image was *real* and not just an avatar. People wanted to touch him just to make sure. Borders was the only surviving bricks and mortar international music store because they added a *huge* surround sound holographic theater at every store just when CDs were on the way out. A brilliant stroke that made them the only place people were willing to pay for music. UGLY had become a pioneer in the multinational corporate world dance music movement. He changed his image race every three months, always picking the race that would be "in demand" for that period. His music used vocal samples (translated into all languages) over a knee hop groove (hip hop went out years before, and no one wanted to hear about the very retro sock hop anymore). Yet UGLY was also feeling a little disturbed. He used technology to make music, and had no training in music at all. But he was tired of the music loops in his library. He had no idea how to create from scratch. Yet he was getting a feeling that next week the fad just *had* to have something a little different. Something *not* in his library. Problem was, no one was making new loops, because in 2020 the Microsoft Music marketing department had commissioned a study that found that the audience could only understand three different rhythms anyway. Any deviation from these three was commercial suicide. But now UGLY needed to find someone who still could make music the old fashioned way. This was very hard to do, since music training in the schools had been outlawed a year after the National Endowment for the Arts had been dismantled by President George Bush Jr. in his second term as an act of compassionate conservatism. It was like shooting a horse with a broken leg: the fine arts were just hanging on anyway, and this ended their hopeless struggle. The few people around 30 years later who could remember having musical careers playing real instruments were hard to find. But there was hope. The National Web Archive listing of the first sites on the net, combined with a "where is" search turned up the whereabouts of the leader of the world music group Ancient Future. He was found in a mental institution because he wouldn't quit playing music on real instruments and was deemed insane. He had found a way to play music on the plastic trays institutional food came in. So UGLY posed as a therapist and began making daily visits to the mental institute claiming he could cure any patient of a desire to play real instruments by pretending to learn music from them. Within three days, UGLY had a new groove that was close enough to the three approved grooves not to arouse suspicion, but different enough to be the fad for next week. UGLY was saved. He was able to stay on the charts for the next three years before his ugly little secret experiments with real instruments were found out. An illegal hand drum was found in his apartment by an ATFM (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Musical Instruments) Agent posing as a groupie. UGLY became the 21st Century's first Milli Vanilli: a fraud to virtual reality. He had been caught using a real instrument on one of his songs. His stock plummeted. He lost the Microsoft Music sponsorship, and became a cell mate of his music teacher at the mental institute. ****** Scalloped fretboard guitar pioneer Matthew Montfort is the leader of the world music group Ancient Future. When he is not performing on real instruments, he keeps himself busy as webmaster of http://www.ancient-future.com, giving away hundreds of free mp3 files daily and getting dosed with electromagnetic radiation, which seems to be giving him special powers to see into the future of the music business. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ New! S o n g S p o t l i g h t & C r i t i q u e : ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to try something in honour of this new year's worth of exchanging knowledge. I'd like to get you a little more involved in helping your fellow songwriters improve their craft. How, you ask? Well, it has been suggested to me (by the songwriter of this month's Song Spotlight, in fact) that it might be a good idea to have one or two featured songs per newsletter, include an e-mail address for the songwriter that wrote the song, and then ask you (if you would like to) to offer a critique of the song that might help the songwriter improve it. This isn't an obligation, by any means. It's entirely up to you if you want to respond. But I think it might be a great exercise for all involved. A few things before we begin though: 1) I know you all are a *great* bunch of people, but I do have to mention this anyway. If you don't like a musical style at all or can't see anything at all good in what you're hearing, please don't write a nasty note to the songwriter. That doesn't help anyone and the idea in all this is to give encouragement along with *constructive* criticism. 2) Write to the songwriter directly - but please cc' the message to me at critique@musesmuse.com . That way, if the messages are particularly insightful, I can print them either here in the newsletter, or on the web site. I think that could ultimatey help a lot more people than simply the songwriter in question. 3) If you want to be considered for this sort of a critique and spotlight, please make a suggestion by sending an e-mail to me at critique@musesmuse.com. Send me the link directly to one song's lyrics and a sound sample of that song. The sound sample can be in real audio or MP3. Either will be fine. I do ask that the song be a complete song rather than a "work in progress". I also ask that there be some sort of musical approximation of the song. It doesn't have to be a full-blown demo by any means. It could just be you and your guitar or you and your piano. But I do want to stress that this is a *song* critique and not a *lyric* critique. What that means is that the music becomes as important as the words. The two go together. Complement each other. Enhance one another. I'd love for critiques to talk about the music as much as they talk about the lyrics. And with all this said, here's the first Song Spotlight: ********************* GODBOX - Behind It Lyrics: http://artists.mp3s.com/lyrics/349/349036.html Music: http://www.mp3.com/Godbox Send your critiques to Luana at GODBOX@thefragile.com ********************* This is Luana's first demo and she's interested in hearing what people think. She's also the one that suggested this new section - so I thought she should be the first to benefit from it. :) As mentioned, please send your critiques to her at the above e-mail and cc' them to me at critique@musesmuse.com . Remember that the critiques and words of encouragement sent in to Luana and myself might also be posted either here in the newsletter or on the web site at a later date. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ B o o k R e v i e w : by Jodi Krangle 6 STEPS TO SONGWRITING SUCCESS by Jason Blume http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0823084221/themusesmuseA/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- There are a lot of reasons I was impressed with this book. It's written cleanly, concisely and dispels a lot of common myths about the songwriting process that I, myself, have been under for a long time. The publication itself is a sturdy hard cover filled to the brim with information, ideas and instruction. But much like Harriet Schock's BECOMING REMARKABLE (reviewed in an earlier Muse's News), there's a lot of *heart* here. It's true that this is a book meant to teach people how to be able to write "commercial" songs - but Jason has also managed to make it understood that writing commercial songs doesn't have to mean that you've sold your soul or that you're compromising. Yes, you have to be choosy about a lot of things when you write not only for yourself, but with other people's enjoyment in mind. But no one has pointed out to me quite what "commercial" really means. Jason's book goes that one step (or *several* steps) further. It takes the basic concepts of songwriting and expands upon them to show you, the songwriter, how you can make your songs enjoyable for a lot more people. You can still write from the heart and certainly, you can still write for yourself - but you can increase your odds of *reaching* people too. What makes a hit song? This book takes apart some of the most popular songs of all time and analyzes them with this in mind. What are these songs doing right that you can do in your own songs? Song structure, effective lyric writing, rhyming techniques, how to handle re-writes, melody composition and even writing songs for specialty markets like comedy, children, Christmas songs, etc. - it's all here. That's the sort of thing you'd expect to see in a book of this nature. But Jason goes farther still. There's information about how to produce a successful demo, *mixing* that demo, understanding publishing agreements, and information on how to pitch your songs. Throughout each section there are checklists, and at the back there's an appendix filled with all sorts of information that will be useful to you like songwriting organizations around the world, publications of interest and online resources (The Muse's Muse is mentioned, too! Thanks, Jason!). 6 STEPS TO SONGWRITING SUCCESS covers a lot more ground than the title might suggest. From beginning to end, it's packed with all the information serious songwriters need to have in their trade toolbox. ****** Jason Blume's songs are on albums that have sold over 25 million copies in the past year. He is one of only a few writers to have singles on the country, pop, and R&B charts simultaneously. His songs have been recorded by the Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Collin Raye, Boyz 'n Girlz United, John Berry, and the Oak Ridge Boys. For more information, drop by his website at http://www.jasonblume.com ****** Jason Blume's, 6 STEPS TO SONGWRITING SUCCESS was our review and book give-away this month. There is no book review scheduled for next month, however there will still be a book give-away. Stay tuned for next month's winner. It could be you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M u s i c a l N o t e s : Songwriting Contests & Market Info. In the interest of conserving space, I will only be including changes to this listing in this newsletter. All other contests and market information that have already been listed here, are displayed at http://www.musesmuse.com/contests.html & http://www.musesmuse.com/markets.html . Please check there regularly for updates! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GGM SONG CONTEST 2000 Enter today for our 1st Annual Song Contest. Participating Categories: R&B, Hip-Hop, Rap, Reggae, Gospel, and Country. Genre: Christian and Secular music. Lots of great Prizes to be won. Overall Grand Prizes: Over $10,000 Value! Enter as many songs as you desire! Entry Deadline: 01-31-2000 Click or visit here to get Entry Form and Info: http://www.godsgift-music.com/contest/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- NORTH WEST SONGWRITING COMPETITION 2000 Brought to you by The Busker's Ball of Bolton, England. This year we are part of the BBC's (British Broadcasting Corporation) 'Music Live' event, plus we have support from local radio. They will broadcast winning songs! It is a performance competition with the final taking place on May 29th (and might also be broadcast). Prizes include recording time in top studios, music gear, etc., and we have built up a good reputation in past years. As a musician myself I have always been determined to make it as fair as possible. We may very well have an international section this year, (if there's enough interest) but if not, entrants will be expected to perform their work live at a series of heats. There will be three celebrity judges at each heat. Anyone wishing to enter should write to the address on the website (or phone or email me) and I will send entry form and set of rules. Alec Martin http://www.busker.freeuk.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOW ACCEPTING SUBMISSIONS BSF Songs is currently accepting material for a new female artist demo/CD project. Only material suitable for country music radio is acceptable. Strong hooks, all tempos, ala Mandy Barnett, Lee Ann Womack, Sarah Evans, P. Loveless, P. Tillis, etc. Submit only three songs on cassette or CD. Include lyric sheets, name, address, telephone, and/or e-mail. Material needed January 30, 2000. All submissions screened on a yes/no basis. No critiques. No material returned without SASE. No material reviewed without submission code. Please contact johnb@mis.net for permission and code. Nashville BSF Songs P.O. Box 1080 Lexington, KY 40588 Please note on your e-mail reponse where you saw this listing. ----------------------------------------------------------------- BMI PUBLISHER SEEKS NEW SONGS The songs we sign to publishing contracts meet our only standard: they qualify, in our opinion, as "genius" pieces of music. With the current expansion of our catalog and the early-2000 addition of our sister company, Gold Rush Music Publishing (ASCAP), we now seek new material that fits that genius category. If you have written music and lyrics that you believe to be appropriate, please send your best 1-6 unpublished songs (no submission code required) to Emstone, Inc. Music Publishing, PO Box 1287, Hallandale, FL 33008. (No classical, jazz, or opera.) Tapes and CDs containing music we don't publish will be returned with SASE. Michael Gary: pob1287@hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- THE 4TH ANNUAL "CRUISIN' FOR A HIT" SONGWRITERS CRUISE We value your time and money that's why we're offering you this fantastic deal! Join us on the Costa Victoria for 7 nights of learning and fun! Workshops, Seminars, Guitar Pulls, and Critiquing are just a few of the events that will be taking place! An incredible line-up of top faculty songwriters and pros! Prices start at $802 per person, dbl. occ. and include all port charges and taxes! Visit our site at: cruise-eta.com or call us toll-free at 888/711-7447. Space is limited so call us today!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ONLINEROCK IS A WEB-BASED COMMUNITY FOR MUSICIANS, MUSIC PROFESSIONALS & DIE-HARD MUSIC FANS: Visit OnlineRock and build your free Web site, post classifieds on our musician's 'sounding board,' learn about the latest music gear, recording technology and more. OnlineRock's mission is to empower musicians so that they can promote, distribute (and soon sell) their own music to fans anywhere in the world. Drop on by http://www.onlinerock.com when you get a chance. (You can sign up for a free web site with OnlineRock directly through The Muse's Muse! Have a look at http://www.musesmuse.com/onlinerock-form.html ) ----------------------------------------------------------------- NEW PUBLISHER SEEKING ORIGINAL MATERIAL Now accepting songs of all styles. 3 songs on CD or cassette with lyric sheets and SASE. All songs will be considered. * prefer positive upbeat material, must be original and unique. Contact info: LISTEN LOUD PUBLISHING BMI 1006 HYDE PARK CT CLEBURNE TX 76031 jbeaurpe@flash.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M u s e ' s C l u e s : by Irene Jackson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Grade 11 I had an English teacher who was a Beatles fanatic...we discussed their lyrics ad nauseum, and his face would flush with excitement when he spoke of the "pure genius" of songs like Eleanor Rigby. What does the writer MEAN when he says that Eleanor keeps her face in jar by the door? Most of us hadn't actually thought of listening the the WORDS before! I loved the music, but English 11 was a real eye-opener when it came to lyrics. When it comes to the subject of songwriting, the internet provides an infinite number of possibilities and places to explore, but occasionally it has its limitations. For instance, in the newsgroup rec.music.makers.songwriting, a complaint that often arises is the fact that the music isn't as easy to discuss as the lyrics are, simply because a newsgroup lends itself to text more easily than it does to music. And if you've ever read a book on songwriting, you KNOW that it's easier to understand a musical "point" when you can actually hear it, rather than just reading about it! BUT, having said that, a site was recently brought to my attention that examines some popular songs with a virtual microscope. It's "Alan W. Pollack's 'Notes On' Series" (http://rmb.simplenet.com/public/files/awp/awp.html.) And guess what? They are songs by the Beatles, 184 of them, in fact! Beatles fans, for sure, will be astounded...even writers who are not Beatles fans will find a great deal of valuable information here. Alan W. Pollack analyzes each song in great detail, including style and form, harmonic organization, rhythm and phrasing, melodic motif, lyrics, and arrangement. It can get pretty technical, but you may come across a word or phrase that defines something you already know or do in your songwriting ("hey, I wrote a song that is 'appoggiatura intensive' and I never knew it!"). Because we know these songs so well, when the author dissects each part, we can actually "hear" it. When I'm teaching guitar, I teach popular songs because I know a student will instinctively remember more from already knowing the song, and this Notes On series does exactly that. In fact, it's very much like training without the sound, and ear training is essential to any songwriter! Did the Beatles scrutinize their songwriting as much as this series does? Somehow I doubt it! In fact I can't imagine anyone sitting down and writing successfully from such a left-brained place. But why do these songs work? What special blend of rhythm and lyric and melody makes them so special? Some of the answers are simple and some are not! Alan belongs to the newsgroup rec.music.beatles and I simply can't believe he has taken so much time to do so much work. Fortunately for the rest of us, he's also provided a great learning tool for songwriters. So if you drop by, tell him the Muse's Muse sent you! ****** Irene Jackson is a performing songwriter from Victoria, BC in Canada. Aside from writing, recording and performing, she also maintains a website for songwriters that includes tips, articles and more links of interest. Her latest CD "Motor Scooter" has had attention everywhere from Japan to South America, and a new release is due out sometime in 1999. Songwriting Tips: http://www.irenejackson.com/tips.html Homepage: http://www.irenejackson.com Songs on MP3: http://www.mp3.com/artists/20/irene_jackson.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S o n g w r i t e r I n P r o f i l e : Bryan Kelley ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Kelley's CD, CHARMING THE GODS sure charmed me! I really loved his sound and the thoughtfulness of the songs. I decided to spotlight him on The Muse's Muse not so long ago. You can have a look at http://www.musesmuse.com/samplesong-k.html#kelley if you're interested. Having heard his stuff, like many of the other songwriters I admire, I had to ask him HOW. The resulting interview is below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Q*: How did you get involved in music and songwriting? Did you have a musical family? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: I got involved in music at the age of five, when I learned how to play ukulele in the Philippines. My mom, however will tell you that I started singing much earlier. She always comments on how I used to sing "Rolling Down the River" by Credence Clearwater Revival as we were shopping in the commissary. I've always had a love for cleverly crafted songs, and would dig into how they were created. So...writing is something that has evolved for me. My family was semi-musical...my great-grandfather played clarinet in John Phillip-Sussa's (sp?) marching band, and my grandmother was an opera singer. I'm considered the black sheep of the family. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: Was there a particular incident that made you decide music was your calling? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: No. Playing, writing, and performing music has never been a choice - I've never even questioned it. It's something that feels so natural to me, that it's hard to deny. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: Where do you get your inspiration? Other songs? Other musicians? Do you find certain incidents in life that most inspire you to write? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: Life incidents are definitely an inspiration for me. The birth of my daughter for example, was significant in my writing on "Charming the Gods". I actually find reading to be one of my largest contributors - there's nothing like a great book that takes you to another place and puts your imagination to work. My writing process is fairly simple in its complexity... Since guitar is my main instrument I'll find an open tuning that I really enjoy, then I just mess around with different chord progressions, in that tuning, until I find something I like. The hardest part is always deciding what to write about, and that's where life, reading, and any other experiences I can bring to the table appear. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: Do you ever experience the phenomenon of "Writer's Block"? If so, what do you do to get over it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: I believe that "Writer's Block" occurs when your not in tune with your mind,body, and soul. I use to experience it earlier on in my songwriting career. "Stream of Conscience" writing for about ten minutes a day first thing in the morning, plus reading fiction have really help me eliminate that problem. Exercise and Yoga have also helped me be more in touch with myself, keeping me with a clear mind. Every writer is different though, I can only say that those exercises work really well for me. There's a great book out that I'm sure you've heard of, "Artist's Way". It's a must read for those who are interested in taking their art to another level. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: Do you start with lyrics first or music? And whichever one you do start with, why do you think that is? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: The music almost always comes first...that's probably due to fact that I've been playing guitar longer than I've been writing songs or lyrics. I also really enjoy open-tunings...so that will often times inspire me to create a new song. Once I have the basic chord structure, the melody is usually quite easy. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to lyrics, so that usually takes the most time. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: When you say you're a perfectionist about lyrics, what do you mean exactly? How do you keep your lyrics on track? What measurements do you use to judge their effectiveness and how do you work on improving that effectiveness? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: I'm a fan of thought provoking lyrics, so...when I say I'm a perfectionist,I'll go out of my way to make sure that my lyrics aren't an insult to a potential listener's intelligence. I work hard to keep things fresh and different, if not for anybody else, at least for myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Q*: How have you gotten your music heard? By that, I mean, what sorts of methods have you tried to get yourself gigs, to get your CD around, to get your music played on the radio, etc? Is there any advice you'd have for other songwriters on this front? Any books that have helped you or other materials that might have ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *A*: When my CD first came out, I took it to all of the restaurants, coffeehouses, clubs, and retail stores I could think of. I was so excited...I just wanted to get my music heard by as many people as possible. I also wanted to get out and play for as many people as possible, and that's still the case. I don't know how to say this other than, 'I'm on a mission'. Considering that I'm independent, I've had to do most of my own booking, promotion, and press - it wasn't until recently that I've partnered up with a booking agent, an independent radio promoter, and hired someone in the office to help me out. 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Sun Jan 23 15:21:39 2000 To: Ken From: Heather Subject: Music compilations with local ads.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: [as always.. this may be a confusing email to read. I'm fiddling with an idea here] http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=4546 This article is about Launch.com acquiring a music compilation company called NVS. 'Distribution' company meets 'content' company. Not that they CREATED the content or anything. They just make genre compilations of it to sell to businesses who use music. Something in the story made me shiver. Remember how you talked about us creating a music CD with local advertising on the CD _cover_? I'm not sure if the following is a GOOD or BAD idea but.. can you imagine a music compilation from these NVS/Launch.com guys... with ads in the middle of em? Imagine MUSAK with ads. Smile. And hey.. these guys get music and videos "handed" to them all the time from record companies and independents. Doesn't a booking agent like Donna get similar "press kits" with CDs? (Not that she does anything with them.. the stupid woman. 'Course as she explained to me recently... she BOOKS acts.. her job isn't to 'promote' them.. sigh) Meaning we could do the same thing and start asking people for their CDs to use for play 'content' and artist promotion.... just like the radio stations? Or better still, help them CREATE/record those CDs? (I bet the local radio station doesn't get involved in THAT, now do they? Sounds too much like work. Laugh.) Do you think these music compilation companies PAY for the music in any way? (in fact.. do radio stations "pay" for content?) How is THEM playing those CDS on their distribution network any different from you or I doing it? I'm confused. They talked about having this 'library' of music that they can resell to people who want it. Do they pay the record companies a percentage of this revenue? Or perhaps... they DO pay for the video/music. Which _I_ would find odd, in some ways. How could one figure out a payment- per-song scheme? Imagine a DJ at a club who plays the compilation music CD.. yer dancing to the music... and at the end of every couple of songs or so... you hear an ad for Castelyn's chocolates. Or ... yer at North 40 and the country genre of music is playin' away. And every so often there's an ad for Candlewood Books. Hmm.. I get the feeling this is where that bunch may be headed. I can't decide if it's good.. or bad. It sure would level the playing field for ANYONE who can create music compilations...the actual "content." Not just a radio station could offer ad space. Actually, that might be cool. YOU for example, and a group of other bands.. could create a music mix AND YOU would make the ad revenue. NOT THE RADIO STATION. (I mean, that's obviously why radio stations have so much money, right? They get it from ad revenue, right?) Any kid with his own gang or few gangs' music could incorporate those groups music on a compilation CD or streaming content from their own Web site with either sound... or if you want to take it that far... VIDEO advertising from local businesses. Hmm.... Just a thought. H P.S. Thing is.. that's one of the reasons I DON'T listen to radio. Ads when I'm in the middle of listening to music.. are REALLY annoying. Hmm... perhaps the CD with the music compilation could have a way to bypass the ads. Have a preprogrammed play version that you'd play at home on your CD player where ads are NOT played. Hmm.... I mean, Real Player has a kind of 'ad' at the start of some music. The ad is a separate file that can be bypassed. From ???@??? Sun Jan 23 16:17:40 2000 To: Ken From: Heather Subject: Promotion idea for bookstore Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Marketing idea for a book store. An old one. But not generally used in a book store. Have a business card drop. Customers drop their business cards in a container and you have a draw for a set of books. Meanwhile, as this technique always offers, you get a sense of where your customers are coming from. I was reading a forum for bar and restaurant promotions and they mentioned the business card drop idea for a restaurant. Why not a bookstore? No forms to fill out... grab some books as prizes off the shelf....or tie promo in with a specific publisher/author/ or even particular subjects (with local business tie-ins to the subject.. ie. McKenzie for gardening book set of prizes from Randon House publisher or a Web site) H From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 19:31:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16825 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1999 01:03:42 -0000 Received: from modem124123.westman.wave.ca (HELO serverb.bookfiles.com) (207.161.124.123) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 21 Dec 1999 01:03:42 -0000 Received: from back1 (modem232187.westman.wave.ca [207.161.232.187]) by serverb.bookfiles.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Y0VBHQR9; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:12:48 -0600 Message-Id: X-Sender: ken@mail.bookfiles.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:04:29 -0600 To: Heather From: Ken Jaworski Subject: Re: Webcam community In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991219131410.00921c10@mail.creatist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:14 PM 12/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=3979 >What can you tell me about this Webcam community Band of the Bands concept? Not much. It seems pretty cool. Lots of dollars, though. I think the 'battle of the bands' idea is good. I think a site where musicians could upload an mp3 and compete for prizes is a great idea. I think that's been done a couple of times - but I imagine its hard to verify whether the people uploading the songs are, in fact, the same people that made the music...what's to stop a kid from uploading an mp3 of some little-known band that he has no affiliation with, and collecting the prize? I dunno...cool beans, in my opinion. I do actually have an idea that might play into it, but I am completely hamstrung time-wise right now. Maybe later tonight. BTW, thanks for the pics and the web bits - very cool to have someone take notice. Ken From ???@??? Mon Dec 20 20:03:24 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 17613 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1999 01:45:16 -0000 Received: from modem124123.westman.wave.ca (HELO serverb.bookfiles.com) (207.161.124.123) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 21 Dec 1999 01:45:16 -0000 Received: from PubAccess.bookfiles.com (modem232187.westman.wave.ca [207.161.232.187]) by serverb.bookfiles.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Y0VBHQYF; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:54:22 -0600 X-Sender: ken@mail.bookfiles.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:02:02 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Ken Jaworski Subject: From the brain of the artist formerly known as Ken Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok...so here's the bit of an idea I have. Just kinda brainstormed while thinking on the 'Battle of the Bands' concept: We put out a call for song submissions around Brandon and the surrounding areas - artists can submit a song via mp3, or they can send a CD and select a song, and we make the mp3 for them. We could split it up via very loose genres (i.e. Rock, Folk, Jazz, Country). We place all the mp3s up on the site, with the capability for users to vote on their favorites. We could place a couple of ads in On! Brandon, the Shopper papers, etc. to promote the idea to both the public and to the artists. We tabulate the votes, and the 15 or 20 most popular songs are released on a compilation CD. We could garner some corporate cash from local businesses (Soo's, Kokonas, On! Brandon, CKX, etc.), and press 1000 copies. Each sponsor would receive a small ad in the CD liner (maybe a coupon or something). These could then be sold for a low asking price (say $3.00) in all the businesses that support the project, and a portion would be given away to all the local media groups, radio stations, etc. The whole idea would be to put forth a good example of how talented the locals are, and with enough nagging, we might even be able to get the radio stations to play some of the tracks. Any cash that's made on the thing (if any) would go toward a local arts-friendly charity. This is all dependent on a couple of things: 1. Whether we can get enough artists to actually make it a contest. We'd need at least 40-50 to make the voting thing worthwhile. If this isn't a viable option, we may be better off just collecting the songs, then electing a panel to choose the best. 2. Whether we can get enough corporate sponsorship to press the CDs and promote it. A batch of 1000 CDs will cost about $2000, plus we'd need at least $500 to place ads, etc. In other words, if we can get 25 businesses to donate $100 in exchange for a tiny ad in the CD cover, we'd have all the cash we needed to make it fly. Who knows...might work...especially if we can get Leech Printing on as a sponsor - that would cut down manufacturing costs significantly. If they would donate the printing of the CD covers, it would knock about $500-600 off the figures above. We could have artwork by a local artist on the cover, and do as much of it as possible thru local channels. A real home-grown thang. Am I fucked in the head to think we could get this much support from the community? Maybe. But maybe not. What do you think? K. From ???@??? Sun Jan 23 15:38:54 2000 To: Ken, Dex From: Heather Subject: music compilations/production costs Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: http://www.etvnet.com/promotion/index.html Is this an example of the COST of doing some of these functions? Fucking nuts! Oh and notice how they'll lower the price if you let THEM do the promoting/production/duplication/etc. Assholes... H From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 11:14:54 2000 To: Ken, Nancy, Dex, dhalla@mb.sympatico.ca From: Heather Subject: You may find information of interest on the forums... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: http://www.nightclub-business.com/ I think this site is American based but you may find some of the information in the forums of interest in some way. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 19 23:33:03 1999 To: ken@bookfiles.com From: Heather Subject: Festival inklings Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Ken I just started formulating this idea. I'm sure there will be other aspects to it. Currently the board of the Brandon Folk, Music and Art Festival receives entries from musicians who wish to play at the festival. A selection committee picks what the audience will listen to. I've been talking to people off and on about music industry related stuff and I thought of this idea of having a Web site where any artist with the gumption to do so can submit his MP3(s) to an online listening site not unlike an mp3.com. This also potentially creates a market for studios or astute individuals who want to get into MP3 recording or providing services, studios, off or online how-tos or computer equipment to create a presentable MP3. I dunno a lot about this technology. Perhaps there are already a bunch of young kids that know how to do this professionally.. Good. One less thing for a record company to send them into hock for... laugh That is.. unless YOU do it. Smile. On the site, anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, can come to the site, listen to the entrant's MP3s and vote for the artist or artists they want at the festival or any NUMBER of festivals, if we want. Note: We should figure out how many groups or individuals are normally booked and they can either pick that MANY or the top 30-40 groups/individuals that are voted for get picked for the festival(s) -- or something in-between. Put the control of what you listen to at a live concert in the hands of the people who attend it. Frightening thought,eh? laugh. We could sell tickets to the venue online by ecommerce. And if people have Web content they want to add or link or whatever, they could add to their 'online listening post.' We'd be sure to work on finding sponsors, advertising, good fairies, whatever. Now, right this minute ask me if I wanna to give this idea to the Folk Festival and I say.. no.. not really. Laugh. For starters, I don't think they'd like it. It takes their power away. (Never mind that through the added participation of the actual audience and almost impulse-buying availability of purchasing a ticket right then and there, you'd probably increase sales) And we mustn't take the power away from a group like that, now should we? Lord. Ken, other than this festival, do we HAVE any other major music festivals here that we could do this with? How do they make their money on this venue, by the way? Who pays the bands? Heather From ???@??? 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If you don't want to receive InFocus, please return to Member Services at http://www.kodak.com/go/members to edit your profile and change your subscription preferences. For a complete listing of URLs from this newsletter, visit http://www.kodak.com/members. KODAK InFocus is a periodic news communication from Eastman Kodak Company. Questions or comments about this publication, email: InFocus@kodak.com. Questions or comments about Kodak products and services, email: webmaster@kodak.com. Look for your next issue of InFocus on Feb. 1. Editor: Amy Gahran From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 11:08:21 1999 To: Lara From: Heather Subject: One component of digital directory - cross promotion exchange Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Here is another component of the digital directory I have another component/web site to add to this digital directory. A cross-promotion exchange. Businesses who are operating on a shoestring (We could call it Shoestring Business Report) often look for other businesses to collaborate/share the costs on cross-promoting their products. This cross promotion can take many forms. It can be something as simple as a tacit agreement to steer flower customers to the cake baker and cake customers to the florist. It can also involved sharing the costs/promotional information on a flyer, coupon or contest. One person provides the prize one time for the contest, the other provides the prize the next time. It's definitely something that is being used or should be used more often between startup home-based or other kinds of business. Here's my idea: a cross-promotion exchange The same way, in Toronto, people were using the internet to find carpool groups, we could offer a free communication service (like NovelExchange) for businesses who are seeking someone to cross-promote with. They could provide a digital photo album (which we could create, if they wish for a fee perhaps) of their best work. We would set them up with a database entry that includes who they would like to collaborate with and what kinds of deals they have thought of to offer. We could source MORE of these kind of shoestring budget ideas and create an informational source of content on starting a small business. We could seek content provider experts, business and government feature sponsorships (have a column featuring a particular aspect of a business and the business or government group who be solicited to sponsor it for a fee) We could solicit advertising from all the businesses who provide service or business to to small business, among others. I'm sure there's other stuff, I just thought of this last night. We could incorporate this database in some way with the currently planned database so there's no duplication of information (ie, add another element to the digital directory that includes fields for the above ideas: business photo album, who I'd like to collaborate with, what kinds of collaborations I'd like to do, etc. From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 11:16:19 1999 To: Lara From: Heather Subject: Elophant Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I just thought of it. It combines some elements I've been trying to find a way to combine. Give me some thoughts, when you have a chance. I am going to have two web sites. One is called Natural Air. I will come back to that in future but the idea being I've covered all age ranges. The Natural Air site will be for adults. It will be more to do with buying things for starters, more of an e-commerce, lifestyle site but it will incorporate some of the subjects that the other site will have. The other site will be for kids. Dave asked me to write three stories for Elophant - our kids web site. I have a medium-sized stuffed elephant I take digital pictures of. I call him Elliot O. Phant. I will start with him and write kids stories about his adventures. I started this afternoon, working on a framework for the kid's stories. I have now rested and thought of a few more layers. You, as usual are acting as my sounding board. Smile. Dave said to incorporate two elements to any site I build. Build something that will draw traffic, ergo draw advertisers or build a product that people will pay to have or use. I am working on ways to have these two elements incorporated into Elophant. Feedback is appreciated. I was going to write a kids' level line of stories - I dunno, ages 6 - 12. Relatively early aged stories. But here are a few places where I am gonna grab my synthesis of an idea from: 1. A t.v. show about a real-life dog who talks aloud. (to the audience, if I remember; I can't remember if he talked to the people in the show) The details are a little fuzzy but I think they had the dog pretend he was different famous people sorta.. Sherlock Holmes or a Sherlock-like character. The point is the dog had adventures in a fantasy time and in a real time (I think sometimes there were stories with his real owners. This allows a lot of latitude) There was this underlying element of teaching kids to learn about history and to read. 2. A t.v. show with two guys.. real brothers, I think; who showed us about a lot of things, mostly animals, I think. The pace was fast and the guys both had a great deal of fun. They really ENJOYED themselves, yanno? This show teaches kids about nature, animals, the environment, science, I'm probably forgetting something. 3. I know there's also Ben Nye, the science guy and there was another science show too. Both were pretty crazy. I'm not saying I want to go that root but I do know science for kids has become popular. Why not? It's all knowledge. 4. Remember the Young Indiana Jones series with the two different aged Indiana Jones? That was a classic piece of entertainment AND educational television. Too bad nobody bought it. I liked the way Indiana Jones would run into famous people. It was the first time I think I saw a kids sorta show where the kid would truly experience the EMOTION of the time. I remember one on Indy learning about Jazz from George Gershin, I think, and being in war, and meeting Albert Schweitzer. I was really moved by those stories. I thought they were really well done. I'm not suggesting I want to go THAT far as this was more a young adult kind of show. I THINK I will stick to a kidsview view til I find my writing voice on such things. I want it to sound geniune. I think it's an art to write for teens. Without sounding silly or contrived, yanno? 5. Well, there's always the H.G. Wells classic, The Time Machine. I will think about incorporating either a time machine element or simply have stories told to the elephant or other animals by older people or something. I want to try to have a first-person experience so the kids can identify with it. That's why I think I thought the Young Indiana Jones worked so well. But stories of that age are a little more complex. I'm not sure I'm ready for that.. that in-between age of writing.. not quite for adults, but no longer for little kids. 6. Curious George. Do you remember him? There was a series of storybooks a milion years ago that were quite popular. It was about a monkey who was owned by a professor or teacher or something and he was always getting into trouble. I think that concept has seen a long run in kids stories, I think I can use it okay. I can also start looking at current kids books some more to get ideas in that area. (which fills one interest of mine which has been kids books. Boink!) 7. People are into taking care of animals. There are a lot of shows on these days about doing that, I imagine. (I saw a book with "Radar" - Garry Burgoff (sp) from M.A.S.H. who was on cover about animal care. Remember how Radar was into animals? I imagine that's why they asked him to do the series on pet care - which I'm ASSUMING there was; I didn't see it.) Okay. Those are some sources I will draw from. Here's what I want to incorporate: 1. Travel Travel and tourism in Manitoba (or around the world). I can have this creature or his friends travel around Manitoba.. for real or virtually. I can solicit travel and tourism information from all around Manitoba and of course, Brandon. There's a big push on at the government level for helping the tourism industry in Manitoba. I'm not sure why but who knows?.. maybe I can solicit a grant or something to help do tourism pieces and promote Manitoba and Brandon. The main thing being, we can TRAVEL anywhere.. even where YOU live.. and have the animals be tourists of a sort. There's the travel angle we've talk about in the past. AND, what _I_ like is we have a little more interaction that a damn slide show.. the creatures having an adventure there or being given a real tour or something. And we make it KID-palatable, so kids will want to drag their parents to visit this place. 2. The characters can be reporters or writers or just curious animals who go to different places and do different things. I can ask ANYONE with a business or topic or hobby to allow the animal to visit them. I can take pictures of the animal visiting them. Again, I can make it KID-palatable and have a positive spin on it, the way I want to do those BestViewed articles on local businesses, artists, experts, volunteer agencies. I don't know if I mentioned BestViewed. The idea was to write stories to promote these people and to write the story/article from the same point of view the OWNER would want to give to it. I don't WANT to do reviews of restaurants. Leave that to critics. I want to PROMOTE business ergo helping to promote my OWN, hopefully. Dave keeps talking about asking people for money to do this. I agree. But initially, I have to WRITE a bunch of articles for other potential customers to see. It add content to any site, including this one, allows me to practice reporting and being a journalist of sorts and to take digital pictures, too. 3. I was in Walmart talking to a friend.I don't know if she would help me but I got this idea standing talking to her in the toy department where she works part-time. Have a kid "review of toys" site on Elophant.. say... What I thought was, we approach Walmart, cos they're big and ask them to allow us to promote this idea with them being the main store for buying kids' toys (which wouldn't be hard). We get this lady or another salesperson to hand out a coupon or flyer or something (maybe even Walmart will throw in a discount if they SUBMIT a review - not UNTIL then) to ask people who are considering buying toys or will be buying toys to rate them for the Christmas rush and submit reviews to our web site. Actually, we don't have to stick with Walmart but I figure go to them FIRST cos if they catch wind of it they may simply try to copy us. They may try to copy us ANYWAY.. but if we position it as 'help promote this Brandon area web site idea".. they may help us out. 8. People like teddy bears. They are big business. I have also seen runs on prehistoric animals, fish, owls, cows, etc. You name it, there's a person with a hundred of them. I saw a computer geek who finished UNIVERSITY at 18. He started when he was 14 and apparently skipped high school. A brain, obviously. He is into COWS. He had a website on them. Laugh. Simply a case in point. MY thought is go elephant. I bet you have seen a few elephants around as well, so start digging up elephant stuff okay? Any kind, okay? I would LOVE the idea of having a European tie-in on this concept. We could get kids involved with kids in other countries too. I think that is what the Internet should be about. So, okay, we'd start by writing to each other about our ELEPHANTS. Laugh. It might be fun. What do you think? Laugh. Actually, I've overlooked the kids in other countries angle. I think THAT would be excellent. I STILL personally don't feel we ... know enough.. about what goes on in other countries.. simply our own.. which is kinda nuts, yanno? 9. And of course, there's merchandising. If this catches on in any way, we get locals... possibly to create elephants for us. And maybe elephant accessories. Laugh. Am I nuts or what? This elephant I have is a Gund, I think. I would imagine I might even be breaking some law by using him in a picture. I will check into this. But actually, we could always DRAW the animals. It's just Dave has this whole wack of beanies (compliments of me among others) that we could use to photograph around town in storie about different animals. But I still remember talking to a woman at The General Store in the Brandon Mall. People are CRAZY for beanies. Perhaps, we can come up with a merchandising angle for this. Of course, THEN we'd have to get an original elephant. We couldn't make money off the elephant I have, it's someone elses. By the same token, there's nothing wrong with telling the local stores to simply buy elephants - stuffed or whatever.. and we could promote ELEPHANTS. laugh. Til we get our OWN toy. Why not, eh? Look at Star Wars. laugh. And THAT, we could sell over the internet. Hmm.. there ya go.. element two.. selling a product.. Heather From ???@??? Wed Sep 01 11:19:19 1999 To: Lara From: Heather Subject: Dowtown digital directory Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Proposal for ad poster utility and digital downtown directory Background ---------- We want to "put a face to each storefront" by providing a picture of each business/building and perhaps its occupants. A one page entry will also include a standard address/phone/fax/email/Web site link listing. Nothing more as this is provided for free. They pay later when they use the ad banner poster utility. This could become a web-based format where the participants add/update this info themselves. We would be able to do this for all cities and not have to worry about data entry. We want to create a COMPLETE digital map of the downtown. A basic start for a Smart Community. We use the ad poster utility as the central infrastructure. The ad poster utility will make us the money to support the site. This site will be used to promote Brandon to the world. We will seek ad sponsorships from the tourism, industry, and government agencies. We will do this for other towns as well once we've established the model for this concept. We use the downtown core as a starting point. What is it? ----------- An ad poster utility that people can use to create and post their own banner ads. It will have a number of components. The first component will be a digital downtown directory. What is a digital downtown directory? ------------------------------------- A _complete_ web based, database-generated, with picture, .php listing of all the buildings and businesses in the downtown core. (Similar to what was created for the McKenzie flower records.) From ???@??? Wed Jun 16 15:20:21 1999 To: Leah_Russell/adm/psb@peelsb.com From: Heather Subject: Re: transcripts Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <85256792.004D1C5D.00@peelsb.com> References: X-Eudora-Signature: At 09:47 AM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >June 16, 1999 > >Dear Ms. Lovatt: > >I have received your June 15th fax regarding your transcripts. 4 copies of >your transcript have been prepared for you. I would appreciate it if you >would send a cheque or money order for $8.00 made payable to Bramalea >Secondary School along with a stamped self-addressed envelope. When this >is received, I will forward the transcripts to you. Super! I will drop a cheque or money order and self-addressed envelope in the mail today. I will send it to your attention. That's great! Thank you! Thank you! Heather Lovatt hallie@creatist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 10 13:03:47 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: Santa Cause URL Cc: hallie@creatist.com Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Hi Linda.. It's Heather from Armchair Airlines. I was in to talk to you today about bringing traffic to Brandon. Here Linda, use this any way you wish. ------------------ Are you a Brandon merchant or individual who is interested in supporting the downtown or local business economy? Join the "Santa Cause" project. Vist our Web site to find out more. http://www.creatist.com/directme/Santa.html One dollar from the sale of each Santa photo will go to the local Childrens' Wish fund. Here's what you do: 1. Click on the enclosed URL to get to the Web page. 2. Read about the "Santa Cause". 3. Print out one copy of the Web page. 4. Cut it in half (flyer is formatted 2up). 5. Display one half in your store or residence window. 6. Give the other half to a friend (or email the URL). 7. Ask them to repeat this process. 8. Visit Santa in your local mall and get a photo taken. 9. If you get a photo taken, tell them you saw this Web flyer. One dollar will be donated to the Childrens' Wish Fund. Send this email to 20 of the people you think would be most apt to understand and progress this concept. Keep track of who you sent it to and who you may end up receiving feedback from. (A master email list of interested participants COULD be turned into a forum or listserv or ELECTRONIC newsletter..just like Zellers and Canadian tire. Any issues, call me. I'll talk to Ben this afternoon and email Carol to update her on the plan. Heather Lovatt creatist.com - Web development division of Armchair Airlines Computer Services 829 Princess Avenue (next to the Princess Cafe) hallie@creatist.com http://www.creatist.com Derek's web site: http://www.techplus.com/dex From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 16:47:40 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: Re: Santa Cause Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <3852C0A9.D5EE3A45@mb.sympatico.ca> References: X-Eudora-Signature: At 03:22 PM 12/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Heather--I just looked at the updated Santa Photo page that you did. >Great job! I haven't sent them out as I don't have the email addresses >list compiled yet. This is 1st on my list for Sunday/Monday morning. >Thanks again!----Linda Hi Linda Sounds good. And I hear ya on the "never at home.. only to sleep thang." Laugh. I came from Toronto well over a year ago. I still haven't really bothered buying furniture yet. Like why?, I'm never home. I stopped watching television when I got on the net. And funny.. your management 'journey' started a year or so ago too. Interesting. So noted. I've emailed a few people who may be interested in this concept. Just so you know. I'm looking at 'early adopters' on new ideas. Tell me about any ones YOU know about. We should have a get together with some of mine and some of yours.. to brainstorm.. or trade tales of woe with. Whatever. We need to build a little support for one another. Everyone I know seems to be working in isolation. Which is crazy.. _I_ think. And let me know about any out of town connections you may already have. Do you have 'piles of paper' on this mall? I read Marquis Projects' newsletters and Nancy McLennan's Twoonies program notes, for example, to get an idea on what these groups are about. I don't need you spending all your time telling me words. I can read stuff too, if you catch my drift. And right now.. who do you trust in the downtown community? Who do you find is the quickest to come to your aid? We should be talking to these people as well. I don't plan to burnout. That is for fools. Make sense? And don't be shy on who you send your emails to. Send them to the 'dreamers' in any camp.. business or otherwise. It's the dreamers that will 'get' what you are trying to do. So you know.. I have a few favourites so far, here in town. One of them is downtown, part of the United Way board, a designer, a computer techy, has a print medium, has a web medium, is well respected for the things he does, and works much too long hours. Focus on Bryan at IMG. On! Brandon: http://www.brandon.com To me, he is the furthest along of all the print media types on this Internet thing. And I believe in his honesty as well. Also let me know what convos you have with the Woman's Centre, particularly Terry Deller. I'll be honest with you. I dropped by her place and mentioned you were considering having her group in for free. I've only met this woman twice so don't think I'm favoring her or anything. I hope I didn't speak out of turn. Whack me if I did. What made me laugh though.. and I'm starting to understand why you were first a bit dubious about them if it was her that approached you... she jumped right past the good news and bitched cos you hadn't returned her call yet. Hmm.. this woman is in need of a stress break. Go easy on her, okay? Smile. But if you are serious about bringing them into the mall... I think there are ways you and they could benefit one another... to the extreme. Let me know.. That one is important.********** Also.. note in my longer email: Agencies that provide home health care. Yes, I deal with We Care. I didn't mean them. They aren't hungry enough anymore. Audrey Trevors does fine, I think. I mean.. a hungry one.. a competitor.. I'm not sure who would be best. But a home health care agency... in the mall. They wouldn't need much space. They could share an office with Terri for all of that. I just think home care is gonna be a strong concept in the next few years. Maybe the RHA downtown HAS this. I don't really understand what services they provide (fill me in) But a home care agency in the mall.. may be a good part of some 'package' we end up creating for the patrons. Make sense? I know there is a group across the hall from Terri up the street on Princess.. "New Life" or something. But I don't know them to recommend them or anything. Wanna start a home care agency? Laugh. I figure you may be getting the senior traffic in that mall.. I think... Are you? I may pass out a few flyers I did from before.. though they don't mention the donation on em. Hope that's okay. Smile. Advertising is advertising. Also..do me a favour.. look at the Twoonie ClubLive site. http://www.creatist.com/twoonies. No.. I'm not feeding you promo info. I'm feeding you ideas. Take a good look at what we are doing on the creatist Web site so far. See if it starts any wheels churning on ways we could use the Internet. Let's try to keep paper use to a minimum. Teach me what you know about placing ads in any newspapers, magazines, etc.. Even other media, like t.v. and such. I want to do this right. I've NEVER done any of that before. The money was never there. "I do ideas." Smile. I've never been a marketing manager. Smile. And what is interesting.. is.. you may help teach ME how to advertise Armchair Airlines Computer Services. Offline. And I'll figure out how to advertise us.. ONLINE. Deal? And you said you shop at Zellers online. Tell me what you like about that site. And most importantly.. tell me how you feel about the Internet. One day all your customers could move to the net and warehouse their stuff somewhere.. Leaving you flat. How do we deal with that? I'm being dramatic. Have a nice weekend. There will be more email in your browser from me later. I wonder if you can set up filters in Netscape and have my stuff go into one separate folder. I'll see what I can find. Ask your Admin if she knows.. What's her name by the way? Talk to ya. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 17:02:21 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: Ideas... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Some people feel the downtown should be made more kid/teen friendly. Some talk about putting in seniors apartments, etc. Which do YOU believe, Linda? Nancy once suggested this for Kenny Choy's Prairie Lanes: Offer FREE space for a year to 3 imporant franchises: SubWay, Starbucks, Rogers Video Tell me why or why not you could do this? There is something about this idea that absolute haunts me. Heather From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 19:30:27 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: Re: Musings.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <3852BB93.C18D15A5@mb.sympatico.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19991211143158.0093add0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: For starters.. wow.. thanks for the info. I feel like I have walked in the door on a person who is being VERY open with me. And I appreciate that. A lot. I never thought I'd live to hear the day that "Shopping malls don't work" Interesting. I don't mean that completely. I can simply see where you are on all this. There are flaws in our situation that need fixing. I'll help any way I can. I want something to start "working" in this town. This is a good area to start.. the downtown. You also sound like you are in an INCREDIBLE transition period.. for you.. for the mall.. for Brandon. I accept that fact. I am willing to deal with the reality that you may get another goof for a mall owner who is just interested in keeping his shareholders rich. I've always been good at working with what I am given. I've been in some poor circumstances. And learned to work with what I was given. So simply let me know where you are at any given point in all this and we'll work on it, okay? Do you need any more warm bodies? I'm not thinking about me.. I'm thinking about other people.. like Derek for a very good example.. who are in a transition mode too. And may prove helpful because of that. Describe your functions and your needs to me. The more I know about what goes on in the life of a mall the better I will be able to figure this out. For example.. tell me about some of your personal/business associations. How do they help/hinder you? Say someone like the BIA. Weave me a story. In another era, when retail was flying, the techniques you mentioned worked. You were there. You took part. You know that tune by heart. As probably does the Brandon Shoppers Mall. But things have changed. Tastes have changed. The Internet is here and it ain't going away. Brandon Shoppers Mall should understand this.. at their peril if they don't. I know there are other factors too. Personally, my snapshot of this.. is.. we _could_ go for the out of town "Brandon as a destination" traffic.. in whatever sense that may become. (be it regular retail or something else. Perhaps it IS too late to compete with Brandon Shoppers Mall. Look at where they are located. And it's getting better day by day. Look at all the stores up that end. Even the ones that SURROUND the mall. We are doomed. Smile. Remember, you are talking to an optimist. I can't imagine your situation is much different from a lot of malls. I will see what I can dig up on the subject and if you would...keep feeding me background... new..old.. hearsay.. especially the hearsay.. that's what people lean towards believing. I admit it. People like being negative. Laugh. Just so you know. I'm just some dumb kid. Who is damn optimistic. Damn impatient. And damn well willing to bust my butt to make things 'happen.' As I mentioned, my Web site is called creatist. I am a creatist. A creatist is a person who creates.. whatever.. it takes. I take a dim view of naysayers. I stay clear of clubs and committees.. things take too long to HAPPEN when a committee (commitme.. laugh) is in session. You want me. You got me. You need resource of some kind, just ask. Though for the life of me I cannot understand why someone in this city isn't helping you. Yes, I can. They are too busy with their OWN agendas. I've run into that a lot. I get people who talk in this kind of 'comfort zone' with me about all the things we should 'be doing' to make some kind of change or create something new. My project with Twoonie ClubLive and trying to create a musician's network is a good example of that. I'll talk with someone for two hours about what's wrong with the state of Brandon. I'll say, why don't we do this. They say.. 'YEAH'... Then, I never hear back from them again. It's like I cast this spell on people. It makes them optimism and full of ideas. But I walk away and the inertia overcomes them again. They go back to bitching and moaning about what's WRONG in the world. But do nothing more about it. I realize you'll have days like that too. Cos you've been at this place for a long time. Are you taking care of yourself? Are you allowing enough time for yourself to get refreshed? So you can jump back in to pound on it some more? Or.. would you say.. you are running out of steam? Let me know. I need to understand where you are on this. Are you simply ready to toss it all and get a 'real job'? Smile. Let me know, okay? I don't wanna come bounding through the door on ya when you really would rather just let this all be.. see what happens.. that sorta thing. I don't go where I'm not needed. At least I TRY not too. Smile. And if you would, don't forget to respond to the specific points I may have made for NEW ideas in the last email. I think I threw a couple at you. Silly though they may have been. Also...Are you familiar with the concept of inserting your replies between mine? Watch what I do with the reply to your email in the next email. Let me know if you understand how to do that. You mentioned you aren't up on computers as much as you would like. So this is just a suggestion. Tell me.. (while we are both being very upfront with each other and I like this way of dealing with people) to 'bug off' if you don't need certain tech advice.. okay? Laugh. Okay... Now I'll respond to your email, okay? Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 12 02:14:04 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: more musings.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <3852BB93.C18D15A5@mb.sympatico.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.19991211143158.0093add0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Actually I will send this to you. Take it in little bits.. I am intrigued by this.. problem.. I will think on the matter. Heather >Hi Heather!---Yes I have email at home. Although, I'm not at home very >often (only to sleep usually). Not a problem. Do you mean you are always at work? Or do you spend time doing other things outside of work? What hours do you tend to be at the office? What hours do you tend to be other places? Does your job require you to travel around the city or any other places much? I know nothing about mall management. Fill me in. And while you are filling me in, throw some comparisons of YOUR situation to the situation of the mall management at Shopper's Mall. Should I simply go talk to her?.. Kim Lewarne, I think it is. Are the two of you on good terms? Or is that a touchy question? >Anyway, I would love to tell you about the history of >the mall through my eyes: > >The mall was built 18 years ago (1981) and at that time it was a joint >venture between the City of Brandon and the developer. But it's just another mall to them now, right? There are no hidden grandfather clauses or something that wind around this mall, correct? >Oh yes, the City brothers wanted this mall really badly....I don't know >about the people of Brandon. I'll play devil's advocate, quiz kid, whatever you wanna call it on this stuff okay? Why did the city brothers want this mall? What state of development or nor development was the Brandon Shoppers Mall? What was the Brandon population at the time this mall was built? And who ARE these 'city brothers' per se? Are they still around, in some form or another? I've heard stories about some jeweller in town being a strong force in the decisions of the downtown. Just how many people are down here pulling one kind of string or another? Could an outsider, say the new mall owners, sweep through here and do whatever they want or are there 'hidden' obstacles in this downtown area? >I started working at Brandon Gallery 15 years ago as Administrative >Assistant. Cool. Did you grow up in Brandon? Did you go to university or have some plan as to what you wanted to do in life? Or was this simply a job that came up and you stuck with it? >I took over as manager one year ago when the mall changed ownership from >Cambridge Shopping Centres to ENA Realty Group. Why did ENA buy the place? What is their plan? Or WAS? Who was the previous manager and what became of them? Was the division a happy one or did the change in ownership cause 'issues?' Did the Cambridge Shopping Centre cause any 'damage' in the course of leaving.. as in, letting the operation slide or something? (Thus adding to the public's perception or something.) And have you talked to Kenny Choy? I feel he's in a similar location to yours. Have you chewed the fat with him at all? Could the two of you work together on anything? I know he's not the best at promotion. That was an issue with Prairie Lanes from what I've been told. But he must be a bright guy about SOME things. Isn't he the previous owner of Soo's among other things? Do you know Kenny? Who is in the front office with you.. as in admin or manager staff? Just you and your admin in front? And what was this report you talked about? The one that you sounded so worried about getting done? Are you in a worrisome mode with the powers that be? How have they responded to your management this past year? Positively? Negatively? Or are they really not even around, per se? Are you doing this on your own, is what I'm getting at? Who is (or is supposed to be) helping you on this? Did they have some kind of expectation of you that you've ended up walking in from the start from and been blamed for? I mean, I lived in Toronto. There was talk about Eatons closing more than two years ago. Are you being BLAMED for stuff like that? What's happening with the current stores? Anyone leaving? Why did some of the other stores close? I came here a year or so ago in June and watched a picture/nicknack shop leave,(across from the Santa Village) I think there was a chiropractor and a doctor's clinic, there was a Tip Top ..okay that's another franchise.. that may have just run out of speed.. I remember there was a LOT of shuffling of the companies that owned some of these chains a number of years ago in Toronto. Who else left in the last year besides Shoppers and Zellers..(well.. they didn't leave.. they restyled the place)... has gone and under what conditions. Morris is new. And hey, he's pretty old. Where was he before? What's happening with the food area? Is someone gonna go into that bakery? That bakery. The food was a bit.. odd.. in some cases. I remember getting SOME standard food, at least I thought it standard...hmmm.. tell me about that store before I put my foot in my mouth. Smile. I forget.. is the Denture Clinic still open? It may have just been closed today when I went by. I realize a few clothing stores have left. I think both were franchises. And personally.. the clothes were a bit outmoded.. hmmm.. foot in mouth again? Smile. In fact.. are we simply seeing normal progression? Some industries maturing and being replaced by others? If I went to a mall in Winnipeg, what different stores would I see from Toronto? Are we still into a population issue? We just don't have the population for this? So maybe it IS time to try a new direction. Hmm.... Like have a mall... that's not a mall. Not the way we all remember it. Give me a rundown on your conversations, dealings with the tenants who are left. What makes them stay? Tell me about the food court (damn, that area needs better ventilation.. either that or simply NO smoking) My friends have always referred to this area as the 'food zoo.' They are partly being silly but perhaps partly being observant. There DO seem to be .. for such a small area of the mall.. a lot of characters there. Would THIS put people off from coming there? There's quite a rep for some rather 'disreputable' (for lack of a better word) characters hanging around that place. I'm not really bothered by it. I lived in Toronto. Laugh. But I DO find it odd that some days.. the percentages or these 'characters' seems a little high. What's your take on that? Anything you can really do about it? I hear tell when they closed the Mental Hospital, I think it was, a lot of the not-quite-okay.. let's say.. people gravitated to the city core.. is that what it's called?.. as they had no where ELSE to go... and they simply hang around. That's ONE issue I've heard of. And it's not just happening in the mall. It's in a lot of the downtown area. So as an experience, I'm guessing some people.. especially locals.. will gravitate to the other mall cos they just don't want to 'see' this. Thoughts? Ideas? Could this group of people be channeled in any better ways? Are there volunteer agencies that exist.. or COULD exist to channel this? So you don't end up with what appear to be a bunch of 'rummies' hanging out in the mall. I'm being dramatic. But I also remember the verve with which some woman described how annoying it was to go up the stairs to the parking lot with kids in tow. And by the way, what outside mall WOULDN'T have steel beams? Isn't that just the nature of the architecture? And what do you mean? They find it harder to park? Man... sounds like you showed up as manager at a HELL of a time. There seem to be a LOT of other people's tied up in this downtown area and mall. It's not about leasing space. Boy! ---------------------- The Keystone.. my next door neighbour at the Princess Cafe used to manage that place. What happened to that place? In fact, unless I'm mistaken.. I THINK I remember seeing that place open. What's the state of that place? Beside no traffic, why wouldn't someone go into that place? Gourmet Cup - a franchise - I know there was a problem. The last owner was ousted. There's a new one. How are their sales of the dishes they sell? Are they just a glorified coffee stand? As per Nancy's comment... would a Starbucks or other coffee franchise (or independent.. think of Forbidden Flavours. I know THEY are independents) do any better in there? Forbidden Flavours has ice cream too. That might be a good draw. They do all that cappucinno type stuff too. (I KNOW Casteleyns does well) What about a chocolate shop? You have Burger King, is it? I guess they do okay? What about the Fry guy? Then there's the sandwich shop, then the Chinese food place, then the Tater Jake's.. man.. a lot of greasy food. Do people complain? Or is there a point to be made.. there's a different crowd that wants food for lunch.. us downtowners.. then a group of people who are having a special meal.. as in french fries.. Okay.. devil's advocate..playing with one line of thinking. The majority of food eaters downtown are the people who work here. They have lunch out everyday.. maybe. They want REGULAR food..Pasta.. Over the Moon.. pizza with toppings.. Mano's and Romano's.. more restaurant from the oven food. Versus.. snack food? Burgers, burgers and fries? What do you think? Quick.. DON'T think.. Who eats lunch in the mall every day? Mums with their little kids out for a treat? Teens from school? Seniors who are more cautious about their food intake at their age or bank managers with business lunches. Okay.. I'm gonna guess the bank manager heads for Mano's.. maybe. Have we identified one issue? You need to feed the downtowners versus the snackers? Hmmm.. Downtown Toronto.. along Yonge Street near Dundas had SUCH a concentration of food areas.. you could have both. But look at Rosser. Are there any 'snack food lunch' places on Rosser? It's either a full blown restaurant will incredibly well presented food.. like Kokonas.. or a smorg.. Mano's.. or a half sandwich and soup.. Over the Moon.. Just a thought here. IS there a pattern? Do we need to turn the food area into a businessman's luncheon suite? Those rummies would have to go. And that air.. Man.. end the smoking or get better ventilation. One view. Toss me another. Maybe something comPLETELY different is happening. But let's say.. you have mothers with kids in tow... Let's be realistic.. some are on welfare, some are stay at home middle class and some are yuppy mums.. in a big hurry. Are they happy with the facilities in that mall? Hmmm.... Okay.. now.. seniors.. now you are talking two to three generations ago kinds of mindset. ("That's not the way it USED to be," they'll snif.. smile) Would they find the food area 'appropriate?' Hmm..... Man, I'm remembering the Toronto Eatons Centre suddenly. laugh. I've seen a LOT of malls in my day, I guess. I grew up in my teens near the Bramalea City Centre. I watched THAT place change a lot. I remember the Yorkdale Mall. I think that was the first mall in Canada if memory serves. We used to visit it when we came up in the summers to visit. I lived in the states from 4 to 14. They had outdoor strip malls in Baltimore. That was millions of years ago. laugh. They also had a mall indoors. I forget the name. It had a Montgomery Wards.. Eudowood.. laugh.. Eudowood plaza. Yep, I've seen a FEW malls haven't I? There are SCADS of them in Toronto. Are you familiar with any others yourself? What do the people who eat downtown generally want? I've seen The Green Olive busy at lunch, Over the Moon, that bakery place the other side of The Green Shed, (or whatever it was called) Mano's serves a pizza smorg, uhmm.. who else? I know Kokonas has recently changed hands. (I've dealt with Achla a bit) I don't know about lunch.. if it's busy but I think they have a smorg at lunch. Is variety the issue, do you think? I must admit, some days, when we were on Rosser, before Armchair Airlines moved to Princess, we ate a fair bit at the food zoo. (to be honest, we have a food account now.. at the Princess) I sometimes wished I had more non-fried food choices. That might just be me. I don't THINK the Shoppers mall is so different. There's mostly fried food. And I realize food tastes change rapidly. That's hard to pinpoint. Hey.. we used to have The Kitchen Table in Toronto. It was an upscale grocery store.. fairly small.. about the size of the Keystone?.. and they had overpriced yuppy food, a deli with a LOT of meats, and a fair sized salad bar that you bought by weight? Or has the salad bar phase passed? Tell me what you know about store trends? What kinds of stores are doing well now? God I sound like some market analyst.. how did I get here? Laugh. I've heard rumours about Best Value closing and the sign on the Red Apple (are they part of the mall per se?) says they are closing in June. Do you REALLY feel that a series of discount stores.. Best Value.. Red Apple.. is the kind of store this mall will end up with? I mean, Cleo.. man.. they seem to be doing okay. They opened that outlet. Or are they actually in trouble and making a last ditch effort? Is there noise about anyone ELSE leaving? I notice the Buck Store (the Christmas one as well) have counterparts (similar owners, I believe) in both malls. How does that work? Would it make any sense to try to ask tenants on Rosser to move into the mall? WOULD that make sense? What is the vision for the downtown.. do you think? It's not just you and the mall. It's the whole downtown. I hear about a lot of cosmetic stuff. Even parking is rather cosmetic. So you have a free parking spot. You still need stores or services for someone to come down for. I don't just mean you. I mean the whole downtown. Again, I ask these questions as I know NOTHING about how a mall operates. Fill me in. Tell me only what you are comfortable telling me about, okay? >I have had the luxury of sitting back and watching four previous managers >do their thing and learn from them. Want to give me some highlights? Were there 'eras' of management or mall activity? Were the mall managers generally women? Are the higher ups you deal with generally men? Do you get into communication issues with them.. meaning.. do they have a different viewpoint from yours? >Then the retail industry took a downturn in the late eighties, early >nineties. Are we just talking about the recession in general or something else? >In Brandon we had two malls -- ours and the Brandon Shoppers Mall >(around 27 yrs old or so). We were in competition. How is that battleground these days? Is it PALPABLE? Or do you talk to anyone up there or what? Do you still compete, even for simple activities like Wellness Days in the mall? (I notice that was up at the Shoppers. Do a lot of events come to you or do they go to the Shoppers instead? What's your taken on all that? Do you think it made SENSE to compete? (Devil's advocate again, here.. smile) >At one point, about eight or so years ago, I think we were one up on them. >Brandon Gallery was THE place where things were happening and THE place to >be. So paint me a picture of that time. And tell me what events were at the Gallery.. that have SINCE.. maybe.. moved to the Shoppers. I'm guessing here. And is it PURELY mall management that creates this sense of competition? (devil's advocate) Wouldn't it also be the franchise head offices? Franchises like to have that 'control' or their franchisees, for all the benefits one gets from being a franchise. I sense this anyway. We deal with the We Care franchises. A lot of the smaller ones are somewhat cowed by head office. Whereas.. the LARGER ones.. they tend to throw their wait around. What's YOUR take on a franchise owner? I always ask this.. psychology here.. as I'm thinking.. maybe.. there's an opportunity here to NOT go after the franchises. But to go after the independents. What's your view? >The Shoppers Mall traded hands a couple of times. We were owned by >Cambridge Shopping Centres all along. What real estate do they own now? What makes an owner decide to leave.. exactly? >When retail started taking a nosedive, both of our shopping centres had a >lot of the same "national" stores. Now was that simply standard procedure? I must admit, a LOT of malls in Toronto have the exact same stores. That's the franchises doing that. What's your opinion of franchise stores these days? Are they more of a help or a hindrance to trying to run a mall? Do you get a lot of that "I'll have to run that by head office first.. sorry.." sort of stuff? Or do you ALSO get a lot of that.. "nope.. it's not selling.. we gave it six months.. close the place"...people in such a hurry for success. I mean.. are we heading for more small businesses.. HOME-based businesses.. on-LINE businesses by the yuppies that got downsized and ousted in the late 80s who have their own businesses at home? Malls as a place to be (which was mostly for retail .. clothing, collectibles..THINGS) are of no interest to lawyers, doctors, accountants, designers.. perhaps? Is RHA indicative of a service industry wanting to come into the mall? What's your view? I remember how Home Depot and Business Depot came out of nowhere in Toronto and were suddenly EVERYWHERE.. Does Brandon have a lot of home based businesses do you think? Should we turn the mall into a home-based business resource centre? >That's when it seemed that the negative factors of our shopping centre >became more of a factor (paid parking, downtown, parkade with steel beams >and a second level to manouever around, poor visibility from the street, etc.) And I realize you also said, they tried to solve some of these problems.. but they waited too long. (as in paid parking) What could be done about visiblity? Install some kind of warning system or traffic lights or something? Do you know of any other parkades that are shaped this way? We had lots of 'round and 'round.. type parking lots.. lots of levels.. hmm.... When I think of it.. Eatons Centre had paid parking.. that's about it. Everywhere else was a large outdoor.. mostly.. parking lot. This downtown.. is a real carry-over to a 'city'.. which Brandon NEVER was. I mean as in a destination place.. you pay a premium to shop here. Or did someone seem to think so? And why didn't they notice what was happening at the Brandon Shoppers who NEVER paid for parking? You really think.. in a city that is SO driving oriented you could get away with that? Which I don't quite understand.. the city is small.. unless you are driving OUT of town.. the distances to travel are rather small. Increase the buses running and parking becomes a non-issue. People can bus it.. Okay, okay.. I know THAT isn't gonna happen any time soon. It aMAZES me that for a city so small.. people STILL have a thing about leaving their cars and taking public transit. laugh. I mean.. the Eatons Centre.. and .. hmmm.. The Queens Quay ..I THINK they had paid parking.. but the Queen's Quay.. it was right down on the lakeshore.. hmmm.. did they have paid parking.... hmmm.. Anyway, the Eatons Centre and the Queens Quay were destination malls. People came to Toronto to visit the Eatons Centre and Queens Quay. Would someone come to Brandon to visit the Gallery? But I mean.. they are JUST working with what they have. How could you FIX that? Pull out steel beams? Install wider staircases? Here, I just gave you a million dollars. How would you FIX those problems. Or are they REALLY problems? Are they maybe just excuses for not coming down.. for OTHER reasons. I'm trying to think of the Eatons Centre.. okay.. we had wider stairways.. we had escalators..We were COMPLETELY enclosed. From the time you got off the subway track, from the time you got out of your car which again, I don't know too well.. I used the subway. But it was completely enclosed. Hmm... But I mean... PEOPLE CAN COME THROUGH THE EATONS ENTRANCE. LET'S JUST CLOSE THAT SILLY STAIRWAY AND START USING THE EATONS ENTRANCE. Make sure the elevator is COMPLETELY functional. THOSE stairways are wide enough as I recall. Even the Shoppers is outside so no one can complain about walking across a parking lot and HEY.. they can go through BEST VALUE TOO! Wait a minute.. I've been sucked in.. Let's just close that stairway. Man.. Or advertise the alternates I just mentioned.. That solves the seniors and the mothers with kids issue. Okay.. now what to do with the top level parking.. Actually.. I've never USED the top level parking.. I don't have a car for starters.. laugh. I drive... I just don't have one. How do they get down? Should that parking have a cover on it? In fact.. should the entire parking area be closed in? You could use it for more.. 'somethings or other'..outside events or something.. Hmm.... on any given day.. what percentage of the two levels of parking is used? Perhaps if you made the parking free to everyone.. all the time... the people...like my boss who has to rent a parking space.. would park in the parkade. EVERYONE who works downtown would park in the parkade.. and on their way to their cars at night.. they'd think.. hmmm.. need to shop.. it's right here.. I mean.. how USED is that parkade? Could you offer up a quarter.. a section of that parkade to the traffic that comes to the downtown everyday already... there.. you've just given them something for free that they want.. and they'd be more apt to stop in the mall as they were so close already? Am I being naive here? Explain the parking problem in the downtown. What's the size.. or what IS THAT office.. area.. to the right of your office entrance? Is that used for something? >At the same time the Shoppers Mall was purchased by a new and aggressive >owner who did renovations and made it a mission to fill space at their >centre. Okay.. you seem to know WHAT they did. WHAT did they do EXACTLY? And why wouldn't this aggressive store owner simply expand his universe and buy you up? Isn't that what some of these mall owners do? Should I just go and ASK them what they do to get where they are? Is is all a case of being.. agressive.. as you say? Are they considering the population in some way? Are they out asking the residents what they want in a mall? Or did they just luck out and buy the right businesses? What's your view? >The owners of our mall did NOTHING (even though the local managers were >blowing their brains out with promotions and advertising). The owners >would not implement free parking, would not lower rents or give incentives >to prospective store owners to come into our mall, would not spend money >on signage to make it more visible. The result was a steady exodus of >stores from the centre. The Brandon market is too small to support two >retail stores of the same company. I've just come from the Web site of your previous owner. They are in the business of buying and selling malls. Profit and loss. From my conversations with Dwayne McConnell, Brandon Shoppers Mall is in the same business. They will have their growth period. Might I even guess that they now mirror you in your heyday. Everyone takes a turn at being the dominant store. You.. I don't mean you.. are gonna have to make some drastic changes in the way that mall is run. All the national retailers are up at Brandon Shoppers Mall. All the problems you now suggest that are turning people away.. never turned them away in your heyday.. The steel beams were there. The cramped stairway, the upper level parking with the poor visibility. They were all there. And you were booming. Nope.. it ISN'T that. It's someting else. I have yet to figure this out yet. I am working on it. We have a bigger, older, more with disposal income catchment area than we did in the early 90s.. well, I'm guessing that. They are building a box mall. Has your ship sailed here? Fill me in on the box mall. Oh and is RHA paying you handsomely? Or are they taking advantage? How many stores did Shoppers have when you were in your heyday? Did they expand and all the customers you once had MOVED to the expanded mall? Can you see that as a possibility? Let me know about that. No.. something else is going on. Granted, they were stupid not to lower rents. Do you know what the rents are at Shoppers? What are the range of rents at your place? What are theirs? What perks, services, add-ons, royalty fees, etc. do each of you have? Let's do a head to head comparison. If we could entice 'independent' retailers here.. with reasonable rents.. would we build a following? I think.. in the main.. the outside traffic is helping you. There are a few STRONG destination places downtown. We should go in search of more. And check the rents on the downtown street areas to the mall. Is there an advantage.. if we got someone out here to LOOK at renting/leasing a place .. to them jumping into a street level shop versus the mall? Also.. what about some kind of 'entertainment centre?' I still have to check the floor plans of all these malls to see what an entertainment centre contains. Maybe Kenny Choy is on the right track. Also.. what about a business centre? RHA is starting that. Have nothing more than a shopping centre to SERVICE these business centre tenants. (ie. Food area) And you'll hopeful get the street level (outside the mall) business tenants coming in to use the services as well. But 9-5 for the downtown business suits ISN'T enough traffic. We need other traffic too. I don't know if it's moms or seniors... or even teens.. I'll keep on thinking... >After a lot of the national stores left our centre, THEN the owners were >finally convinced to erect signage (5 yrs ago), offer free parking (4 yrs >ago), lower rents (4 yrs ago) How incredibly stupid. Dwayne says the Shopper mall power structure is NOT taking a regional.. meaning local view.. either. They .. the franchise owners?? or maybe the head offices of the franchises .. don't get out into the community and see what the community wants. They just take advertising from head office. It costs less but would it truly reflect the local flavour? We need to reflect the local flavour. I'm babbling.. >By then the perception of our mall for prospective retailers was that it >was too expensive to locate into, downtown mall, poor visibility, etc. Poor visibility? It was okay before? During your heyday... >Nor did they do very much to entice the existing tenants to stay by >lowering rents, spending money on improving the mall. Money hungry fools, it sounds like. They probably planned .. to the day.. when they would sell the place. >Anyway, Eaton's became bankrupt in October and closed. I was surprised to see one OPEN when I GOT here. >Shoppers Drug Mart built a stand-alone store on 18th Street in Feb. 1999 >and closed the store Shoppers Drug Mart is a good store. It has a lot of traffic in Toronto. They have many franchises. I don't know who used it before in the mall and I'd now be curious to know who is using it over at 18th Street. Is that the ONLY Shoppers Drug Mart in town? Interesting, if it is. Are there other POPULAR drug stores in town or something. Is this Shoppers Drug Mart fairly new? I'm also guessing that Shoppers Drug Mart head office turned a little more aggressive in Toronto..with its marketing and such. I think you caught them in an expansion mode.. as in the entire franchise network. It was profit and loss time at Shoppers Drug Mart. I dearly hope they are getting more traffic on 18th. >We now have one major store Best Value (owned by Zellers) What was the thinking on that? Zellers.. as I've noticed by their more upscale product and marketing stance with this new Club Z catalogue... is after a higher end yuppie market. They never really were in Toronto. They were always pretty.. 5 and dime.. discount shopping.. bargain. K-Mart.. that sort of thing. This is a new stance, it seems. Is it reflected in the products IN the Zellers store on Victoria, do you know? And then of course.. they do the stripped down version of the value store .. with the Best Value. I like that place. But I don't do a WHOLE lot of shopping there. I like having the food stuffs. I imagine that's partly what killed Shoppers Drug Mart. Their food stuff .. except for chips and pop type stuff... had a convenience store price quality to it. Best Value won the food stuff contingent, hands down. Their pricing is discount. Yet.. they still have to deal with Superstore and Safeway up the street. Who market pretty regularly. Hmmm.. have I ever seen a Best Value flyer? I don't know. Zellers.. of course.. but Best Value? Hmm.... >and 20 retailers - mostly locally owned. Mostly on month to month leases >paying minimal rent. Minimal.. give me a price range.. just so I can compare it to street store rents. 300 - 700 dollars? Do you have a base rent then charge a royalty fee based on a percentage of monthly sales? That's what Shoppers does, apparently. Is month to month the way of the malls right now? Is that what Shoppers does? Is it JUST too dicey to be a retailer with a yearly lease right now.. No matter WHERE you are? Locally owned.. as in.. independent? Or a franchise owned by someone locally? Month to month.. what does that do for YOUR brain? Are you wondering every 30th of the month who will give a month's notice? That SUCKS... >Our marketing budget used to be around $250,000 annually Who gave you the budget? The original mall owners? From their coffers? Or was that a percentage of the rents you collected? Lord...dy.. >and is now around $25,000 for the year. Same question.. as you have new owners. What are you using it for presently? Do you have monthly marketing processes already in place? How much of this budget is already 'locked in?' How much of this locked in marketing are you SERIOUSLY considering the value of? What seems to help? What doesn't? I know nothing about marketing. Educate me. >I have been bluffing (I feel) I'm surprised you aren't into heavy drugs at this point. You do NOT deserve to be in such a position. They made their money. They could see the writing on the wall. They were too busy empire building or something. I'm gonna study this previous mall owner. We used to have a lot of scandals in Toronto.. Over major leasing and landowning companies. I don't know how some of them got away with it. But I guess it's just that kind of business. And right now.. what's stopping the mall owners at Shoppers from doing the same thing? This is important. Give me your thoughts on that point. >and telling everyone that we are just in transition right now and we are >on our way to bigger and better things. I think ANYTHING is possible. But it definite requires some new approaches. Let's talk more about this. If I haven't already scared you off with all this thinking.. Smile. No biggie if I have. I tend to do that to people. What's the evolution of the RHA? How did you get them? Who paid for all the renovating? Did they? So now they have a say in mall matters? Is this all gonna get political? Let me know about this point.. it's important. >We would have been on our way to bigger and better things had Eaton's and >ShoppersDrug Mart remained open, along with the influx of all of the RHA >people (around 120). Sorry.. at the risk of pissing you off. Eatons.. for the size of this town.. was INCREDIBLY overpriced. They were part of a problem in management and merchandising myopia that closed a hell of a lot of stores in Toronto. I used to go through the Eatons Centre downtown and wonder why they thought they could continue to sell polyester pants for 40 year old women while stores like Roots and the Gap were capturing the new youthful styles. That was a major issue in Toronto. They sat on their laurels. They got bit. HARD. They did some renovations.. finally.. while I was still there. The downtown store went heavy duty youthful yuppie in the blink of an eye. But it wasn't fast enough. I hear rumours that the downtown store closed. That was a 3 to 4 storey anchor store. If that is true.. Why would this Eatons in Brandon have a hope in hell? No.. I remember walking through the housewares in that place. Considering the rents are so much lower here in Brandon, compared to Toronto (apt. rents) I thought maybe I was seeing things. I wasn't. They were trying to sell all the real expensive stuff that Eatons.. DOWNTOWN might carry.. in its 3 to 4 storey store. But there would be less expensive stuff there too. Same with the furniture. I was amazed at the quality stuff they had when I first arrived. Then suddenly.. they moved it out.. it wasn't selling. I mean.. this stuff was more expensive than the Brick. And the Brick in Toronto is VERY popular. Am I guessing right? They MAY have been resting on their laurels too.. Like Eatons downtown. And they got bit. BIGTIME. Shoppers Drug Mart.. I dunno. I think they may have had the traffic. But they were doing a little laurel resting too. Not good. Especially when Best Value opened with all its discount and bulk housewares and food stuffs. What does that leave Shoppers Drug Mart with.... Hmm... perfume? Smile. >When I advertise I try to highlight our unique stores----art, gifts, >gourmet coffee, etc. May I look at the marketing flyers you or people before you have done? I bet there is nothing wrong with them WHATSOEVER. I'll bet. If I may be bold here. You are playing scapegoat. To a hell of a lot of history. That is still plaguing this mall. I'm sure there's SOMETHING we can do. I'm sure you aren't the first mall this has happened to. I will keep digging for ideas. I'll do some surfing in the Toronto area and see what I come up with. I may be able to glean what similar malls in Toronto did with the same problem you are experiencing. It couldn't POSSIBLY be unique. >which we do have and also the fact that we are located downtown >within walking distance to over 500 stores and services. Definitely. See? I really don't think it's you. There is no real good reason for this happening due to any lack of marketing on YOUR part. I believe that. You've had the experience of your predecessors too. Yanno? I've seen the Shoppers marketing. Nothing special happening there. Smile. Tell me about your print....as in newspaper.. ads. I don't read the paper. I didn't much in Toronto either. What about other media? Radio, etc. Show me copy on this if you can. I'm simply curious, is all. >I really would like to have an unbiased honest opinion as to what people >think about Brandon Gallery. I don't think I'm unbiased. In fact, I probably am misreading this mall in ways beyond my understanding. But you ARE getting input from a person who has seen a lot of malls in her life. Make sense? Hope all this noise I am spouting helps in some way. Sorry, if I overwhelm. Sorry. >I have heard a lot of negative comments about our centre. Ask them to write it down. Save them for me. I want to know who is saying this and what they are actually contributing to the solution or the problem. It's so easy to be negative. It takes almost no effort what.. so.. ever Laugh. >We really do need to get MORE retailers. True. But I'm sure there is an approach to this. I mean, there are plenty of kinds of stores. I think this is something to be studied a bit. As in what will WORK in the mall, yanno? >Some of the prospective retailers I have talked to don't want to come into >the centre as there is very little traffic. We can't get more traffic >unless we have more stores. Chicken and egg.. I know. Smile. That's why I wonder.. if Nancy's idea about free rental to the big three retailers she mentioned.. Subway..BlockBuster.. Rogers.. or something comparable.. Might work. What do you think? It's like.. get a store IN here.. like them.. help them up the wazoo... the stores are empty anyway.. right now... But it MIGHT just build the traffic you need to get the OTHER retailers in here. Scarey stuff.. but it makes sense. And maybe.. they can help you out in other ways.. as in THEIR marketing budgets.. or products for contests or something that they would provide for free. A strange cross-promotion scheme.. sort of.. Smile. >I used to do a lot of promotions and events at the centre. Could you run me up a list of what and how you did these events and promos? Again, I'm just curious at to the past events. It may help my thinking of future events. Make sense? >We used to have semi-annual craft sales----we only got a couple of >participants at the last one. Interesting. Has Shoppers attempted this lately? Do you track their activity a bit at all? Give me details on these partipants. I'm trying to build a profile on who has been doing this in the past.. What kinds of people.. businesses.. etc. >I tried a Crafters Corner during the Christmas season. Are you attempting any tie-ins with the local craft shops? Stupid question. So shoot me. But could you answer the question anyway? Smile. >A room where crafters could set up for a day or two days for a very small fee ($25) to sell during the Christmas season. It bombed! Go talk to the craft store lady across from the City Hall. I think her name is Colleen. Ask her if she wants to do a craft demo or two or something. I know this woman to be 'hungry.' She needs some help. Maybe YOU can help. Let me know if you do. I'll talk to her as well. We could come up with some ideas. Easy, inexpensive ones.. and get a mob of volunteers from the Women's Centre or Seniors for Seniors.. Or something. Again.. is this a fad that has faded? Or is there a different KINDS of 'crafter' out there these days? Are they into a different QUALITY of crafts? I sent you the URL of that woman who does dolls, didn't I? Ellen Harris? I see this Crafters' Den on 6th Street, is it? And Wedding Wonderland. And there's one.. a new one... across from the City Hall. Hmmm.. Too many crafters? It's wall to wall on the net. Hmmm... Again.. could it be the QUALITY of the crafts? >We do have the Farmers Market on our parking lot every Saturday from 9am >to noon from June to the end of Sept. Yes. I know. I keeping forgetting to go there. I've seen it once. Hmmm.. I'll think about this concept. >We have them on the mall during Nov. & Dec. Do you get a large number of farmers.. or urban garders? Or who? Who sells the stuff? >We have invited all non-profit and charitable groups to come into the >centre any time to sell raffle tickets/informational display or use any of >the vacant space for any event. I think that's nice. But to be cold-blooded.. do they thank you for it? Hmm... Are you making best use of the free initiatives you have. Are people simply taking advantage of you then wandering off? That's why I like the idea of a day care centre.. run by the Women's Centre. They are giving YOU something you need, at least. >I am willing to try anything, anytime as long as we can afford it and as >long as its legal. Laugh. Okay.. put the gun down.. Laugh. Me too. I think.. if you are willing to try.. we can figure something out. I'm thinking about NON money ideas right now. Smile. >We are currently for sale again As in mall owners? As in ENA Realty is off to greener pastures? They were here a year. What were they thinking? >....and have an offer pending (very close to closing). Are you worried for your job? Be straight with me, okay? >Hopefully the new owners will WANT to do something with the centre >and have plans for it. I can beat my brains out trying to do things for >the centre, but the centre needs an owner who will do something with it >and give prospective tenants incentives to come into the centre. Agreed. I agree completely. We shall see what happens. If you are STILL interested.. I am interested too. Okay? Is this another realty company? With too many malls that it owns? Smile. >We need someone to concentrate on leasing out the spots and put a leasing >plan in place. I don't understand that process. Explain it to me. Do you spend the day simply BUGGING people to buy a mall space? Smile. Yes.. I think a leasing plan is a reasonable thing to shoot for. >Currently we do not have a leasing plan. We have a fellow in Wpg who is >supposed to be leasing out space. Who's relative is he? Smile. How did this happen? >He has never visited the centre except for on weekends when he is out to >visit his parents. I do not feel he is actively seeking stores nor does >he have a plan. Sounds like I could do his job better than he and I haven't a clue what this is about. Laugh. Not good. What would YOU do in his place? >Anyway, I have to go get ready to go out now.....as I think of stuff I >will forward it to you. Thank you for your interest. I love to hear >other people's opinions....it expands my horizons and thinking!----Linda Well, like I said.. if you still want to talk to me after this great tome I've just laid on you, come on down. If not.. no biggie. Smile. Heather From ???@??? Mon Dec 13 01:22:26 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: A non-essential email.. read the next.. IT's got the mall ideas Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <38546844.6F2CDCF8@mb.sympatico.ca> References: X-Eudora-Signature: Cool. I'm pleased I have not scared you off. Be forward with me. Let me know if I baffle you at all, okay? Hi. My name is Heather and I know where you are. We can also continue to talk about our philosophies but I will send you another email my insane ideas (so far) for the mall. I've been letting my brain flow like a tiny stream this afternoon. I luckily have learned to stop editing myself so be prepared for SOME rambling and inconsistency. But understand. Though my words may not be clear, I am the sort of person who continually analyzes and tinkers with an idea once it starts. I look for feedback and input from ANYONE who will give me some. And eventually.. sometimes.. the idea(s) take form. Read over the insanity I will send shortly. I will also respond to your last email as well, okay? Let me know when you are physically free and we can start going through the mall and looking at maybe (if you agree, of course) with some ideas I've had. Or you can explain some of yours to me as well. And understand one important element here. I have no loyalties to anyone.. right now.. except to Armchair Airlines and some days it is tentative at best. Any other people I mention in this mix are not "little cronies" of mine that I am bringing on board to complicate things. They are people .. at the moment.. who may help fullfill a function. Functions can be accomplished by anyone. The idea is simply to start SOMEWHERE. I am looking for power centres -- people who seem to have a layer of influence -- and seeing how far they can take the ideas. No, I'm not manipulative. I find out what they want and try to incorporate it with things I am working on. You may even find that strange. A lot of people don't understand me as they can't see MY agenda. It makes them suspicious. The laughable thing is: MY agenda.. is finding out and helping shape.. perhaps.. THEIR agenda. So, like, how can I walk in the room and tell you want I wanna do til I know what YOU wanna do? Laugh. And I realize that's hard for SOME people cos they could never fathom thinking that way. They are too used to walking in a room and saying.. "okay.. this is what _I_ am gonna do. Idiots. And they lose HALF their manpower.. right there. A sidestep to philosophizing: People all live their lives in tiny little bubbles. You can't see those bubbles. The seams are almost hidden. But they walk through their day, doing their pre-planned "thing," trying any way they can to get THEIR way and not burst their little bubbles while they do it. It's understandable. Most people have a threshold on how much they can take in, how much they can handle, how much they can process. And they gravitate toward similar people. Again, makes sense. I'm not complaining. It's just.. sometimes... it's boring to someone like me. And sometimes it's frustrating too. Especially when what's HAPPENING inside their little bubble.. really.. isn't working anymore. But they get REAL pissed when I tell them the emperor has no more clothes. They kick and scream and call me names and say I am trying to be controlling.. etc., etc., etc. I always find it funny to be told I am.. the very things they do.. themselves.. laugh. But then, that makes sense.. hmm.. I just thought of this.. they think everyone thinks the same way THEY do. So OF COURSE I must be being controlling, or have my own agenda, or am selfish, or mean, or short-sighted, or inconsiderate, or.. Laugh. Damn.. laugh. So be ready for a lot of this from the people we meet. And feed me info on situations and people YOU are familiar with to the best of your ability. I'll throw out some thoughts too. Psychology has always interested me. But in the real world sense. Trying to understand why people think the way they do. I also thought of one more thing today. A bit of ... whatever kind of thinking you wanna call this. Think of a circle. This circle has three layers. There are three kinds of people. We will understand their agendas BASED on what layer they tend toward. (I'm not saying it's as cut as dried as third circles, there are degrees to anything) But this will explain me a bit. I am starting to realize.. have for a while that I am on the 'outer' circle. I used to be on the second layer. But I've moved to the outside. Here's the thought. The people in the inside circle are actors. They act, they expect people to look at them. They are self absorbed. There is nothing else in the world but them. Four year olds. I'm being brief. Laugh. The next layer of the circle holds the directors. They are the teachers, the managers, the doctors, the guys who feel the need to 'control' an 'area' of space, let us say. They were probably once actors. We are all capable of being actors. In some ways it is the purest way to be. Only it is not good if we are actors and become sociopaths who don't think of others.. ever. But here you have the directors directing the actors and each gets a certain jolt of pleasure out of controlling, being controlled, creating, nuturing.. it's not all negative. But directors and teacher have a flaw. They PRESUME that people _need_ directing. They PRESUME that people _need_ coaching, _need_ nuturing of a prescribed formula.. 'follow these rules, dear, they're good for you,' etc. But that isn't the case. And the paradigm shifts in this world are showing just how unhelpful that circle can be. They forget. It's the ACTOR that pays their salary. Without the actor.. with their tiny 'agenda'.. the director has no one on stage. But too many directors.. managers.. mall owners.. have forgotten this point. You piss the mall merchant off, the actor off.. he's gonna leave. I spent a lot of my life being one or the other. We all do. Actor, director, student, teacher. They serve their purpose. Til the day comes that I decided or realized (or I dunno what) and stopped trying to "teach"... to HELP without asking what they needed help with or IF they even _needed_ help. I've always been pretty good at listening to people anyway. (Despite all the talking you've seen you do so far. Laugh) I've always tried to find out what THEIR agenda is and see if it dovetails with mine. Production coordinator. Peacemaker. Go-between. I was the middle child. What can I tell you? Laugh. But I make a point of asking people first now. I don't presume to know what they need. I LOOK for clues, granted. New ideas. But I pitch them a few times then pull back and listen. And hope for a bite. I feel a bit like a fisherman these days. Casting my net for what I do not know. Which brings me to the third layer of the circle. I'm not sure the word is right, but I think it fits what I am trying to do. I am a collaborator. I go around, finding actors.. and directors .. and listening to what they are about. I don't deny I want to see some things happen. In larger sense, I have 'an agenda.' But it's not in controlling anyone, it's not in being at the centre of any universe, though I am quite capable of taking on either one of those roles. I really WANT to collaborate. I want to find someone who has an idea they've stuck on a back shelf in their heart and never quite 'gotten to it.' I know Nancy wants to be a singer and Derek wants to be a photographer. And I've put them on my list and I'm trying to find ways to help them get there. And IF in the meantime, I can find something that dovetails with all that, I will. I am having fun right now learning about the music industry because I met Nancy and have done a lot of photography and am working on ways of doing something with it so maybe Derek will end up doing something in the world he is SO enamoured of he could scream. laugh. (He's also a sound engineer, too, so if we need a sound man, we'll know who to ask, okay? Smile.) So since I've mentioned it and now you know what I am TRYING to do.. and don't have to worry about me stealing anything of yours or ousting you or god knows WHAT some of the people I have encountered recently have thought... Tell me what you want. Would you say you are in transition and can't answer that question? Do you want to take a raincheck on that and get back to me? Or is there something you've wanted for a long time.. and just haven't acted on it. Let me know, okay? Heather From ???@??? Mon Dec 13 06:39:32 1999 To: Linda From: Heather Subject: Insanity 101 Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Okay.. I haven't dotted the i's and crossed the t's and it's probably easier to show you then tell you but I'll give it a try. Okay... Are we gonna get any tenants in those empty stores before the New Year? No? So that means no revenue, right? ------------------ Millenium Madness ------------------ Okay.. so forget about asking for rent. (Just this month. Til Jan 1st. We try something different by then.) They come in for December only. If they have to sign something, they do it, like yesterday and get the empty places filled with stuff. It doesn't have to be jammed packed. We can figure out arrangements on any details. But we simply get them in there and ask for a percentage of the sales that anyone we get into the mall between now and the end of the year can give us. End of sentence. This is not long term. We are not bringing in assholes of any nature. We are creating some more merchandise options for the few shoppers we will get in here from now to the 1st of January. December is a brisk month. No matter WHAT the economy. It is simply insane to worry about long term when people are hungry to buy things for Christmas. We should look hard at some of these businesses who stick their wares in the store windows downtown.. people like that. They may be interested in using us as a temporary 'warehouse.' Emphasize you are insane. This is ONLY for the month of December. They want some visibility. You want stores filled. They are willing to play this game. You let them. No fiddly deals. Pack the furniture in a truck, bring the cel phone, rent a cash box, hire a part-timer or something. And be open from 9 to 9 EVERYDAY. None of this.. "the store is closed half the time crap".. that Kenny Choy had to put up with. They want the space.. they hire someone.. or make some kind of deal with us to have people who are already IN the mall, work their stores... we could do something like that do.. hire mall watchers who watch a strip of the mall. And take down information from interested buyers or something. Let's make some money. More money than none which is what we are making if those stores are empty. And we make no deals, and we make no promises. We are merely 'filling the mall.' til the millenium. We can TRULY cite this as a case of 'Millenium Madness...Don't ask, just get down here and sell stuff." Laugh. We get on the phone.. run up and down the street, talk to WHOEVER and get that mall filled up. Every functioning place that we can offer to someone who would be willing to bring their stuff into the mall and stock the empty stores with stuff, we ask. This is definitely one reason why I'd like to go through the place with you, store by store and talk about dimensions, phone services, power outlets, repairs, etc. (you also mentioned cobwebs.. laugh) ---------------------------- Making use of what we've got ---------------------------- Okay.. this is one of the do-it-soon ideas... we can discuss this. Just hear me out on this one. I've seen the coat check area. The Seniors for Seniors are there with their raffle tickets, right? Fill me in if I'm incorrect on anything here. Someone.. Seniors for Seniors is doing gift wrapping. Okay.. I'm being dramatic...hear me out. Oh isn't this nice.. the Seniors are being used for hanging coats and wrapping packages. There's something dead and dying about that. I can't explain. They stand apart.. from the real mall. We only need the old people for coat check. There may be other activities in that area. Fill me in. But what I saw in the mall the other day.. bugged me. Seniors .. four or five of them.. looking like lost, forgotten coats in a huge room.. that room is so big.. with bits of wrapping paper. That's as close to the action as we allow those old farts. They should be off DYING somewhere where we don't have to look at them, is what... Laugh.. Yuck...I don't like it. Okay... try this. I don't know which room yet.. but do this. Take Santa out of the middle of the mall. He's blocking the view to Cleo's. The mall is too narrow to be blocked in any way ..especially if it gets busy. Put the Santa Village any place he will fit.. if something in that display is too high.. welll... remove it. Put Santa Village in... Shoppers's Drug Mart.. bright White.. near food.. break time for mom.. feed the kids.. wander all over Santa.. Cleo's is sighing with relieve.. Damn little kids.. crawling all over the clothes while they wait to see Santa.. laugh.. Or.. put Santa in the corner store right across from where he is now. Whichever place we end up with.. do this.. (Talk to Seniors for Seniors on MORE ideas for this as well. They should be made to feel 'included.' As it should be. There are some clever people in that bunch) Seniors in with the kids.. (maybe a bit of a day care or kid pit stop.. if not abused that is....)maybe even a reading or storyteller session of Santa stories.. Seniors leading kids in carols.. or other Seniors who come to hang around. Or maybe at tables with simple crafts.. maybe decorate the tree...Get a tree... behind you.. at Lindberghs.. decorate it with stuff from the mall. Get the damn merchants to donate it for Chrissake.. laugh. You can put up a board of recognition and stick all the store owners names on it.. employees too. Get those Seniors out of that damn desert of a hugh store.. if they all fit.. put em in the corner store with Santa as well. Close.. family.. together.. a little more comforting.. a little more cheery. A little more welcoming. Still do gift wrapping. Get Jack Boretsky in to do origami.. ADD the origami to the packaging. THAT would be cool. Jack is a bit of a personality problem. I'm not sure why. I've met him a couple times. To be honest, he's on meds. But that shouldn't stop him from doing origami. He's this bear of a man... who disappears in his love of origami. It's sweet. It's sad. We can pop for paper for him. And buy the guy lunch or dinner or whatever. He entertains the kids at Picklefest with this. He IS a caution. I grant you. But he may be okay. And he's taking care of someone else's mother.. on top of all this. I know him not well enough but I trust him more than most people. I can see his passion. It's helping older people and playing and storytelling with kids and making origami. Let me know how you feel about this one. It's a caution area but it may prove positive outcome as well. Okay.. now Derek and Santa... ---------- Santa Tour ---------- Women's Centre in the Mall.. asap................. Okay.. now you said the Women's Centre is gonna wait and do the board room thing..in January... I'm being dramatic. Bullshit. Tell them to call everyone. They've been looking for a place for ages. Get them in the mall. NOW..Even if it's just people at a table with silly flyers.. yeeeeshh... Shit. That Terri wouldn't know a marketing opportunity if it jumped up and bit her on the ass. laugh. PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CRAWLING ALL OVER THAT MALL FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. NOW IS THE TIME TO ADVERTISE/PROMOTE/SHAKE THE DAMN MONEY TREE FOR THE WOMEN'S CENTRE BUNCH.. Call her. Be polite. But firm. Call Nancy if you have to. Nancy is part of that group. Nancy understands marketing opportunities..Mary Annis is another person with them. So is Sheri Dector. Talk to SOMEONE. Do it NOOOW.. laugh.. Sigh.... Call the New Life Health care bunch. They are right across the hall from Terri. Talk to them about maybe handling day care or even ELDER care a bit in case we wanna offer that.. which between now and Christmas.. I think.. is a real good idea.. don't you? Get them or the Womens' Centre to do this. I'm more apt to think paid help from the New Life.. I've seen how stressed and tired that Women's Centre bunch is. (I'm guessing as to whether they do kid day care. I know We Care does. And they MIGHT just be hungry enough to discuss a space.. near Terri.. even.. for their home care agency. Again, they are a service industry. They would bring their OWN clients. Be helpful on rent for them too as they could bring traffic as it leaves the RHA or something.. (I'm still not clear what services the RHA provides in there but I imagine there's seniors) I bypass We Care as Audrey Trevors has lots of business. I don't think she needs a boost. Who knows? You COULD just ask. It never hurts to ask. And they would bring their own client base too. Ask her what she's paying currently in rent at the Scotia Towers. Still, I like the potentially hungry ones. Which New Life may be. I don't know what they are about. I don't know how good they are. They may be in as bad a franchise base as We Care is. Oh the people are okay.. head office are a bit stupid. okay.. running out of steam here. I can't believe I just did this. (note.. I wrote all the sections below earlier.) I may stop when I finish the Derek bit. Talk to Derek. He's clever. He'll think up stuff. ----- Santa ----- Derek.. ask him and Santa if they can start at noon. Everyone is on lunch from noon to one. They MAY be coming into the mall. Show them Santa. Even if you have Derek and Santa wandering the mall saying hi to people, shaking hands. See if you could have Derek and Santa tour around outside in the downtown. See what they say.. pay them more.. Smile....Take pictures of Santa visiting people. Either with our digicam.. I'd need to run this by Dave.. he may not like it..or rent one.. go see Rob Lovatt at Don's Photo.. maybe they will rent you a digicam in trade somehow. Get Rob Lovatt in here taking photos of people in the mall. He likes taking pictures of people. We can start a web site for pictures. See if Rob will use the digicam. There's the possible tie-in so you don't pay. Or do some reciprocating with Don's Photo.. Hmmm.. do you need a photography studio in the mall? Talk to Derek about such Ideas. Derek could be an excellent studio photographer.. So could Rob.. Trust me.. it would be a dream come true.. if we figure it out right.. for the both of them. See if you could have Santa and Derek eat lunch and dinner at stores around town. The Santa Tour. Take Derek in there with Santa and take digiphotos of Santa and the waitresses. Explain how we are pushing for the mall..Ask Derek to show you the Twoonies Tours.. We can take a few photos of the restaurants or places Santa visits. Get him out into the community. If Santa can't start a little bit of Christmas merchants outside and inside the mall banding together a bit.. nobody can. Put photos on Web site. Have Derek and Santa let kids know where they will be eating. We could announce it on the Web site.... say.. come eat with Santa.. He's having lunch at Over the Moon today...Take pictures. Over the Moon may possibly get some business from it.. see what I mean about figuring out what people need and giving it to them.. then it helps YOU? See if you can get Santa and Derek for dinner and lunch. See if Pascal can be cared for in the kid care area. ------------------------ More Christmas Cheer ------------------------ Get people to bring in a Christmas Cheer parcel. Get them to have their digipic taken with it.. We can put it on a donors Web page. Have a flat card .. cover stock, cream.. say.. that they can sign a greeting on it and add it to the present. Find a way to note what is IN the parcels in case that is a problem. Have Derek tag the bottoms or have the gift wrappers write something on it. I imagine they normally want unwrapped gifts cos they don't know what's in em.. So we TELL them what's in em... or ask the shoppers to buy a craft.. that the kids can sit in the kid care area and create while mom shops.. and have the pic taken.. have the present wrapped.. and placed under that tree.. laugh.. Fill the base of the tree with WRAPPED presents for the Christmas Cheer Registry. We can take daily digipics of it filling up. Maybe even do a little free publicity pushing with the Brandon Sun...what the hey.. they owe you. For years and years of good economy and your merchants buying ads in their newspaper. Use it. Get the seniors in on this too. I'm probably forgetting something about the Santa Tour. I'll tell you later. I'm off to sleep.. but you can read on... -------------------------------------------------------- Three franchises -- free rent for a year to get traffic -------------------------------------------------------- Also.. get on the phone to those three places Nancy suggested. (rent free space for a year for Subway, Starbucks, Rogers Video -- to build traffic) If you are interested I will ask her for more input. I mentioned what was going on to her. SHE believes Brandon CAN support two malls. SubWay submarines - call the one on Victoria. Though I THINK the franchise on 18th is owned by the same people. Ask them about taking a spot in the food area. I just figure, start with someone who is already HERE. Why go after a new person? They might just be interested if you discuss the free... yes, free for a year rent that Nancy suggested..and also.. you could discuss.. getting a percentage of sales. THAT would probably be fair enough. If it isn't making them any money.. at least they aren't worrying about paying the rent. And call the Rogers and Blockbuster on 18th. See if they would be interested in a regular or smaller store with the same.. no rent.. with my idea of a percentage of sales..OR them giving you some kind of marketing help and promotional advice.. prizes.. etc.. for the mall. ------------------------------------------------------------- Find the things you need from the people you are dealing with -------------------------------------------------------------- Find the things YOU need from the people you are dealing with. This isn't about money right now. It's about building certain kinds of traffic in the mall. (and I'm suggesting you go to the two established places versus calling head office. They HAVE a franchise already. They may be more willing to talk deals as it will be a sort of 'affiliate' store.. like the "Just a Buck" stores are housed in both malls. Call a Starbucks head office. Talk to Nancy first, if you have any issues on this one (since you may be starting from scratch versus dealing with groups that are already here.) I realize you have The Gourmet Cup. But owing to the silly reason why the original manager was let go -- he was buying cheaper coffee from OUTSIDE the franchise...I don't completely trust the Gourmet Cup. I think they are playing it safe. Let me know if there is any crap about a current store having exclusive rights to being the 'coffee shop' or anything. Actually, right now, I could care less. --------- Keystone? --------- And let's have a conversation about doing SOMETHING with the Keystone. Maybe we could spruce it up for catered parties or a dinner club or dinner theatre or something. I hear you on the smoking. We'll work on that. HELL.. turn an empty store into a smoking shop. ----------- Cigar store ----------- Sell cigarettes and cigars and they can sit and smoke til they cough up a lung. But put a DOOR on that store. laugh. Sure you are pissing off smokers. But you are also pissing off NON smokers.. and I imagine SOME of them.. have already left. Yanno? Til the landowner gets a huge air sucking device in that area, no matter WHO you put in that food area.. they are gonna be pissed by the smoke. Funny.. the pancake restaurant.. Smitty's at Shoppers.. is horrible too. What are these people THINKING? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Forbidden Flavours - And independent with a Casteleyn's quality to them ----------------------------------------------------------------------- You MIGHT also talk to Forbidden Flavours on Victoria. Ask them if they would be interested in coming into the mall on a similar arrangement. They have ice cream and they also have coffee that they have beans for. And they do a kind of cafe style thing in there too. They are independents. I talked to Zita.. I think that's her name... about working on a silly Web site once. She was interested. I like people who are 'interested' in new ideas. You might even be so bold as to ask HER for some suggestions of what to do. ============ While I think of it.. did you know Casteleyn's is trying to sell their business? Cecile is sweet, the store has a lot of traffic. But what's interesting.. is they want to move to Toronto. They have a lot of family there and family that travel to Canada and Toronto is more accessible. She mentioned this to me. I was rather surprised that they were selling. But someone told me they are asking way too much. Are we talking money grubbers here? I'm not sure. I talked to the sons. They are earnest types. But I suppose they have their reasons for the price tag. They may get someone buying it.. and the chocolate can stay if the party is interested (they make the chocolate themselves) By the same token.. Linda.. we should be looking at that store.. HARD.. They have a steady bit of traffic. They aren't THAT far up the street from us. Create a Casteleyn's in the mall, we may just get some of that traffic. I don't know for sure.. but. That lifestyle sort of store is definitely something to consider. People like hanging out in fancy places. Yanno? While I think of it.. we should talk to the bookstores about having a hangout type book place.. library?.. like Chapters. They have places to hang out. ------- Library ------- Nancy mentioned a satellite bookmobile. How about this? Get a stash of new books/ used/discount books.. whatever from the local bookstores.. do an exchange in promotion for the cost of the books or something. (try NOT to spend money.. this is gonnna be a long term exchange sort of thing.. it'll cost too much to be constantly buying books. Maybe we'll even accept books from readers.. to an extent) and create a small library. We could tie in with the public library too. But I want to be careful about institutions like that. Too many rules. Too many committees. These people don't need to think in terms of 'retail' selling. I want this book library.. somehow.. as well... to make money. We could have authors nights when they come in to read. We could charge admission. Funny.. it doesn't occur to me if any of the bookstores or even the library have authors in or book-related dues.. I know the Campus Bookstore does. Strange.... I talked to Bonnie Martin of Prairion magazine. She seems to think the library sucks. Not enough books? I'm not sure. I'm spoiled. I had 'libraries' in Toronto. Give credit to all bookstores who supply books. A bookplate in each book. A quiet plug to the bookstore for people who INVARIABLY read a book and still want to buy it. We might even suggest getting current books from them.. build some kind of book club/buying club/reading club to tie in with the downtown bookstores who contribute to the store.. and stick a computer in there so they can buy books from Amazon.com. Smile. Ken Jaworski is a guy I want to find some business to do with him. He's manager of the downtown Candlewood's. McGilligans is good too. They have story telling evenings. We should do a tie in / cross promote on that idea. I'm thinking there are a lot of book readers out there. I don't know what kind of traffic Coles gets but something tells me they are resting on laurels... again.. Sigh. People are definitely into books. Again, if I was merely wishing.. I'd get Candlewood downtown and McGilligans and Coles to donate a stash of fairly new books to a satellite or cafe-style.. library.. reading place. Put a door on it. I MEAN QUIET. A place to come to for quiet. No kids running around making noise.. I'm talking the study hall in the major libraries.. NO noise. Imagine creating such an oasis in a downtown area. That might be pleasant. It might take some renovations, mind you. --------------------------------- Renovation/construction companies --------------------------------- Oh and who do we want to deal with for renovations.. you got any favourites? A small connect. VERY small. I talk to Keay Dobson. Her husband run Goelletz (sp) Construction. The interesting thing about Keay is she was one of the original Folk Fest board. I talked to her briefly the other day about background. Here is a woman who made a jump. And is enjoying herself. Two years ago, at the peak of her teaching career, she opted out. She wanted to spend more time with her husband. Keay.. pretty woman.. in her fourties.. part of all that local 40 something network. I think she would KNOW a lot of the yuppies we have in this town. I like her.. so far.. she seems geniune and is happy. She is still involved in things, has a lot of background in organizing, volunteer management, music. (she was involved with "Annie" at Neelin High school in some way.) She's one to jot a note down on somewhere, Linda.. -------------------- Restaurant resources -------------------- Also.. Anthony in Over the Moon..He's manager and a chef. I don't know him well. But he has a great little restaurant there. I THINK it's doing well. He caters too. Perhaps he'd want to do a little chatting about.. SOMETHING.. in the mall. Yanno? Hold that thought. I haven't figured anything out yet. Oh yes.. and there's Larry Devries of the Chef's association. Neil Ennis -- he's in that Bakery Restaurant near Crocus Credit Union.(I think that's the spelling of his last name) and he are part of the bunch who created the New Year's eve in September dining.. Larry is a teacher. That fancies himself a gourmet. Which he might just be. He might be just the right 'personality' for a chef in a restaurant, or a cooking school, or a nice little open air food fest. (do a search on the Queen's Quay Loblaw's open market. (Loblaws is YOUR Superstore brand) Do a search on President's choice gift baskets, for all that.) There is definitely a market for fine dining... I mean FINE dining..or cooking classes for yuppies with dinner afterwards... hmm.... We just need to figure out how to market it. --------- Le Marche --------- Speaking of markets.. See what you can find on a restaurant/open food area called Le Marche..it's an open area.. fresh food concept. Nothing so special but good food. GOOD bread. We need more bread store around here. Laugh. We used to have an 'Open Window' Bakery in Toronto. They sold cookies.. bread, sandwiches and things like chicken pot pie. Yuppie manna, again. The Eatons Centre had one. I imagine it can be copied in a fashion if we can't get a franchise in here. Hmmmm.. where to put it.. is all.. In Shopper's Drug Mart? As in.. expand the food area? That's a thought. Have Le Marche, a Casteleyn's type coffee shop.. maybe Starbucks...a Video browsing area a la Blockbusters.. or this library... hmmm.. in Shoppers's Drug Mart. For the next while.. anyway.. ----------------- Spending money... ---------------- And no.. NO renovations. They want renovations, they pay for it themselves. You are offering them no rent for a year with perhaps a discusssion about giving you a percentage of sales or HELPFUL marketing resources. And in particular, with the freebies on rent.. they make themselves available to talk marketing strategies with you. From here on out.. anyone who comes into this mall is contributing to the solution. NOT sitting around and bitching and becoming part of the problem. -------------------------- Talking to current tenants -------------------------- Do you get out and talk to your merchants? (and NOT just the owners.. ALL the employees as well. I believe in going to the source for answers. I don't believe in ivory towers. We talk to the people on the 'shop room floor' as it were and they will provide us with solutions that SHOULD have been staring us in the face from word go.) We need to start doing that. Let's play good cop/bad cop and find out what problems they are having, how we can help them and how they can help US. It's that 'collaborator' mentality I was talking about. Have you ever considered moving the office down to the mall? It's called 'management by walking around.' Pick up any 'Excellence' books by Tom Peters. You get a drift of what I mean. (But let's not go overboard. I've also read about 'addictive' companies.. Let's not go there, okay?.. I want us all to end up healthy.. okay?) ------------------------------------------------------- Rotating signage problems? -- Transportation resources ------------------------------------------------------- Let's talk to Anne Boychuk about 'temporary signage.' She's the favored artist at the moment and seriously I'd also like to find some other revenue streams for her. She and I talked about this a good while ago. She'll also be a little stressed right now but if she gets a call from a mall manager.. versus li'l ole me.. laugh.. she might just make some time to sit down and do a bit of brainstorming. Mind you, she likes getting paid. But I want her INVOLVED in this.. NOT just a hired hand. She has a teaching art in schools background. She's done that in town here. She does face painting at festivals. She might have a few tricks up her sleeve. And her husband (Ray?) runs Four Way Taxi. I haven't figured it out yet but somehow we should try setting up taxi service for seniors or handicapped or something... to "come to the mall." Also.. Lindsay Restaphanuk of the Handi-Trans (his son and Derek are friends) is a REAL service oriented guy. We should talk to BOTH of them about some kind of regular or semi-regular service. While I'm thinking of it, we should talk to the city or the transit about deals on 'trips to the mall' or something. Getting some cross-promotion in this area going is possibly helpful too. We should think about promotions that target each demographic. No.. I'm not talking about spending any money.. yet. Let's just put this point on the agenda. We should talk to Nancy about this...as in.. WHO comes to the mall... presently. I'd like a chance to walk through the mall with you. I don't feel the need for us to be writing all this stuff down all the time.. though email is VERY handy.. smile. But we should discuss what's in the mall now.. tenants-wise.. and what we can do to help them or improves things for them or get other serivices and businesses in here to complement them.. or something. ---------------- The Rusty Circle ---------------- Hmmm... what about some of these straggler stores.. on the edge of the downtown.. The Rusty Circle.. I have been talking to Kelly for different reasons but I think she is a good person to discuss something.. not sure yet.. with... as she represents an independent AND a younger crowd of culture. ---------- SunSeekers ---------- I haven't talked to them yet but Joyce recommmended them when I asked about a travel agent. Linda Campbell is possibly a good ideas person and they have a related insurance business. Insurance business/travel agents.. in the mall.. each bringing their own clientelle. Some people WANT to be that far down Rosser. A lot of people have moved OUT of that area. I wonder what Sunseeker's status is. They may be hungry and up for discussions on crazy ideas. Mark that one down as well. And there's a guy there. I talked to him briefly. Now I forget his name. But he's President of the Fall Fair. Interesting connect. (oh and Randy MacDonald.. he's gonna be at Twoonies in two weeks. He's the marketing manager for the Provincial Exhibition.. just a thought.. always interesting to know some of the power centres, Linda. He's a singer. Friend of Nancy's. So is Diane Nelson.. another Twoonies singer.) -------------------------- Laundrymats and Joyce Koke -------------------------- Nancy suggested a laundrymat in Kenny Choy's Prairie Lanes. I've heard tell that the laundry that Kenny rents to the tenants for...way down west on Rosser before 18th.. is closing. I wonder if they would be interested in discussions on either coming INTO the mall or selling machines... Also.. Joyce Koke of Country Costumes.. a rental service for costumes who I have been talking to about themed web site ideas.. ran.. or is running a laundrymat in a small town for the summer. She just got into it.. ran into some problems and is probably gonna sell it. Maybe she'd entertain some ideas in helping with a laundrymat in the mall.. yes.. you heard me.. that's another of Nancy's ideas for Kenny. I think we might look at a dry cleaner too, in keeping with the business services mall idea. Though I realize there is a place up the street across from the city hall. Ask them.. Maybe they'd do a deal.. again.. as an affiliate. But another reason why Joyce might do the laundrymat. She's got rental costumes to clean. Maybe we could have a laundrymat, tailor-type shop. She sews costumes..maybe she has some other ideas for that too. She does this nomadic thing (she just took over the business this year, I think) from someone. She rents a store for the Halloween season to rent costumes. I imagine she'd do something like that in the mall. It would be a good traffic thing cos in a sense.. she's unique in town and is supplying her own clientelle.. (yeah.. THOSE are the businesses we should target..the ones with their own clientelle already. Who else can you think of who has their own clientelle?) Now.. she may be nomadic now.. but if we can expand her business to include more holidays...Christmas/Millenium theme parties are strong for her this year. I'm gonna talk to her on Wednesday, along with Kelly of the Rusty Circle, and George Buri of 7 Ages Productions. I was thinking about a 'catered.. costumed.. murder mystery party business. I'll keep you posted on that. laugh. Talk to ya. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 09 15:45:06 1999 To: Linda D. From: Heather Subject: Company name idea Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Keep in Touch Care Keep 'n Touch Care KeepNTouch Care Company name. Care to go The travel agency for seniors with special needs. Attracting birds to your garden, plants, vegetables, recipes from the garden. Thoughts to self. Heather From ???@??? Fri Jul 02 02:10:15 1999 To: Linda D. From: Heather Subject: New healthcare industry prospects.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I keep finding damn other things here. Laugh. I was routing through some magazines on Dave's desk. I saw an article on healthcare industries starting to get 'plugged in.' I'll cut to the quick. Check out this Web site. Tell me what you think about the software. I know the site is under construction. http://www.asclepius.com.au/ What I'm looking at here is two-fold. Dave finding a use for his We Care healthcare knowledge for another aspect of healthcare software development. And YOU finding similarities or connections to what this software might be doing for paper processing and perhaps ANOTHER industry.. healthcare related.. that you and I could look into.. you think of something.. Say counselling.. or something.. look at this software and tell me what you think. Diagnostic of some kind. Counselling.. something related perhaps. Or even something ELSE. If I had more knowledge of the healthcare industry, I'd be able to pinpoint something. The article I was reading talked about a doctor's clinic in Chomeday, Quebec (interesting, that's where Claude of We Care is stationed) that uses DocuCom Imaging Solutions' software and an electronic imaging system from Minolta to reduce document handling costs. It probably does some kind of scanning of text among other things. But it's interesting if there's an industry we could get into and create a software for.. healthcare related. We STARTED to do some document creation for Client Care Management. I know that is PARTLY what some of this is about. But there are also a lot of companies that are selling solutions in other things to do with document management and knowlege based systems that could help healthcare types make more effective and less costly treatment decisions. Any input would be appreciated, Linda. Heather From ???@??? Fri Jul 02 02:23:33 1999 To: Linda D. From: Heather Subject: Connections Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Burnt Sand Solutions. Do a search on them. Funny, for a completely unrelated reason, I came across this company name somewhere ELSE the other day. Presently, the connection here is from the healthcare article I was reading. Vancouver based Burnt Sand Solutions won an RFP (what's that?) to implement an electronic messaging solution for the Calgary Regional Health Authority CRHA. I keep thinking we can't beat these large healthcare institutes. We are gonna have to join em. But in such a way that we are OFFERING them.. some kind of service... and look at this article related to a search on Burnt Sand. I wonder if we could hit our own econonimic development boards to create something like this. http://www.newswire.ca/releases/January1999/12/c3700.html I'm stretching my thinking a bit. I'm not quite sure where it's leading. I'll let you know. Take a look at the concepts of this, though. When you have a chance. I also noticed the word 'non-profit' in association with this Alberta First.com site that is mentioned in this article. hallie on fire about something.. just not sure what, yet. From ???@??? Wed Jun 09 23:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 591 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1999 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (207.194.28.69) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (crbk01m01-35.bctel.ca [209.52.208.35]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25189 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375EF12C.E521256E@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:56:44 -0600 From: LINDA DAMANT Reply-To: LINDA_DAMANT@bc.sympatico.ca Organization: WECARE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: shoot I'll just retype it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heather just starting to try and get you more information, sorry to be such a pain re: Website Headings CARE NETWORK (write up under each category - I'll work on this) -personal care -housecleaning -homemaking -transportation -nursing -Palliative Care -shopping -companions -24 hr care CARE ENTERPRISES -Rental Equipment -influenza Vaccinations -Hepititis B&C vaccinations ICBC & WCB CLAIMS Fight the frustration, receive timely help and care at home just ask you adjuster or Doctor for a referral to Care Network YARD MAINTENANCE Lawns mowed Gardens Cared For snow shoveling mail pick up/house checks and/or sitting "DREAMS" (My own personal think it is a good idea, the wild thing) -Travel to sunny climates with care and itineray provided -also travel with a person with a disability??need help?? take one of our trained professionals -Need help to send an ill, diabled or otherwise unsafe to travel alone person on a trip, nurse will travel with them Just starting to get this together for you, is this the type of stuff you want????? lindad From ???@??? Wed Jul 14 11:53:56 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 14949 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (HELO mail1-1.bctel.ca) (207.194.28.67) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:26:01 -0000 Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (crbk01m01-56.bctel.ca [209.52.208.56]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22921 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <378CACF6.D59CD4E7@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:29:58 -0600 From: LINDA DAMANT Reply-To: LINDA_DAMANT@bc.sympatico.ca Organization: WECARE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: volunteer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Just a few thoughts, fundraising for AIDS, Alzheimer's, Cancer, diabetes, MS, MD etc are always looking desperately for volunteers, we also have a Crisis Line here that gives a lot of information to people looking for volunteer work. You might add under health and medicine specific diseases that require volunteer help ie: hospice (pallative care)- my god everyone and his dog is looking for volunteer help in this town, or corporate sponsorship under children and Youth, we really need volunteers for mentorship, maybe even check out Foster Care, which technically they get paid for but not well in most cases. All these things have to follow certain guidelines and they can vary from province to province. Same for disabled. How about adding Homeless Children to the list , under Education - tutoring, self esteem Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and Fetal Alchol Effective, you could go on forever, One of the biggest problems and it should be addressed in the initial contact is a criminal record check. People that volunteer may be doing it for reasons that aren't condusive to volunteer work. especially with seniors and children. got to run Lindad From ???@??? Sat Oct 30 21:35:02 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2410 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 02:21:15 -0000 Received: from smtpout.telus.net (207.194.28.79) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 02:21:15 -0000 Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (crbk01m01-50.bctel.ca [209.52.208.50]) by smtpout.telus.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18611; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <381BA856.2F2FFC4A@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:24:23 -0600 From: LINDA DAMANT Reply-To: LINDA_DAMANT@bc.sympatico.ca Organization: WECARE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: al dresser , "ard091@mail.usask.ca" , ashlea , "Bertha_Fernandes@wecare.ca" , "Blair_Richardson@wecare.ca" , "BONNERK@grenvillecc.ca" , cathy&dick , creatist , "dianneschultz@sprint.ca" , Gerry & Vi Barker , Heather , "intolerant@armchair.mb.ca" , Lauren Damant , Liane & Larry & Helga , marla , Mayumi and Yuichi Yashiro , Mike and Mitch Joss , sharon barber , Stan Birch , "Susan_Dineno@wecare.ca" , Sylvia & Grant Lancaster , Tamara , Terry , travis damant , "www.dave@armchair.com" , Zoe Subject: change address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone My new e-mail address is linda_damant@telus.net hope this works, it sure is shorter Linda From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 14:31:58 1999 To: Linda Gradwell From: Heather Subject: Musings.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Hi Linda As always.. get to this when you have time. No pressure here. But I would like your thoughts on this stuff, okay? Thanks. Been chatting to a few people about mall issues. I wonder if you'd be interested in chatting a bit about this. Whatever you have time for. Oh and you have internet at home. Do you have email? Can I contact you there? Give me as much history and background on the mall as you can think of that relates to current 'perceptions' of Brandon Gallery Mall. How long have you worked as manager? What changes have you seen? What patterns do you see in traffic flow, etc. A lot of seniors? Potential for kids/teens? What's your take on what the RHA will bring in terms of new kinds of traffic, business opportunities, alternatives that are catching on in the public mindset: - Preventative health care clinics, - Day care, - ELDER care, - Seniors drop-ins, - HOME care, (remember THAT ONE) - Support groups, - Holistic medicine. I've noticed an incredible upswing on all these herbal medicines and such. What's your take on that area? Fill me in on some of your policies for renting/leasing space. I think you may have also mentioned how at one point.. when things were good.. the rents where higher. How do you deal with that issue NOW? The more I understand what you are currently having to deal with, the better I may be able to offer sensible ideas or solutions. Tell me how they treat you.. your higher-ups. Do they LISTEN to what you suggest? Should the both of us be working on a contingency plan for taking all this someplace ELSE? Laugh. (Like if, in the longterm.. they aren't gonna listen to you or turn yours and my ideas around in such a way that nobody 'wins' but them? Not the tenants, not the customers..not us. Fill me in. I always like to know what I'm dealing with before I jump in the deep end. Which, I think, we are both gonna.. once I start thinking up crazy..ideas. Crazy.. but they might just WORK. Smile. If I was considering being a tenant, what deals or standard offers would you give me? Do you have policies on what kind of businesses you allow in a mall? Can a store be open later than everyone else? Tell me about these craft licenses and all those other silly sorts of things that the City of Brandon does to stunt tiny little ideas from growing. In fact (remember I'm from the big city of Toronto) how come you don't have regular Saturday or SUNDAY flea markets in the mall? When I lived in Toronto.. the flea markets used to haunt the malls on the weekends. These would be small to smaller businesses. Eventually, it evolved to.. the flea market had a mall all week long. What's your take on that? I realize there is a farmers market in the summer. Couldn't we do something else as well? How about flooding a section of the parking lot on Sundays when the snow comes and having a 'Snow Day'? laugh. I'm laughing that this idea. But I'm also..... not. Hmm......... Do you consider selling or leasing a large portion or combinations of stores to other companies. In fact.. did you SELL the space to the RHA (just so I know) or do they lease it..Meaning.. one day, they could up and leave. My boss keeps telling me to plan ideas for 500 years into the future. And see which ideas really ARE the best ones. In the longterm. Linda.. I'm thinking aloud. I'm not after your secrets. Share with me what you are comfortable with. I'm trying to wrap my head around what you already DO .. when it comes to getting tenants... versus what we MIGHT do. Here are some thoughts.. questions: Is the rental/leasing period fixed? I don't want it turning into what Kenny Choy ran into.. new businesses 'pitstopping' at the mall til they could find a better store location. I think he got killed on that in one sense. I realize there were a NUMBER of things going on. But I'm sure this didn't help. Imagine having a tenant who takes advantage of the 150 to 200 a month rent of a small store while they are waiting for the deal to come up on a better location. Would you consider offering space to a festival or convention? How about theatre or music or plays? Let's compete with the Keystone Centre. Laugh. There's that laugh again. So you worry about the internet stealing your revenue stream? Do you worry that a medium sized rental tenant will become a _smaller_ sized rental tenant cos he doesn't need so much space anymore, he's making a chunk of his money on the Internet? True.. but he may STILL need warehousing space. We always think of warehouses as these HUGE buildings that contain all the stock for the Canadian Tire franchises.. (I know about Canadian Tire. My brother has working in IT at Canadian Tire for YEARS. Smile.) What about mini-warehouses? What about ONE store section with TWENTY people's warehousing stock? Hmmm.. one stops worrying so much about the Internet, doesn't one? And what's COOL, is we could do this for INSIDE Brandon city tenants.. or OUTSIDE - as in anywhere - think of that catchment area and beyond..... Take a look at Ebay. Look at what's happening in that industry.. Did you hear that? "INDUSTRY" They've created a new one. Let's create a few too. Talk to ya. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 15:27:29 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2233 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 21:23:40 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 21:23:40 -0000 Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (brndas03-p76.mts.net [205.200.42.138]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28004 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:23:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3852BB93.C18D15A5@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:01:08 -0600 From: Linda Gradwell Reply-To: lgradwel@mb.sympatico.ca Organization: O & Y Enterprise X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Re: Musings.. References: <3.0.5.32.19991211143158.0093add0@mail.creatist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Heather!---Yes I have email at home. Although, I'm not at home very often (only to sleep usually). Anyway, I would love to tell you about the history of the mall through my eyes: The mall was built 18 years ago (1981) and at that time it was a joint venture between the City of Brandon and the developer. Oh yes, the City brothers wanted this mall really badly....I don't know about the people of Brandon. I started working at Brandon Gallery 15 years ago as Administrative Assistant. I took over as manager one year ago when the mall changed ownership from Cambridge Shopping Centres to ENA Realty Group. I have had the luxury of sitting back and watching four previous managers do their thing and learn from them. When I started working at the mall in 1984 it was when things were booming all across the country. Retail was in it's glory as were the Landlords of shopping centres. Retailers WANTED to get into shopping centres and the Landlords charged BIG BUCKS for them to be there. They were both making money. Then the retail industry took a downturn in the late eighties, early nineties. In Brandon we had two malls -- ours the the Brandon Shoppers Mall (around 27 yrs old or so). We were in competition. At one point, about eight or so years ago, I think we were one up on them. Brandon Gallery was THE place where things were happening and THE place to be. The Shoppers Mall traded hands a couple of times. We were owned by Cambridge Shopping Centres all along. When retail started taking a nosedive, both of our shopping centres had a lot of the same "national" stores. That's when it seemed that the negative factors of our shopping centre became more of a factor (paid parking, downtown, parkade with steel beams and a second level to manouever around, poor visibility from the street, etc.) At the same time the Shoppers Mall was purchased by a new and aggressive owner who did renovations and made it a mission to fill space at their centre. The owners of our mall did NOTHING (even though the local managers were blowing their brains out with promotions and advertising). The owners would not implement free parking, would not lower rents or give incentives to prospective store owners to come into our mall, would not spend money on signage to make it more visible. The result was a steady exodus of stores from the centre. The Brandon market is too small to support two retail stores of the same company. After a lot of the national stores left our centre, THEN the owners were finally convinced to erect signage (5 yrs ago), offer free parking (4 yrs ago), lower rents (4 yrs ago). By then the perception of our mall for prospective retailers was that it was too expensive to locate into, downtown mall, poor visibility, etc. Nor did they do very much to entice the existing tenants to stay by lowering rents, spending money on improving the mall. Anyway, Eaton's became bankrupt in October and closed. Shoppers Drug Mart built a stand-alone store on 18th Street in Feb. 1999 and closed the store in the mall on Nov 1. We now have one major store Best Value (owned by Zellers) and 20 retailers - mostly locally owned. Mostly on month to month leases paying minimal rent. Our marketing budget used to be around $250,000 annually and is now around $25,000 for the year. I have been bluffing (I feel) and telling everyone that we are just in transition right now and we are on our way to bigger and better things. We would have been on our way to bigger and better things had Eaton's and ShoppersDrug Mart remained open, along with the influx of all of the RHA people (around 120). When I advertise I try to highlight our unique stores----art, gifts, gourmet coffee, etc. which we do have and also the fact that we are located downtown within walking distance to over 500 stores and services. I really would like to have an unbiased honest opinion as to what people think about Brandon Gallery. I have heard a lot of negative comments about our centre. We really do need to get MORE retailers. Some of the prospective retailers I have talked to don't want to come into the centre as there is very little traffic. We can't get more traffic unless we have more stores. I used to do a lot of promotions and events at the centre. We used to have semi-annual craft sales----we only got a couple of participants at the last one. I tried a Crafters Corner during the Christmas season. A room where crafters could set up for a day or two days for a very small fee ($25) to sell during the Christmas season. It bombed! We do have the Farmers Market on our parking lot every Saturday from 9am to noon from June to the end of Sept. We have them on the mall during Nov. & Dec. We have invited all non-profit and charitable groups to come into the centre any time to sell raffle tickets/informational display or use any of the vacant space for any event. I am willing to try anything, anytime as long as we can afford it and as long as its legal. We are currently for sale again....and have an offer pending (very close to closing). Hopefully the new owners will WANT to do something with the centre and have plans for it. I can beat my brains out trying to do things for the centre, but the centre needs an owner who will do something with it and give prospective tenants incentives to come into the centre. We need someone to concentrate on leasing out the spots and put a leasing plan in place. Currently we do not have a leasing plan. We have a fellow in Wpg who is supposed to be leasing out space. He has never visited the centre except for on weekends when he is out to visit his parents. I do not feel he is actively seeking stores nor does he have a plan. Anyway, I have to go get ready to go out now.....as I think of stuff I will forward it to you. Thank you for your interest. I love to hear other people's opinions....it expands my horizons and thinking!----Linda Heather wrote: > Hi Linda > > As always.. get to this when you have time. No pressure here. But I would > like your thoughts on this stuff, okay? Thanks. > > Been chatting to a few people about mall issues. I wonder if you'd be > interested in chatting a bit about this. Whatever you have time for. Oh and > you have internet at home. Do you have email? Can I contact you there? > > Give me as much history and background on the mall as you can think of that > relates to current 'perceptions' of Brandon Gallery Mall. How long have you > worked as manager? What changes have you seen? What patterns do you see in > traffic flow, etc. A lot of seniors? Potential for kids/teens? > > What's your take on what the RHA will bring in terms of new kinds of > traffic, business opportunities, alternatives that are catching on in the > public mindset: > > - Preventative health care clinics, > - Day care, > - ELDER care, > - Seniors drop-ins, > - HOME care, (remember THAT ONE) > - Support groups, > - Holistic medicine. > > I've noticed an incredible upswing on all these herbal medicines and such. > What's your take on that area? > > Fill me in on some of your policies for renting/leasing space. I think you > may have also mentioned how at one point.. when things were good.. the > rents where higher. How do you deal with that issue NOW? > > The more I understand what you are currently having to deal with, the > better I may be able to offer sensible ideas or solutions. Tell me how they > treat you.. your higher-ups. Do they LISTEN to what you suggest? Should the > both of us be working on a contingency plan for taking all this someplace > ELSE? Laugh. (Like if, in the longterm.. they aren't gonna listen to you or > turn yours and my ideas around in such a way that nobody 'wins' but them? > Not the tenants, not the customers..not us. > > Fill me in. I always like to know what I'm dealing with before I jump in > the deep end. Which, I think, we are both gonna.. once I start thinking up > crazy..ideas. > > Crazy.. but they might just WORK. Smile. > > If I was considering being a tenant, what deals or standard offers would > you give me? Do you have policies on what kind of businesses you allow in a > mall? Can a store be open later than everyone else? Tell me about these > craft licenses and all those other silly sorts of things that the City of > Brandon does to stunt tiny little ideas from growing. > > In fact (remember I'm from the big city of Toronto) how come you don't have > regular Saturday or SUNDAY flea markets in the mall? When I lived in > Toronto.. the flea markets used to haunt the malls on the weekends. These > would be small to smaller businesses. > > Eventually, it evolved to.. the flea market had a mall all week long. > What's your take on that? I realize there is a farmers market in the > summer. Couldn't we do something else as well? > > How about flooding a section of the parking lot on Sundays when the snow > comes and having a 'Snow Day'? laugh. > > I'm laughing that this idea. But I'm also..... not. Hmm......... > > Do you consider selling or leasing a large portion or combinations of > stores to other companies. In fact.. did you SELL the space to the RHA > (just so I know) or do they lease it..Meaning.. one day, they could up and > leave. > > My boss keeps telling me to plan ideas for 500 years into the future. And > see which ideas really ARE the best ones. In the longterm. > > Linda.. I'm thinking aloud. I'm not after your secrets. Share with me what > you are comfortable with. I'm trying to wrap my head around what you > already DO .. when it comes to getting tenants... > > versus what we MIGHT do. > > Here are some thoughts.. questions: > > Is the rental/leasing period fixed? I don't want it turning into what Kenny > Choy ran into.. new businesses 'pitstopping' at the mall til they could > find a better store location. I think he got killed on that in one sense. I > realize there were a NUMBER of things going on. But I'm sure this didn't > help. Imagine having a tenant who takes advantage of the 150 to 200 a month > rent of a small store while they are waiting for the deal to come up on a > better location. > > Would you consider offering space to a festival or convention? How about > theatre or music or plays? Let's compete with the Keystone Centre. Laugh. > > There's that laugh again. > > So you worry about the internet stealing your revenue stream? Do you worry > that a medium sized rental tenant will become a _smaller_ sized rental > tenant cos he doesn't need so much space anymore, he's making a chunk of > his money on the Internet? > > True.. but he may STILL need warehousing space. > > We always think of warehouses as these HUGE buildings that contain all the > stock for the Canadian Tire franchises.. (I know about Canadian Tire. My > brother has working in IT at Canadian Tire for YEARS. Smile.) > > What about mini-warehouses? What about ONE store section with TWENTY > people's warehousing stock? > > Hmmm.. one stops worrying so much about the Internet, doesn't one? > > And what's COOL, is we could do this for INSIDE Brandon city tenants.. > > or OUTSIDE - as in anywhere - think of that catchment area and beyond..... > > Take a look at Ebay. Look at what's happening in that industry.. > > Did you hear that? "INDUSTRY" > > They've created a new one. > > Let's create a few too. > > Talk to ya. > > Heather > creatist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 12 22:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 19747 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1999 03:52:51 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 13 Dec 1999 03:52:51 -0000 Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (brndas01-p72.mts.net [205.200.47.134]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29508 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:52:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38546844.6F2CDCF8@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:30:13 -0600 From: Linda Gradwell Reply-To: lgradwel@mb.sympatico.ca Organization: O & Y Enterprise X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: WOW!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Heather----Wow!!! Can you type as fast as you think....no way (dumb question!) First of all, before I go any further, I want you to know that I am a very upfront person. I don't like playing games and I am not usually politically correct. I just say what I think (which isn't always a good thing). I am grateful that you are interested in our poor little centre. It is wonderful hearing you talk about how you see things and how you think about things. I will attempt to answer some of your musings, questions? I don't have any out of town connections that come to mind---except for a guy that manages Cloverdale Mall in Mississauga. He used to manage a mall in downtown Kitchener Waterloo that was similar to Brandon Gallery. I't nice to talk to him as he understands completely what I'm going through. And no that mall did not turn around...it's still in the same shape that it was when he managed it. The mall is right across the street from a mall that Cambridge owned as well Marketplace Square. Same story for them as well! Was that what you meant by out of town connections? I also talk to the manager at Weyburn Square in Saskatchewan. I feel really isolated here...perhaps I should start getting in touch with other mall managers for ideas as well. In the downtown community the quickest one to come to my aid is Carol Maggiacomo at the BIA. It doesn't look good for downtown to have vacancies and a mall in trouble. Carol has been great at trying to get everyone (in the city, mall owners, whoever she can think of) to help with "the problem mall". I think the other business owners in downtown are sick and tired of hearing of hearing about "Brandon Gallery's problems". I know I am! and I get that sense from listening to a few of the BIA board of directors (I am an ex-officio board of director). It's great because I get to hear the inside scoop on what's happening and it gives me ideas as well. Other than Carol, Earl Backman the CEO of the RHA has aided us by getting the city to loana them the $1.5 million to build the RHA offices in the centre, the mayor is also on side as the more businesses in the mall or downtown or anywhere in the city, the more tax dollars he gets to spend. In reading your musings I realize that I have a long way to go in communicating with other people. I have kept myself pretty isolated over the years doing my own thing. I am not great at verbal communication....I am a doer, action oriented. I love to coordinate things in the background...I don't particularly like the limelight. I don't believe I have ever talked to Bryan at IMG. I have talked with Dwayne McConnell---not recently as I have limited advertising dollars. As for Terri Deller, I called her Friday afternoon re: the Women's Centre coming into the mall free of charge. She was pleased and would talk to her board members. It would have to be decided at the next board meeting Jan. 13(?). I told her I'd be happy to attend the meeting if she would like or to meet with them any time to discuss. You and I should talk first so I can get some ideas from you on how the mall and women's centre could benefit each other. Where do you get your ideas....I wish I was as creative as you and some other people. I don't seem to have as good an imagination as creative people...I am an organizer and manager....I love implementing ideas once they are given to me. I do keep myself busy, not so much with work, but with living life. These days I normally work 8:30 am to 5 pm in the office. (I used to work evenings and weekends....not anymore!) I do some work in the evenings at home or on the weekends. I clog dance once a week (which I do for fun!), visit with girl friends at least once or twice a week in the evenings. I am a volunteer with the Westman Women's Shelter. I also try to walk daily (for stress and physical fitness). On weekends I do the housework thing and some business work and try to do something fun and relaxing as well to regroup and regenerate. I am an army brat.....born in Wolfeville, Nova Scotia (0-4yrs), lived in Ottawa (4-7 yrs), lived in Kingston, ON (7-13 yrs) moved to Shilo, MB (13 yrs-46 yrs). I finished high school and took business administration at Assiniboine Community College. I just wanted a job....money...did not have a plan for my life. I worked in Wpg at office jobs for a couple of years and then moved back to Brandon/Shilo and worked at a bank for 8 years....stayed home for six years taking care of our two children (now 22 and 20). Went to work at Brandon Gallery in the office to make money. However, whenever I do something I usually throw myself into it and I did. I worked evenings and weekends lots of times doing promotions or whatever it took to make things happen....I loved it. I worked for a woman manager for 6 years (best boss I ever had....she was my idol in many ways!) then they sent in young guys (first one was an asshole and still is....the next male manager was a wonderful man...a great sense of humor ....but very lazy....the next guy was energetic...but no imagination. He should have been an accountant! I think I am a combination of my first lady boss, the last male manager who had lots of energy and of course myself. I do not understand the "old boys network" involved in communities. I came up against it in the small town of Douglas (near Shilo) when I did volunteer work in the community. I was and am still considered an "outsider". I loved to shake rattle and roll their ideas and past practices. Some of them loved it!! Some of them hated it!! I think it is the same in Brandon, although I don't really know. I work in Brandon, live in Sprucewoods, just outside Shilo and do my rec activities in Brandon. I am mostly a loner....even though I belong to a dance group and know a lot of people in Brandon....I do my own thing within my small group of friends. I have not involved myself with very many of the downtown people...not that I'm a snob....just busy working and doing my thing, usually helping women and kids who have just left an abusive relationship and moved to Brandon get on their feet and get settled. Enough about me....thought I'd let you know a bit about me. My Admin. assistant is Gwen Ganske. She is 20---very bright and enthusiastic! It's wonderful having her to work with...she started in mid-May straight out of Business Administration at ACC. I have an operations manager (building superintendent) who schedules and manages the 8 maintenance staff and takes of keeping the building clean and repaired. We have a contract with a security company to do the security of the centre. They have an office next to ours. The centre is owned by ENA Realty Group who bought it as a package of six other centres and want to dump it as it isn't making money. I work for the management company they contracted to manage the mall ---O &Y Enterprise. I am on my own here. I have to follow any policies they set as a company, but I have not had any leadership from them. When something happends or I want to do something I call my property manager in Winnipeg and she says "what do you think?" I tell her and she says go ahead and do it. I am responsible for whatever decisions I make.....I am on my own. I do not have anyone in the office in Winnipeg that has had any experience at managing a shopping centre. So I am basically doing what Cambridge taught me to do and following their management practices ( a little outdated) and doing what my gut tells me to do. I am learning from my mistakes as I go. The Winnipeg office tells me that I am doing a wonderful job and to keep up the good work. They're just happy they don't have to deal with anything here. It feels like I know more about running a shopping centre than they do (that doesn't say much!). It's scary! I like bouncing ideas off someone with experience in retail and shopping centres or someone who will tell me what they think....they seem to be wishy, washy. They want to be politically correct. I don't think I am being blamed for any of this. Anyone who has been around here or knows me....knows that I have tried my best to do whatever I can for this mall....I am just one person. This is a much bigger problem than one person can solve....I am a spoke on a wheel with many spokes. When I read your "more musings..." it helped me to clarify some things. You are right, we have always had the "negative factors" even during the successful days. And most of the negative factors cannot be changed...they are physical factors....unless you demolished and started over cannot be change....not likely. Artistic Creations, The Bakery (Dutch Mill Bakery) closed because they weren't making money (they said) and also the owners had other businesses they wanted to concentrate on running. Tip Top left due to lack of business....not enough profits. Chiropractor moved to near the 8th & Rosser entrance at our request due to the RHA build. Dr. Decter left as he bought his own building----9th & Rosser ---McGillivary(?) Bookstore, Sherri Decter-Hirst has her business upstairs, Dr. Decter's office, small pharmacy (smart guy). Other companies Suzy Shier, D'Allaird's, etc. shuffling....keeping the stores making the most profit so therefore left our centre. Denture Clinic is still open. Cleo is making doing great (at least until Eatons & Shoppers Drug Martt left). Holding their own now. Regarding the smoke in the food court....I said before the RHA built that "when the RHA come into the centre I'm making the centre NON-SMOKING". I have since had to eat my words, we need every customer dollar, whether smoking or non-smoking. If I made it non-smoking that would eliminate a great % of our customers. It would help to get rid to the ones that hang around though and that would be good. We can't afford to do that right now. If I made the centre non-smoking....(a lot of RHA workers smoke) I would be out of a job....the store owners would tar and feather me and ride me out of town. I like my pay cheque. Speaking of which, you asked me if I'm afraid of losing my job. I have not admitted this to anyone, even probably to myself. But, yes I am afraid of losing my job if the mall sells to a new owner and they decide to put in their own manager. I have just starting making a good money "for a woman", I like being in control. But you know what, I want to be part of turning this little centre around. I don't want to be let go and then things turn around due to new ownership and have people think that it was my fault that things were so bad. People are like that....they have to blame someone. About our food court...I agree....too much greasy food. The only place I eat is the Food Bar because they have food like I have at home. Their salads could be a lot better! I would like to see a health food place that has healthy foods for people who are conscious about what they eat....which is a lot of people these days I think. Yes, also pasta and pizza! We had three guys battling over The Bakery spot...until Shoppers Drug Mart closed. Now they're thinking about it! We have one fellow interested in the former "Kornerstone" restaurant....all he needs is money..he says he is trying to sell share certificates....have you heard about this...I have not heard from any other people other than him that he is trying to sell shares....he has 25 yrs restaurant experience. Maybe that's what it will take...a co-op of people willing to try out getting the restaurant up and running again...it has everything in it....it's like stepping back into the twilight zone...all the tables and chairs and dishes....all covered with cobwebs and dust..... Well...I am getting brain dead right now...so I will sign off. I will talk to you again....soon. Oh yes, before I go...The Queens Quay is really interesting....I loved it! It's like a tourist attraction all by itself. They have paid parking. Paid parking is not an issue in big cities....people are just happy to be able to find a parking spot within a reasonable walking distance. The problem is not paid parking....the problem is the way people think. But that is a problem.....and it makes a difference whether a business is successful or not....so we need to care about what people think (I guess) damn it anyway!------Bye for now--------Linda From ???@??? Mon Dec 13 02:51:48 1999 To: Linda Gradwell From: Heather Subject: These are from conversations with Nancy McLennan Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: These are possibly longer term type ideas but still...take a look at them. My ideas on the other email are shorter term. The insane ideas. Smile. But call Nancy... make a date to talk to her. She was after Kenny Choy and his mall for a long time with these kinds of ideas. She has lived in Brandon for a long while. You should talk to her. In fact, the three of us should get together and chat. Just a caution though. She's overwhelmed right now. But I think her even SENSING that you wanna talk about these ideas will give her a great boost. I think things will slow down for her in January. But she's very stressed. Very distracted..right now. She needs.. handling. Just so you know. Smile. Marketing is one of Nancy's THINGS. She gets PAID to do this. She's handled a lot of media promotion stuff too, here in town. People don't always listen. She's presently a little burned out. Like, she wants to run away to the woods to live. (she has a cabin there) I believe her. She's put a lot of work into Twoonies among other things and it's still dragging a bit. She had a slow summer and now has a busy.. too busy season now. Tell her your background with the Gallery Mall. I mentioned you. She wasn't aware of who you were. I think she may have talked to a male manager.. at some point. But BE UPFRONT. She is just like me. Except she's stressed and I'm not. Smile. Also... Ask her what she is interested in. Be a collaborator. Find out what she needs. See if you can help her. Ask her about 30 Below. Smile. ------------------------- I suggested: What about using the spaces as tiny offices? What about using them as tiny TEMPORARY offices? What about using them as tiny, temporary offices for the salespeople who travel through town? They -- like a hotel/office suite -- could come to town, book an office for a day, a week, an hour.. to conduct business, do a presentation, work on a proposal. Like rent a seat at the library only offer more amenities than that. A "temporary" travelling salesman suite. That's one idea. Another (and we could use the power of the web to organize it) is to have classes in these suites. Artist classes, artist demonstrations, cooking glasses, ANY kind of classes. A person, again, could book a seminar room (now they become seminar rooms) and come with his little group to do the class or seminar or whatever. We use the power of the web. People obtaining these places could: - come to a Web site - Check to see what suites are available. - book and PAY for a suite by ecommerce - show up at the appropriate time and grab a key from someone - do their presentation, have their meeting, work on a proposal. Like the hotels have started doing by promoting business suites. We could take digital pictures of the suite, like the digital directory idea again, and have an bit of information to go with it - the size, what amenities are available, plugs for electricity and provide information on the web site. I remember a building I worked in in Hamilton. The owner, a builder, had set the place up as a business centre complete with secretarial and equipment services. Or get the artists in rural areas coming to town, for a day, for a week, for a weekend. They could have a 'convention' or trade fair for a weekend. A mini convention centre. For the people can't afford or don't NEED the square footage of the Keystone centre. Every damn weekend we could have a Picklefestival or a convention or a flea market of some sort. And we could use the web to coordinate it matching businesses and artists with office. An office exchange. Cool. Let them rent, short-term, for mini conventions. A mini convention centre. ---------------------------------------- She suggested: (we were talking about Prairie Lanes) - invite youth. They have money too. - put necessities there: money machine, pay phone, etc other free stuff. - stage events there, no charge: non-profit rallies, etc. - winter flea market in corner - offer FREE space for a year to 3 imporant franchises: SubWay, Starbucks, Rogers Video - put a laundrymat in there. - get the public library to have a satellite bookmobile - satellite used book store --------------------------------------------- We talked recently about a business centre: ------------------------------------ Heather wrote: > > nancy... > > I've been doing a lot of thinking about malls. > > Could you offer a piece of input from your marketing perspective and > knowledge of the area. > > 1. Can Brandon support two major malls? Do we have the people? Do they have the interest? Yes. > 2. Shouldn't Gallery Mall simply continue as it's going and become a business mall? Yes Business mall, not only one OF businesses and for BUSINESS needs, but also one serving business people with regular consumer services... Like the underground mall at portage and main.WPG The only people who use those shops are workers from the area. > 3. Could Brandon support an entertainment mall? Street Access would be required for these venues: eg. restaurant off 7th street. Theatre, Live Music, Art Exhibition.. Some mix - where's the revenue. >Would enough people be interested? interested enough... Competetive Analysis. people enough... which people. Country, Christian, Kids entertainment. \ Risky concept... as we already know. > 4. Will rural traffic come to the downtown if we supply them with something that Brandon Shoppers Mall doesn't have? Something they need >Or do they really care? Do they care about the south mall??? Care is not in the equation of consumerism. >They just need a Superstore to do their monthly shopping, maybe? Frequency of visits from various distances important to know. I think there is a proportion of rural traffic downtown. Assess that proportion and set goals to increase it. > I just think.. maybe.. Brandon has only a market for one mall. and Nancy replied.. I disagree. > And the Brandon Shoppers has been more agggressive in offering services and setup that the buying public wants. I agree. Nancy McLennan ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-0023 www.bph.mb.ca Call her. Heather creatist.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 13 20:21:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27453 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1999 16:20:50 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 13 Dec 1999 16:20:50 -0000 Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (brndas02-p42.mts.net [205.200.47.200]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12885 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:20:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <385538D0.397380FE@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:20:00 -0800 From: Linda Gradwell Reply-To: lgradwel@mb.sympatico.ca Organization: O & Y Enterprise X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Re: Insanity 101 References: <3.0.5.32.19991213063932.00925ec0@mail.creatist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heather----I cannot believe all of the ideas that flow from you...you must be in a relaxed state! I think right now I am like Nancy, I have come through a long hard year and a busy season.....and have run out of gas (ideas). But I love most of your ideas. Some of them have been tried and not succeeded, but MOST of them could be done. I will definitely work on some of them...and I will call Nancy. I think I would like to wait until after mid-January when she has had a rest and also to see if the sale of the mall goes through. I need to know what the (new) owners have planned for the mall before I go off doing my thing. I will do what I can between now and then. I will call you this week to get together....when is a good time for you? I still cannot believe you can write down all of those thoughts and ideas at one sitting----------you amaze me!!!!! Gotta go for now...talk to you soon....Linda Heather wrote: > Okay.. I haven't dotted the i's and crossed the t's and it's probably > easier to show you then tell you but I'll give it a try. > > Okay... > > Are we gonna get any tenants in those empty stores before the New Year? > > No? > > So that means no revenue, right? > > ------------------ > Millenium Madness > ------------------ > > Okay.. so forget about asking for rent. (Just this month. Til Jan 1st. We > try something different by then.) They come in for December only. If they > have to sign something, they do it, like yesterday and get the empty places > filled with stuff. It doesn't have to be jammed packed. We can figure out > arrangements on any details. But we simply get them in there and ask for a > percentage of the sales that anyone we get into the mall between now and > the end of the year can give us. End of sentence. > > This is not long term. We are not bringing in assholes of any nature. We > are creating some more merchandise options for the few shoppers we will get > in here from now to the 1st of January. December is a brisk month. No > matter WHAT the economy. It is simply insane to worry about long term when > people are hungry to buy things for Christmas. We should look hard at some > of these businesses who stick their wares in the store windows downtown.. > people like that. They may be interested in using us as a temporary > 'warehouse.' > > Emphasize you are insane. This is ONLY for the month of December. They want > some visibility. You want stores filled. They are willing to play this > game. You let them. No fiddly deals. Pack the furniture in a truck, bring > the cel phone, rent a cash box, hire a part-timer or something. And be open > from 9 to 9 EVERYDAY. None of this.. "the store is closed half the time > crap".. that Kenny Choy had to put up with. They want the space.. they hire > someone.. or make some kind of deal with us to have people who are already > IN the mall, work their stores... we could do something like that do.. hire > mall watchers who watch a strip of the mall. And take down information from > interested buyers or something. > > Let's make some money. More money than none which is what we are making if > those stores are empty. > > And we make no deals, and we make no promises. We are merely 'filling the > mall.' til the millenium. > > We can TRULY cite this as a case of 'Millenium Madness...Don't ask, just > get down here and sell stuff." > > Laugh. > > We get on the phone.. run up and down the street, talk to WHOEVER and get > that mall filled up. Every functioning place that we can offer to someone > who would be willing to bring their stuff into the mall and stock the empty > stores with stuff, we ask. This is definitely one reason why I'd like to go > through the place with you, store by store and talk about dimensions, phone > services, power outlets, repairs, etc. (you also mentioned cobwebs.. laugh) > > ---------------------------- > Making use of what we've got > ---------------------------- > > Okay.. this is one of the do-it-soon ideas... we can discuss this. Just > hear me out on this one. > > I've seen the coat check area. The Seniors for Seniors are there with their > raffle tickets, right? Fill me in if I'm incorrect on anything here. > > Someone.. Seniors for Seniors is doing gift wrapping. > > Okay.. I'm being dramatic...hear me out. > > Oh isn't this nice.. the Seniors are being used for hanging coats and > wrapping packages. > > There's something dead and dying about that. I can't explain. They stand > apart.. from the real mall. We only need the old people for coat check. > > There may be other activities in that area. Fill me in. > > But what I saw in the mall the other day.. bugged me. > > Seniors .. four or five of them.. looking like lost, forgotten coats in a > huge room.. that room is so big.. with bits of wrapping paper. > > That's as close to the action as we allow those old farts. They should be > off DYING somewhere where we don't have to look at them, is what... > > Laugh.. > > Yuck...I don't like it. > > Okay... try this. > > I don't know which room yet.. but do this. > > Take Santa out of the middle of the mall. He's blocking the view to Cleo's. > The mall is too narrow to be blocked in any way ..especially if it gets busy. > > Put the Santa Village any place he will fit.. if something in that display > is too high.. welll... remove it. > > Put Santa Village in... Shoppers's Drug Mart.. bright White.. near food.. > break time for mom.. feed the kids.. wander all over Santa.. > > Cleo's is sighing with relieve.. Damn little kids.. crawling all over the > clothes while they wait to see Santa.. > > laugh.. > > Or.. put Santa in the corner store right across from where he is now. > Whichever place we end up with.. do this.. > > (Talk to Seniors for Seniors on MORE ideas for this as well. They should be > made to feel 'included.' As it should be. There are some clever people in > that bunch) > > Seniors in with the kids.. (maybe a bit of a day care or kid pit stop.. if > not abused that is....)maybe even a reading or storyteller session of Santa > stories.. Seniors leading kids in carols.. or other Seniors who come to > hang around. Or maybe at tables with simple crafts.. maybe decorate the > tree...Get a tree... behind you.. at Lindberghs.. decorate it with stuff > from the mall. Get the damn merchants to donate it for Chrissake.. laugh. > You can put up a board of recognition and stick all the store owners names > on it.. employees too. > > Get those Seniors out of that damn desert of a hugh store.. if they all > fit.. put em in the corner store with Santa as well. Close.. family.. > together.. a little more comforting.. a little more cheery. A little more > welcoming. > > Still do gift wrapping. Get Jack Boretsky in to do origami.. ADD the > origami to the packaging. THAT would be cool. > > Jack is a bit of a personality problem. I'm not sure why. I've met him a > couple times. To be honest, he's on meds. But that shouldn't stop him from > doing origami. He's this bear of a man... who disappears in his love of > origami. It's sweet. It's sad. We can pop for paper for him. And buy the > guy lunch or dinner or whatever. He entertains the kids at Picklefest with > this. He IS a caution. I grant you. But he may be okay. And he's taking > care of someone else's mother.. on top of all this. I know him not well > enough but I trust him more than most people. I can see his passion. It's > helping older people and playing and storytelling with kids and making > origami. > > Let me know how you feel about this one. It's a caution area but it may > prove positive outcome as well. > > Okay.. now Derek and Santa... > > ---------- > Santa Tour > ---------- > > Women's Centre in the Mall.. asap................. > > Okay.. now you said the Women's Centre is gonna wait and do the board room > thing..in January... > > I'm being dramatic. > > Bullshit. Tell them to call everyone. They've been looking for a place for > ages. Get them in the mall. NOW..Even if it's just people at a table with > silly flyers.. yeeeeshh... > > Shit. That Terri wouldn't know a marketing opportunity if it jumped up and > bit her on the ass. laugh. > > PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE CRAWLING ALL OVER THAT MALL FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. > NOW IS THE TIME TO ADVERTISE/PROMOTE/SHAKE THE DAMN MONEY TREE FOR THE > WOMEN'S CENTRE BUNCH.. > > Call her. Be polite. But firm. Call Nancy if you have to. Nancy is part of > that group. Nancy understands marketing opportunities..Mary Annis is > another person with them. So is Sheri Dector. Talk to SOMEONE. Do it > NOOOW.. laugh.. > > Sigh.... > > Call the New Life Health care bunch. They are right across the hall from > Terri. Talk to them about maybe handling day care or even ELDER care a bit > in case we wanna offer that.. which between now and Christmas.. I think.. > is a real good idea.. don't you? Get them or the Womens' Centre to do this. > I'm more apt to think paid help from the New Life.. I've seen how stressed > and tired that Women's Centre bunch is. (I'm guessing as to whether they do > kid day care. I know We Care does. And they MIGHT just be hungry enough to > discuss a space.. near Terri.. even.. for their home care agency. Again, > they are a service industry. They would bring their OWN clients. Be helpful > on rent for them too as they could bring traffic as it leaves the RHA or > something.. (I'm still not clear what services the RHA provides in there > but I imagine there's seniors) > > I bypass We Care as Audrey Trevors has lots of business. I don't think she > needs a boost. Who knows? You COULD just ask. It never hurts to ask. And > they would bring their own client base too. Ask her what she's paying > currently in rent at the Scotia Towers. > > Still, I like the potentially hungry ones. Which New Life may be. I don't > know what they are about. I don't know how good they are. They may be in as > bad a franchise base as We Care is. Oh the people are okay.. head office > are a bit stupid. > > okay.. running out of steam here. I can't believe I just did this. (note.. > I wrote all the sections below earlier.) I may stop when I finish the Derek > bit. Talk to Derek. He's clever. He'll think up stuff. > > ----- > Santa > ----- > > Derek.. ask him and Santa if they can start at noon. Everyone is on lunch > from noon to one. They MAY be coming into the mall. Show them Santa. Even > if you have Derek and Santa wandering the mall saying hi to people, shaking > hands. See if you could have Derek and Santa tour around outside in the > downtown. See what they say.. pay them more.. Smile....Take pictures of > Santa visiting people. Either with our digicam.. I'd need to run this by > Dave.. he may not like it..or rent one.. go see Rob Lovatt at Don's Photo.. > maybe they will rent you a digicam in trade somehow. Get Rob Lovatt in here > taking photos of people in the mall. He likes taking pictures of people. > > We can start a web site for pictures. See if Rob will use the digicam. > There's the possible tie-in so you don't pay. Or do some reciprocating with > Don's Photo.. Hmmm.. do you need a photography studio in the mall? Talk to > Derek about such Ideas. Derek could be an excellent studio photographer.. > So could Rob.. > > Trust me.. it would be a dream come true.. if we figure it out right.. for > the both of them. > > See if you could have Santa and Derek eat lunch and dinner at stores around > town. The Santa Tour. Take Derek in there with Santa and take digiphotos of > Santa and the waitresses. Explain how we are pushing for the mall..Ask > Derek to show you the Twoonies Tours.. > > We can take a few photos of the restaurants or places Santa visits. Get him > out into the community. If Santa can't start a little bit of Christmas > merchants outside and inside the mall banding together a bit.. nobody can. > > Put photos on Web site. > > Have Derek and Santa let kids know where they will be eating. We could > announce it on the Web site.... say.. come eat with Santa.. He's having > lunch at Over the Moon today...Take pictures. > > Over the Moon may possibly get some business from it.. see what I mean > about figuring out what people need and giving it to them.. then it helps YOU? > > See if you can get Santa and Derek for dinner and lunch. See if Pascal can > be cared for in the kid care area. > > ------------------------ > More Christmas Cheer > ------------------------ > > Get people to bring in a Christmas Cheer parcel. Get them to have their > digipic taken with it.. We can put it on a donors Web page. Have a flat > card .. cover stock, cream.. say.. that they can sign a greeting on it and > add it to the present. Find a way to note what is IN the parcels in case > that is a problem. Have Derek tag the bottoms or have the gift wrappers > write something on it. I imagine they normally want unwrapped gifts cos > they don't know what's in em.. > > So we TELL them what's in em... > > or ask the shoppers to buy a craft.. that the kids can sit in the kid care > area and create while mom shops.. and have the pic taken.. have the present > wrapped.. > > and placed under that tree.. laugh.. > > Fill the base of the tree with WRAPPED presents for the Christmas Cheer > Registry. We can take daily digipics of it filling up. Maybe even do a > little free publicity pushing with the Brandon Sun...what the hey.. they > owe you. For years and years of good economy and your merchants buying ads > in their newspaper. Use it. > > Get the seniors in on this too. > > I'm probably forgetting something about the Santa Tour. I'll tell you > later. I'm off to sleep.. but you can read on... > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Three franchises -- free rent for a year to get traffic > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Also.. get on the phone to those three places Nancy suggested. (rent free > space for a year for Subway, Starbucks, Rogers Video -- to build traffic) > > If you are interested I will ask her for more input. I mentioned what was > going on to her. SHE believes Brandon CAN support two malls. > > SubWay submarines - call the one on Victoria. Though I THINK the franchise > on 18th is owned by the same people. Ask them about taking a spot in the > food area. I just figure, start with someone who is already HERE. Why go > after a new person? They might just be interested if you discuss the > free... yes, free for a year rent that Nancy suggested..and also.. you > could discuss.. getting a percentage of sales. THAT would probably be fair > enough. If it isn't making them any money.. at least they aren't worrying > about paying the rent. > > And call the Rogers and Blockbuster on 18th. See if they would be > interested in a regular or smaller store with the same.. no rent.. with my > idea of a percentage of sales..OR them giving you some kind of marketing > help and promotional advice.. prizes.. etc.. for the mall. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the things you need from the people you are dealing with > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Find the things YOU need from the people you are dealing with. This isn't > about money right now. It's about building certain kinds of traffic in the > mall. (and I'm suggesting you go to the two established places versus > calling head office. They HAVE a franchise already. They may be more > willing to talk deals as it will be a sort of 'affiliate' store.. like the > "Just a Buck" stores are housed in both malls. > > Call a Starbucks head office. Talk to Nancy first, if you have any issues > on this one (since you may be starting from scratch versus dealing with > groups that are already here.) I realize you have The Gourmet Cup. But > owing to the silly reason why the original manager was let go -- he was > buying cheaper coffee from OUTSIDE the franchise...I don't completely trust > the Gourmet Cup. I think they are playing it safe. > > Let me know if there is any crap about a current store having exclusive > rights to being the 'coffee shop' or anything. > > Actually, right now, I could care less. > > --------- > Keystone? > --------- > > And let's have a conversation about doing SOMETHING with the Keystone. > Maybe we could spruce it up for catered parties or a dinner club or dinner > theatre or something. I hear you on the smoking. We'll work on that. HELL.. > turn an empty store into a smoking shop. > > ----------- > Cigar store > ----------- > > Sell cigarettes and cigars and they can sit and smoke til they cough up a > lung. But put a DOOR on that store. laugh. Sure you are pissing off smokers. > > But you are also pissing off NON smokers.. and I imagine SOME of them.. > have already left. Yanno? Til the landowner gets a huge air sucking device > in that area, no matter WHO you put in that food area.. they are gonna be > pissed by the smoke. > > Funny.. the pancake restaurant.. Smitty's at Shoppers.. is horrible too. > What are these people THINKING? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Forbidden Flavours - And independent with a Casteleyn's quality to them > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You MIGHT also talk to Forbidden Flavours on Victoria. Ask them if they > would be interested in coming into the mall on a similar arrangement. They > have ice cream and they also have coffee that they have beans for. And they > do a kind of cafe style thing in there too. They are independents. I talked > to Zita.. I think that's her name... about working on a silly Web site > once. She was interested. I like people who are 'interested' in new ideas. > You might even be so bold as to ask HER for some suggestions of what to do. > > ============ > While I think of it.. did you know Casteleyn's is trying to sell their > business? Cecile is sweet, the store has a lot of traffic. > > But what's interesting.. is they want to move to Toronto. They have a lot > of family there and family that travel to Canada and Toronto is more > accessible. She mentioned this to me. I was rather surprised that they were > selling. > > But someone told me they are asking way too much. Are we talking money > grubbers here? I'm not sure. I talked to the sons. They are earnest types. > But I suppose they have their reasons for the price tag. > > They may get someone buying it.. and the chocolate can stay if the party is > interested (they make the chocolate themselves) > > By the same token.. Linda.. we should be looking at that store.. HARD.. > > They have a steady bit of traffic. They aren't THAT far up the street from us. > > Create a Casteleyn's in the mall, we may just get some of that traffic. I > don't know for sure.. but. That lifestyle sort of store is definitely > something to consider. People like hanging out in fancy places. Yanno? > > While I think of it.. we should talk to the bookstores about having a > hangout type book place.. library?.. like Chapters. They have places to > hang out. > > ------- > Library > ------- > > Nancy mentioned a satellite bookmobile. How about this? Get a stash of new > books/ used/discount books.. whatever from the local bookstores.. do an > exchange in promotion for the cost of the books or something. (try NOT to > spend money.. this is gonnna be a long term exchange sort of thing.. it'll > cost too much to be constantly buying books. Maybe we'll even accept books > from readers.. to an extent) and create a small library. We could tie in > with the public library too. But I want to be careful about institutions > like that. Too many rules. Too many committees. These people don't need to > think in terms of 'retail' selling. I want this book library.. somehow.. as > well... to make money. We could have authors nights when they come in to > read. We could charge admission. > > Funny.. it doesn't occur to me if any of the bookstores or even the library > have authors in or book-related dues.. I know the Campus Bookstore does. > > Strange.... > > I talked to Bonnie Martin of Prairion magazine. She seems to think the > library sucks. Not enough books? I'm not sure. I'm spoiled. I had > 'libraries' in Toronto. Give credit to all bookstores who supply books. A > bookplate in each book. A quiet plug to the bookstore for people who > INVARIABLY read a book and still want to buy it. We might even suggest > getting current books from them.. build some kind of book club/buying > club/reading club to tie in with the downtown bookstores who contribute to > the store.. and stick a computer in there so they can buy books from > Amazon.com. Smile. Ken Jaworski is a guy I want to find some business to do > with him. He's manager of the downtown Candlewood's. McGilligans is good > too. They have story telling evenings. We should do a tie in / cross > promote on that idea. I'm thinking there are a lot of book readers out > there. I don't know what kind of traffic Coles gets but something tells me > they are resting on laurels... again.. Sigh. > > People are definitely into books. Again, if I was merely wishing.. I'd get > Candlewood downtown and McGilligans and Coles to donate a stash of fairly > new books to a satellite or cafe-style.. library.. reading place. Put a > door on it. I MEAN QUIET. A place to come to for quiet. No kids running > around making noise.. I'm talking the study hall in the major libraries.. > NO noise. > > Imagine creating such an oasis in a downtown area. That might be pleasant. > It might take some renovations, mind you. > > --------------------------------- > Renovation/construction companies > --------------------------------- > > Oh and who do we want to deal with for renovations.. you got any favourites? > > A small connect. VERY small. I talk to Keay Dobson. Her husband run > Goelletz (sp) Construction. > > The interesting thing about Keay is she was one of the original Folk Fest > board. I talked to her briefly the other day about background. > > Here is a woman who made a jump. And is enjoying herself. > > Two years ago, at the peak of her teaching career, she opted out. She > wanted to spend more time with her husband. > > Keay.. pretty woman.. in her fourties.. part of all that local 40 something > network. I think she would KNOW a lot of the yuppies we have in this town. > I like her.. so far.. she seems geniune and is happy. She is still involved > in things, has a lot of background in organizing, volunteer management, > music. (she was involved with "Annie" at Neelin High school in some way.) > > She's one to jot a note down on somewhere, Linda.. > > -------------------- > Restaurant resources > -------------------- > > Also.. Anthony in Over the Moon..He's manager and a chef. I don't know him > well. But he has a great little restaurant there. I THINK it's doing well. > He caters too. > > Perhaps he'd want to do a little chatting about.. SOMETHING.. in the mall. > > Yanno? > > Hold that thought. I haven't figured anything out yet. > > Oh yes.. and there's Larry Devries of the Chef's association. Neil Ennis -- > he's in that Bakery Restaurant near Crocus Credit Union.(I think that's the > spelling of his last name) and he are part of the bunch who created the New > Year's eve in September dining.. > > Larry is a teacher. That fancies himself a gourmet. Which he might just be. > He might be just the right 'personality' for a chef in a restaurant, or a > cooking school, or a nice little open air food fest. (do a search on the > Queen's Quay Loblaw's open market. (Loblaws is YOUR Superstore brand) Do a > search on President's choice gift baskets, for all that.) > > There is definitely a market for fine dining... I mean FINE dining..or > cooking classes for yuppies with dinner afterwards... hmm.... > > We just need to figure out how to market it. > > --------- > Le Marche > --------- > > Speaking of markets.. See what you can find on a restaurant/open food area > called Le Marche..it's an open area.. fresh food concept. Nothing so > special but good food. GOOD bread. We need more bread store around here. > Laugh. We used to have an 'Open Window' Bakery in Toronto. They sold > cookies.. bread, sandwiches and things like chicken pot pie. Yuppie manna, > again. > > The Eatons Centre had one. I imagine it can be copied in a fashion if we > can't get a franchise in here. Hmmmm.. where to put it.. is all.. In > Shopper's Drug Mart? As in.. expand the food area? That's a thought. > > Have Le Marche, a Casteleyn's type coffee shop.. maybe Starbucks...a Video > browsing area a la Blockbusters.. or this library... hmmm.. > > in Shoppers's Drug Mart. > > For the next while.. anyway.. > > ----------------- > Spending money... > ---------------- > > And no.. NO renovations. They want renovations, they pay for it themselves. > You are offering them no rent for a year with perhaps a discusssion about > giving you a percentage of sales or HELPFUL marketing resources. > > And in particular, with the freebies on rent.. they make themselves > available to talk marketing strategies with you. > > >From here on out.. anyone who comes into this mall is contributing to the > solution. NOT sitting around and bitching and becoming part of the problem. > > -------------------------- > Talking to current tenants > -------------------------- > > Do you get out and talk to your merchants? (and NOT just the owners.. ALL > the employees as well. I believe in going to the source for answers. I > don't believe in ivory towers. We talk to the people on the 'shop room > floor' as it were and they will provide us with solutions that SHOULD have > been staring us in the face from word go.) We need to start doing that. > Let's play good cop/bad cop and find out what problems they are having, how > we can help them and how they can help US. It's that 'collaborator' > mentality I was talking about. > > Have you ever considered moving the office down to the mall? > > It's called 'management by walking around.' Pick up any 'Excellence' books > by Tom Peters. You get a drift of what I mean. > > (But let's not go overboard. I've also read about 'addictive' companies.. > Let's not go there, okay?.. I want us all to end up healthy.. okay?) > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Rotating signage problems? -- Transportation resources > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Let's talk to Anne Boychuk about 'temporary signage.' She's the favored > artist at the moment and seriously I'd also like to find some other revenue > streams for her. She and I talked about this a good while ago. She'll also > be a little stressed right now but if she gets a call from a mall manager.. > versus li'l ole me.. laugh.. she might just make some time to sit down and > do a bit of brainstorming. Mind you, she likes getting paid. But I want her > INVOLVED in this.. NOT just a hired hand. She has a teaching art in schools > background. She's done that in town here. She does face painting at > festivals. She might have a few tricks up her sleeve. > > And her husband (Ray?) runs Four Way Taxi. I haven't figured it out yet but > somehow we should try setting up taxi service for seniors or handicapped or > something... to "come to the mall." Also.. Lindsay Restaphanuk of the > Handi-Trans (his son and Derek are friends) is a REAL service oriented > guy. We should talk to BOTH of them about some kind of regular or > semi-regular service. > > While I'm thinking of it, we should talk to the city or the transit about > deals on 'trips to the mall' or something. Getting some cross-promotion in > this area going is possibly helpful too. We should think about promotions > that target each demographic. No.. I'm not talking about spending any > money.. yet. Let's just put this point on the agenda. We should talk to > Nancy about this...as in.. WHO comes to the mall... presently. > > I'd like a chance to walk through the mall with you. I don't feel the need > for us to be writing all this stuff down all the time.. though email is > VERY handy.. smile. But we should discuss what's in the mall now.. > tenants-wise.. and what we can do to help them or improves things for them > or get other serivices and businesses in here to complement them.. or > something. > > ---------------- > The Rusty Circle > ---------------- > > Hmmm... what about some of these straggler stores.. on the edge of the > downtown.. The Rusty Circle.. I have been talking to Kelly for different > reasons but I think she is a good person to discuss something.. not sure > yet.. with... as she represents an independent AND a younger crowd of culture. > > ---------- > SunSeekers > ---------- > > I haven't talked to them yet but Joyce recommmended them when I asked about > a travel agent. Linda Campbell is possibly a good ideas person and they > have a related insurance business. Insurance business/travel agents.. in > the mall.. each bringing their own clientelle. > > Some people WANT to be that far down Rosser. A lot of people have moved OUT > of that area. I wonder what Sunseeker's status is. They may be hungry and > up for discussions on crazy ideas. Mark that one down as well. > > And there's a guy there. I talked to him briefly. Now I forget his name. > But he's President of the Fall Fair. Interesting connect. (oh and Randy > MacDonald.. he's gonna be at Twoonies in two weeks. He's the marketing > manager for the Provincial Exhibition.. just a thought.. always interesting > to know some of the power centres, Linda. He's a singer. Friend of Nancy's. > So is Diane Nelson.. another Twoonies singer.) > > -------------------------- > Laundrymats and Joyce Koke > -------------------------- > Nancy suggested a laundrymat in Kenny Choy's Prairie Lanes. > > I've heard tell that the laundry that Kenny rents to the tenants for...way > down west on Rosser before 18th.. is closing. I wonder if they would be > interested in discussions on either coming INTO the mall or selling > machines... > > Also.. Joyce Koke of Country Costumes.. a rental service for costumes who I > have been talking to about themed web site ideas.. ran.. or is running a > laundrymat in a small town for the summer. She just got into it.. ran into > some problems and is probably gonna sell it. Maybe she'd entertain some > ideas in helping with a laundrymat in the mall.. yes.. you heard me.. > that's another of Nancy's ideas for Kenny. I think we might look at a dry > cleaner too, in keeping with the business services mall idea. Though I > realize there is a place up the street across from the city hall. Ask > them.. Maybe they'd do a deal.. again.. as an affiliate. > > But another reason why Joyce might do the laundrymat. She's got rental > costumes to clean. Maybe we could have a laundrymat, tailor-type shop. She > sews costumes..maybe she has some other ideas for that too. > > She does this nomadic thing (she just took over the business this year, I > think) from someone. She rents a store for the Halloween season to rent > costumes. I imagine she'd do something like that in the mall. It would be a > good traffic thing cos in a sense.. she's unique in town and is supplying > her own clientelle.. (yeah.. THOSE are the businesses we should target..the > ones with their own clientelle already. Who else can you think of who has > their own clientelle?) > > Now.. she may be nomadic now.. but if we can expand her business to include > more holidays...Christmas/Millenium theme parties are strong for her this > year. I'm gonna talk to her on Wednesday, along with Kelly of the Rusty > Circle, and George Buri of 7 Ages Productions. I was thinking about a > 'catered.. costumed.. murder mystery party business. > > I'll keep you posted on that. laugh. > > Talk to ya. > > Heather > creatist.com From ???@??? 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Fri Sep 03 14:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 650 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1999 18:59:10 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 18:59:10 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p11.mts.net [205.200.47.73]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22207 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D01856.40D2ED43@mts.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 13:49:58 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: Kenny Choys Mall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - invite youth. THey have money too. - put necessities there: money machine, pay phone, etc other free stuff. - stage events there, no charge: non-profit rallies, etc. - winter flea market in corner - offer FREE space for a year to 3 imporant franchises: SubWay, Starbucks, Rogers Video - put a laundrymat in there. Keep going. Nancy -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Fri Sep 03 14:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 742 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1999 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p11.mts.net [205.200.47.73]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22281 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D0188D.DEF1B9A6@mts.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 13:50:53 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: One more Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - get the public library to have a satellite bookmobile - satellite used book store gotta go. -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Sun Sep 05 18:05:51 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 760 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 22:28:24 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 22:28:24 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas03-p26.mts.net [205.200.42.88]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17033 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:27:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D297AC.DED119EE@mts.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:17:48 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: Kenny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like kenny and his wife, Rebecca. He has marketing ideas and educated progeny (lawyer, accountant) who he takes his advise from. He does spend but reluctantly it seems, and in questionable ways sometimes. He travels the globe annually. Yes. I have given him dozens of free ideas over the past 30 months. These can be YOUR ideas. If you say it TOO maybe he'll bite. I want him to succeed. Your price is right. Make him bite. N. -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Mon Sep 27 22:46:21 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 31969 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1999 00:37:37 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 00:37:37 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas02-p05.mts.net [205.200.47.163]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08221 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F00B71.896AA956@mts.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:27:30 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: Twoonie Updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Per your call, here is my latest with a bit of background and some new stuff marked FIRST NOTICE 27 Sep Bluesy ROCK Lisa Marie Serafin BFMAS Presents From Winnipeg. Has performed at Brandon Folk Festival 4 Oct d'Blues JAM - House Band - Breadline Shoes. Breadline Shoes, from Rapid City, 3 sets. First break - Terry & Steve from Brandon. Second break - G.B. Peech and the Sidebanders from Brandon. October 11 No Show Long Weekend Break FIRST NOTICE: 18 Oct Pop'n Folk Boy Eric Stiwich & Friends BFMAS Presents Guitars & Vocals with a lively stage show. Host of Sud's Open Mic Night's every second Wednesday. Performed at Brandon Folk Festival. 25 Oct JAZZ Show Set 1, 6:30 p.m. Voclaist Randy MacDonald Set 2, 7:45 p.m. Ted Good Music presents Alex Dean Toronto SaxMan.(Press kit provided. Internationally reknowned.) JAM!!@9 combo: Cham Paine Trio. 1 Nov d'Blues JAM-House Band-Desert Island Blues Band Brandon Blues Combo featuring Joe Stamper and friends. FIRST NOTICE 8Nov Scottish Cameron Connection Vocal Quartet Scottish and Conemporary Music 15Nov PUNK One Trick Pony and others (tentative) FIRST NOTICE - CONFIRMED THIS TIME!!! 22Nov FOLK Sam Baardman BFMAS Presents from Winnipeg. Popular, Well-known energetic show. FIRST NOTICE 29Nov JAZZ Cham Paine Trio and guests Junior Jazz openers - first set. 20Dec JAZZ Cold Noël Hot Dixie - Cham Paine Trio. 27Dec d'Blues Millennium Blues - JAM - 5 sets! Start 6:30 p.m. 3Jan Open Performers call 5716914 10Jan Open Performers call 5716914 This update: September 27, 1999 Venue / Bookings: Contact bph@mts.net (204)5716914 Support Live Music in Brandon. Post this Notice Every MONDAY-LIVE MUSIC starts 6:30 pm NiteCaps Lounge at Kokonas 1011 Rosser Reserve 7274395 -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Thu Sep 30 13:45:20 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 28712 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 14:07:54 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 14:07:54 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p82.mts.net [205.200.47.144]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01016 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:07:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F36C65.2F7E44AD@mts.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:57:57 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Re: Query References: <3.0.5.32.19990929181452.00928790@mail.creatist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Her name is Ann Lancely. Heather wrote: > > You mentioned a woman to me a while ago who lives here in town and is > interested in something to do with teaching. I believe you'd mentioned > creatist to her. > > Whatever became of her? > > Oh and be thinking about this: What questions do you usually NEED to ask a > person you want to book at Twoonies? What questions do THEY usually ask? > > We could have a form for a database. There would be a 'request' form for > the person offering the schedule/booking and a form for the person > inquiring about the booking. He could offer his information for the club or > venue. > > Heather -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Tue Oct 05 00:22:50 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 29136 invoked from network); 5 Oct 1999 03:46:51 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Oct 1999 03:46:51 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p14.mts.net [205.200.47.76]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14616 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:46:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F97244.69A39184@mts.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:36:36 -0500 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: twoonie names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry Dagg, Guitar and Steve Burton, vocals and guitar. Lyndon Bournon & wife Brenda on bass, son derek on rhythm, Barry Day, harmonica, lead vocals, drumer Joe. Green Grass Band. Kevin Shmidt - harmonica, vocals, guitar, Chris Warkentin from rapid city, lead guitar. Drummer, hydro guys. GB Peech and the side banders. Gary on lead guitar. brother, Bob, lead vocals and guitar. Jocelyen on drums. Guest Bassist, Ruth Peech. -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Sun Dec 12 22:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 13373 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1999 18:37:29 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 12 Dec 1999 18:37:29 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p20.mts.net [205.200.47.82]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14705 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:37:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3853E884.77F72A3C@mts.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:25:09 -0600 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Subject: Re: Market thoughts.. References: <3.0.5.32.19991211232423.00922200@mail.creatist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heather wrote: > > nancy... > > I've been doing a lot of thinking about malls. > > Could you offer a piece of input from your marketing perspective and > knowledge of the area. > > 1. Can Brandon support two major malls? Do we have the people? Do they have the interest? Yes. > 2. Shouldn't Gallery Mall simply continue as it's going and become a business mall? Yes Business mall, not only one OF businesses and for BUSINESS needs, but also one serving business people with regular consumer services... Like the underground mall at portage and main.WPG The only people who use those shops are workers from the area. > 3. Could Brandon support an entertainment mall? Street Access would be required for these venues: eg. restaurant off 7th street. Theatre, Live Music, Art Exhibition.. Some mix - where's the revenue. >Would enough people be interested? interested enough... Competetive Analysis. people enough... which people. Country, Christian, Kids entertainment. \ Risky concept... as we already know. > 4. Will rural traffic come to the downtown if we supply them with something that Brandon Shoppers Mall doesn't have? Something they need >Or do they really care? Do they care about the south mall??? Care is not in the equation of consumerism. >They just need a Superstore to do their monthly shopping, maybe? Frequency of visits from various distances important to know. I think there is a proportion of rural traffic downtown. Assess that proportion and set goals to increase it. > I just think.. maybe.. Brandon has only a market for one mall. I disagree. > And the Brandon Shoppers has been more agggressive in offering services and setup that the buying public wants. I sagree. > Thoughts? > > H -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-0023 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 12:54:32 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: Testing my connection... smile Cc: hallie@creatist.com Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: PROBLEMS The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. - Theodore Rubin I just ran in the door at the BIA and asked Laurene if they had a Pickle Festival site. She said "no, but we're working on it." I feel like you felt about Ken Choy (is it?) from Prairie Lanes and your suggestion about buskers. Argh... You KNOW what I told you about Dave and the Pickle Festival. But I sent him an email. (Just so you know. I have decided I need to keep you posted on things, if you are okay with that. Smile) I asked Dave if I could create a pro bono SIMPLE!!! I said SIMPLE to him.. Web site for Pickle Festival. Do you REALIZE the marketing stuff they could be doing on the Web? I was relating a couple of thoughts to Dave on this site and here are a few for YOU as well. Did you know we could create an 8 1/2 X 11 page that one could print out on teeshirt transfer paper (leaving the buying of such things to the person to PRINTS it, of course) of a Pickle Fest logo? Why hasn't someone created a Pickle Festival plastic pin with a little safety pin glued to it - a Pickle Festival pin? When I was 12 and went to the Bicks (was it?) pickle factory in the states, I got a little pickle pin. It was painted gold cos they were having some kind of anniversary. Aren't we? Why isn't someone DOING THIS? Laugh. Also, we could use the art that's BEEN created for Pickle Fest to have a page kids could go to and print out a Pickle Picture to colour in. We could have a pickle drawing contest and the winner wins something. Yanno? What app do you create the Twoonie Live marketing piece in? Ya knooow.. if you set the "Twoonie Live" page up as a WEB page (that you printed out.. what was it..four up?.. you could use your access to your html page and update the page yourself. Do you know know to upload pages to your Web site? Do you have an application called WS-FTP? What's your domain name? Did you say you had anything set UP yet on the new domain? Here.. look at this thing I created for creatist. I thought I've create shells that I could print a message on the other side of as needed on whatever paper or take an original to the print shop, etc. http://www.creatist.com/BookmarksBackground4up.html I've just stuck it up there for illustration. Granted, this is art, but you could do the same easily enough with text. I'm not gonna leave it there. But just to show you what you could do. Please note: IN NETSCAPE COMPOSER...under File/Page Setup I have set all my margins to 0 and turned all my headers and footers off. What you SHOULD see is a 4 up page of a shell I created. If you use Internet Explorer, you MAY see something else. Check your Netscape setup before you Print Preview this page. Then print the damn thing out and imagine it's your twoonie leaflet. I've moved to Netscape Composer for all my web stuff. I do images in Image Composer, plop them in an html page and WS-FTP them to the web. NO more printed items.. unless you want them. And the guy at the other END can print them off to -- saving YOU paper. Dig? Heather From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 16:17:13 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: This is Flash... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Here's an example of the Flash application in use. http://www.dimension6.com/ From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 19:14:57 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: Indy Film marketing - Netfest and Sundance sites Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Nancy, if you haven't seen this before, here are the Sundance site(s). http://www.sundance.org/ http://www.sundance.net/ http://www.sundance-utah.com/ Ask me if I like the style of this, go on.. ASK me.. Laugh. The last I read on this site, they are planning a TELEVISION channel. http://www.sundancechannel.com/ Nancy, I wrote to these from the Netfest.com people and got this reply. http://www.netfest.com/ Check out this Web site for Independent film and video/audio streaming. The films I watched a while back were very good. Heather ---------------- Dear Prospective Sponsor! Thank you for your interest in NetFest.com, the first Internet Film Festival to stream independent short and, soon, feature films, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. With a growing audience of now over 40,000 hits a month, we can help promote your product or service to both business and home viewers alike. Sponsorship of the NetFest.com Internet Film Festival can come in a variety of ways: TITLE SPONSORSHIP: You can sponsor an individual film title at the NetFest.com Screening Room for only $25.00 a month. A hyperlink can be tagged to your favorite short to support its stream to interested viewers. For example, "Mobil presents Slappy: The 13th Apostle." Buy multiple ads and receive significant savings. There are no minimum buys. COMMERCIAL SPONSORSHIP: If your company has a :30 commercial, we can open a short or feature film with it. The interested viewers would see your commercial spot before the short for as little as $0.05 a download. And, don't worry. While we have some 40,000 hits a month, with our growing list of films, individual short film downloads are a fraction of the total. Last month, "Did She Say... Boy?" was our most popular short with a little over 5,000 hits, which translates to around $250.00 a month for a commercial spot. There is a six month minimum buy for this type of sponsorship, due to the uploading of the commercial to the short film. PAGE SPONSORSHIP: And finally, you can place your banner on any page of NetFest.com for a penny a hit. Each additional page is another penny. Or, you can have your banner placed on every page for 5 cents a hit. There is a three month minimum buy for this type of advertising. For all the types of Sponsorship, the Sponsor will also receive a complimentary listing and short description of their products or services on our Sponsors Page. Thank you again for your interest in NetFest.com. If any of these types of Sponsorship interest you, please let us know who we can contact at your company to start the process. NetFest.com PS. Thank you for your kind words about the site. The reason so many of the films are by the same directors and crew is that we are comfortable with their work, and so are our viewers. We continually have requests for more of their work, and we are all too happy to oblige. Unfortunately, some of the work submitted to NetFest.com, and we suspect other film festivals, is not quality work. It doesn't make you laugh, cry, or even think. More often than not, it just makes you wonder: what are earth were they thinking about when they made this. Thank you again, and we hope you enjoyed the shorts. We have scheduled four more to be uploaded by the end of next week. If we can help you with advertising, please let us know. NetFest.com From ???@??? Fri Sep 03 13:00:18 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: ideas for Prairie Lanes shops Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I thought I might try to help boost the Prairie Lanes gallery by making sure they were in the 'digital directory' gallery in time for Pickle Fest. I went to Prairie Lanes and talked to Barb Lacey and Kenny Choy. I was stunned. I had no idea how empty that place is. We need to figure out a way to promote that place. Yes, the walkby trade not being able to look inside is a big problem but we need to figure out SOME way to get people going into that place. Or a way to get them INTO that place without seeing it as they walk by. Barb says the mall was packed during the Pickle Fest. She also said one problem of the businesses in that mall seemed to be: people are looking, but not buying. Why do you think that is? Barb mentioned that a lot of people are of the 'mall mentality.' They expect to see 70 stores, all the same franchise, like the Brandon Shoppers' Mall. I realize this is a cultural thing. And people are simply LEAVING the downtown to move out to the less expensive urban centres. She even suggested that a lot of businesses that went into that mall, in a way, took advantage of the short term leasing / renting aspect of that mall. They went in, with a clear intent to move to better digs once they'd found them. Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe what we need to do is focus on what DOES work for that mall and sell it to whoever on that basis. I talked to Kenny Choy. He's at wits' end. He's poured LOTS of money into the damn thing but he's understandably getting a little annoyed at the lack of return. I asked him if he was interested in you, he and I putting our heads together to see if we can come up with a solution. I REALIZE he's had experts through that place already. Barb said an expert involved with marketing looked at their list of things they'd done to promote the place: all the required elements to good marketing were there. But is ain't helpin'! Give me your thoughts. For one, you suggested John Lawrence of 10th street is just being dumb. Driving his tenants out by trying to raise the rent too quickly. What's your take on Kenny? Is he doing anything moneywise -- get the money upfront HE needs out of it, to heck with the business owner -- to discourage tenants. This place is the place Kevin described that we need on 10th street. The place has ALREADY been renovated. (Kenny has this one point up on Jon Laurence) But the visibility seems to suck. Which is weird. Even the Eatons Centre is not completely visible from the street. People KNOW about the Eatons Centre, that's why they go to it. Not because they saw it as they were walking down the street. What do you think Kenny is - fundamentally - doing wrong? If he's even DOING anything wrong. Maybe he's not. Let's help him. It will help the downtown. What about using the spaces as tiny offices? What about using them as tiny TEMPORARY offices? What about using them as tiny, temporary offices for the salespeople who travel through town? They -- like a hotel/office suite -- could come to town, book an office for a day, a week, an hour.. to conduct business, do a presentation, work on a proposal. Like rent a seat at the library only offer more amenities than that. A "temporary" travelling salesman suite. That's one idea. Another (and we could use the power of the web to organize it) is to have classes in these suites. Artist classes, artist demonstrations, cooking glasses, ANY kind of classes. A person, again, could book a seminar room (now they become seminar rooms) and come with his little group to do the class or seminar or whatever. We use the power of the web. People obtaining these places could: - come to a Web site - Check to see what suites are available. - book and PAY for a suite by ecommerce - show up at the appropriate time and grab a key from someone - do their presentation, have their meeting, work on a proposal. Like the hotels have started doing by promoting business suites. We could take digital pictures of the suite, like the digital directory idea again, and have an bit of information to go with it - the size, what amenities are available, plugs for electricity and provide information on the web site. Give me your thoughts, when you have time. ESPECIALLY on what you think Kenny Choy is about. Would he be interested in doing something like this? I remember a building I worked in in Hamilton. The owner, a builder, had set the place up as a business centre complete with secretarial and equipment services. That's one angle Kenny could use this place for. But he could also get the artists in rural areas coming to town, for a day, for a week, for a weekend. Like Kevin was saying, they could have a 'convention' or trade fair for a weekend. A mini convention centre. For the people can't afford or don't NEED the square footage of the Keystone centre. Every damn weekend we could have a Picklefestival or a convention or a flea market of some sort. And we could use the web to coordinate it matching businesses and artists with office. An office exchange. Cool. If people are USING Kenny to his disadvantage by stopping in on a short term rental.. let's PUSH this aspect. Let them rent, short-term, for mini conventions. A mini convention centre. Heather From ???@??? Fri Sep 03 23:55:21 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: Pickle pondering Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: C:\Eudora\attach\008pend.jpg; In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Hi --------------------- I'm just thinking.. I should walk around a take pictures with the digital camera and keep posting them on the web site. We could have: Pickle preparations Pickle fest Pickled people.... laugh... ----------------------- What are the rules on using the picklefest logo on a product that someone (other than the BIA) makes? As far as you know, are any ten year anniversary (this is the tenth year, isn't it?) items being created? Can you think of anyone who makes or COULD make (or if it's being done): - Pickle fest pickle totem pole or wood carving - Pickle fest medallion -pepper pickled peanuts (Richard's mum brought him "bad ass" peanuts seasoned with cabello (sp) peppers - tiny pickle barrels with the pickle fest logo on them - a pickle wooden nickle with the logo - pickle penny candy - candy in the shape of a pickle -- perhaps mint flavoured (do we have a candy factory in town?) - dill salad dressing.. again in a nice bottle with strips of dill weed in it. - Pickle fest CHOCOLATE medallion - Candy Boutique? - Pickle fest key chain - Pickle fest rose? Hmmmm... I wonder... dip white roses in green food colouring or some kind of colouring so they look mint or pickle green - a bouquet of pickles (skewer the pickles with nice looking handled skewers and wrap them in a bouquet - Pickle fest stamps? as in mailing - Pickle fest stamps? as in stamp pad - Pickle fest candle molds? (I saw a candle of a tiny honey coloured bear for $3.00US - Pickle fest pickle cookie molds? - Pickle fest "cookies" - make them green and decorate them with the logo. - Pickle fest oven mitts - Pickle fest ribbon with pickle fest logo to wrap around a candle, say a melon green votive candle. - a pickle hand puppet or doll -------------------------------------------- Does the local chippery (damn I forget the name..they're near the North Hill) make dill pickle chips? A good kids food...is it being sold? What if Castelyn's made a chocolate pickle.. They DO MAKE the chocolate, don't they? They should serve pickle cappuccino. Make a green drink of some kind with a pickle umbrella in it. Laugh. I read somewhere about a 'pickle pizza' .... my god... laugh. What about 'pickle jars' fancy jars for pickles... What about NICE bottles with pickled peppers in them. You know.. we're starting to talk gourmet food containers. "What do you want on your pickle?" -- I've seen a hot dog documentary site do this with hot dogs. You have a disgusting option of what to put on your pickle and get to see what it looks like. ----------------------------------- Pickle festival mugs? Pickle under glass see attached image. Put a pickle like object in a clear rough shaped piece of glass... create a pendant... From ???@??? Sat Dec 11 23:24:23 1999 To: Nancy From: Heather Subject: Market thoughts.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: nancy... I've been doing a lot of thinking about malls. Could you offer a piece of input from your marketing perspective and knowledge of the area. 1. Can Brandon support two major malls? Do we have the people? Do they have the interest? 2. Shouldn't Gallery Mall simply continue as it's going and become a business mall? 3. Could Brandon support an entertainment mall? Would enough people be interested? 4. Will rural traffic come to the downtown if we supply them with something that Brandon Shoppers Mall doesn't have? Or do they really care? They just need a Superstore to do their monthly shopping, maybe? I just think.. maybe.. Brandon has only a market for one mall. And the Brandon Shoppers has been more agggressive in offering services and setup that the buying public wants. Thoughts? H From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 14:45:29 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10550 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 19:36:53 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 19:36:53 -0000 Received: from mts.net (brndas01-p12.mts.net [205.200.47.74]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03333 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CECF3C.CF8E2740@mts.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:25:48 -0500 From: Nancy McLennan Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: ArtVentures List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brainstorm for Creatist Factory Venture Person Contact via Twoonie ClubLive Nancy McLennan bph@mts.net Photographer Brian Milne Above tradefare exchange Painter - Artist Barb Flemington Above tradefare Painter - Artist Marcia Monreal Ag canada research station Sculpter - Artist Ned Birch Ned & Lisa - phone book Musician Moe Karuze Hair salon on 10th 30 Below - Film Festival Raymond MacIssaac filmfest@mts.net Brandon Film Festival Raymond MacIssaac filmfest@mts.net Kanamarra Productions Dave Mahoney mahoneyd@westman.wave.ca Open Door Music Gwen Trip 7273078 Musican, harpist Ann Germani Phone book Wall Murals Arlene Boychuk Phone book Muscian punk band Jfk Mynameisjack@hotmail.com Brandon Jazz Festival Roger Mantie rmantie@mbnet.mb.ca The Ducks - classic rock band Keith Dodds Leech Printing Big Dick Cadillac - rock band Gerry Perkin Teacher - crocus plains Writer Dale Lakevold Minnedosa address Photographer Derek Gunnlagson dex@iname.com Photographer Sandy Black Phone book? Monday Blues Brad Gurr gurrb@techplus.com Artist Cathy Tommasen 8th & Lousie Artist Shirley Lloyd Davies C/o avenue4 graphics Brandon Folk Music & Art Society Donna Lowe Phone book Heather - I do not guarantee the integrity of spelling on these. Get them to spin you forward and build. I'll send you more in a few days. Regards, Nancy -- ph:204-571-6914 fax:204-571-6350 www.bph.mb.ca From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 15:43:51 1999 To: Nancy McLennan From: Heather Subject: Re: ArtVentures List - private response Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <37CECF3C.CF8E2740@mts.net> References: X-Eudora-Signature: At 02:25 PM 9/2/99 -0500, Nancy wrote: >Brainstorm for Creatist Factory Take note that I'm talking to you like there's no one else in the room. That's why you should consider some of my missives private response. I won't write that again at the top. I simply want to get a fix on some of these people we are dealing with. And I tend not to mince words when I wanna know something. Others, who see such a missive might get the wrong idea. I plan to collaborate with as many factions as will have me. But to start out, I'm relaying some of my thoughts to you on these crews. I'm the new kid in town and I ain't dumb. I KNOW there are factions out there. I just want to be ready for them. We don't want to be wasting a lot of time playing 'politics' with these people. That's my INTENT anyway. Oh and give me some thoughts on where (if any) these people hang out. I guess I need to start 'hanging out' places, yanno? laugh. Keewwwl. Thanks for the list.. I've added some questions on a few people. >Kanamarra Productions Dave ---------------------- I read some articles about the Brandon University centennial (or something) I saw that Kanamarra was doing some filming on-campus. To do with the centennial, I'm not sure. I haven't dug too deep just lately on this topic. My plan is to sidle up to as many 'major' Brandon events and organizers as I can to see who's involved and what they are doing. Oh.. interjection. Do you do Mike Cool of Look Music? What's the skinny on him? If any... Could you give me a sound byte or two on this centennial or whatever it is? I'm PRETTY sure it was to do with the university. I was down to the Brandon Sun a while back checking out places to advertise. I THINK I saw some mention of a special feature for the centennial. Remember, I don't read newspapers (I hate the negative shit) so fill me in on this topic. Also, as I think of it what do you know about Heritage Tourism (people come to town to look at our museums and old buildings) in Brandon? I read those articles in the current BIA paper (not sure if it's been distributed yet, I grabbed one from the BIA) about Heritage Tourism strategies. I did a bit of hunting on this bunch. Something to do with the retired city clerk who has an office in the downstairs of the Library building where City and Area Planning used to be. I'm thinking marketing... here .. for this subject. Tourism. Oh and let me send you a copy of the silly Elophant Kids Web site. I thought of this now tie-in with tourism in Manitoba/Brandon. Mahoney mahoneyd@westman.wave.ca ------------------------ Mahoney, a guy? >Open Door Music Gwen Trip 7273078 ------------- They have like, a store? Or are they something on campus. I've SEEN this, I'm just not sure where. >Musican, harpist Ann Germani Phone book ------------ What's your thought on music sites.. as in.. the kids on campus who take music/ maybe a forum / maybe a tutor exchange.... that sort of thing. Where's the kid culture (20 year olds) in Brandon? >Wall Murals Arlene Boychuk Phone book ----------- This woman is too cool. I like her stuff. And her approach? Marketing-wise? Excellento.. >The Ducks - classic rock band Keith Dodds Leech Printing -------- Keith is a salesman? I think I've seen that name. What's your worldview on Leech? Are they out to take over the world? Or are they open to a little competition? Or what's your view? I feel we will be shaking the trees of a FEW of these large organizations. If they don't take us seriously.. THAT'S OKAY!.. LAUGH.. It'll make it easier for us to manoeuver. But groups like Leech and the Brandon Sun and even IMG, to be quite honest, and Westman.. We be shaking their trees a bit. They might get huffy. Smile. >Big Dick Cadillac - rock band Gerry Perkin Teacher - crocus plains --------------- Tell me about Crocus Plains. I hear it's a vocational school. What subjects do they have?.. besides cooking.. of which I was interested due to the Brandon District Chefs and Cooks association. >Writer Dale Lakevold Minnedosa address ------ Is Dale the guy who writes for the Oh! Brandon? >Photographer Derek Gunnlagson dex@iname.com >Photographer Sandy Black Phone book? Sandy Black did photos for Contract Solutions.. Ya know, we simply outta advertise a general meeting of some kind and get a bunch of these people in a room. Which ones are part of the Collaborators? Obviously (boy did _I_ feel dumb) Garry Stelmack (Laurene's husband?) isn't one. Clue me in here. >Monday Blues Brad Gurr gurrb@techplus.com ---------- Monday Blues? Is that a group? >Artist Cathy Tommasen 8th & Lousie >Artist Shirley Lloyd Davies C/o avenue4 graphics Yeah, give me a quick lowdown on the graphic design shops in town, will ya? Do you know the owner of Adrax? >Brandon Folk Music & Art Society Donna Lowe Phone book > > >Heather - I do not guarantee the integrity of spelling on these. Get >them to spin you forward and build. I'll send you more in a few days. But of course. Not to worry. I will shake this tree and see what falls out of it. Thanks a lot, Nancy. Semi-organized thoughts on Kids site to follow. I was talking to Lara Thompson at the BIA. I dropped this thoughtwave (see next email) off yesterday but she's not in. Heather From ???@??? Thu Sep 02 15:59:11 1999 To: Nancy McLennan From: Heather Subject: Elophant Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: I am going to have two web sites. One is called Natural Air. I will come back to that in future but the idea being I've covered all age ranges. The Natural Air site will be for adults. It will be more to do with buying things for starters, more of an e-commerce, lifestyle site but it will incorporate some of the subjects that the other site will have. The other site will be for kids. Dave asked me to write three stories for Elophant - our kids web site. I have a medium-sized stuffed elephant I take digital pictures of. I call him Elliot O. Phant. I will start with him and write kids stories about his adventures. I started this afternoon, working on a framework for the kid's stories. Dave said to incorporate two elements to any site I build. Build something that will draw traffic, ergo draw advertisers or build a product that people will pay to have or use. I am working on ways to have these two elements incorporated into Elophant. I was going to write a kids' level line of stories - I dunno, ages 6 - 12. Relatively early aged stories. But here are a few sources from which I am drawing ideas: 1. A t.v. show about a real-life dog who talks aloud. (to the audience, if I remember; I can't remember if he talked to the people in the show) The details are a little fuzzy but I think they had the dog pretend he was different famous people sorta.. Sherlock Holmes or a Sherlock-like character. The point is the dog had adventures in a fantasy time and in a real time (I think sometimes there were stories with his real owners. This allows a lot of latitude) There was this underlying element of teaching kids to learn about history and to read. 2. A t.v. show with two guys.. real brothers, I think; who showed us about a lot of things, mostly animals, I think. The pace was fast and the guys both had a great deal of fun. They really ENJOYED themselves, yanno? This show teaches kids about nature, animals, the environment, science, I'm probably forgetting something. 3. I know there's also Ben Nye, the science guy and there was another science show too. Both were pretty crazy. I'm not saying I want to go that root but I do know science for kids has become popular. Why not? It's all knowledge. 4. Remember the Young Indiana Jones series with the two different aged Indiana Jones? That was a classic piece of entertainment AND educational television. Too bad nobody bought it. I liked the way Indiana Jones would run into famous people. It was the first time I think I saw a kids sorta show where the kid would truly experience the EMOTION of the time. I remember one on Indy learning about Jazz from George Gershin, I think, and being in war, and meeting Albert Schweitzer. I was really moved by those stories. I thought they were really well done. I'm not suggesting I want to go THAT far as this was more a young adult kind of show. I THINK I will stick to a kidsview view til I find my writing voice on such things. I want it to sound geniune. I think it's an art to write for teens. Without sounding silly or contrived, yanno? 5. Well, there's always the H.G. Wells classic, The Time Machine. I will think about incorporating either a time machine element or simply have stories told to the elephant or other animals by older people or something. I want to try to have a first-person experience so the kids can identify with it. That's why I think I thought the Young Indiana Jones worked so well. But stories of that age are a little more complex. I'm not sure I'm ready for that.. that in-between age of writing.. not quite for adults, but no longer for little kids. 6. Curious George. Do you remember him? There was a series of storybooks a milion years ago that were quite popular. It was about a monkey who was owned by a professor or teacher or something and he was always getting into trouble. I think that concept has seen a long run in kids stories, I think I can use it okay. I can also start looking at current kids books some more to get ideas in that area. (which fills one interest of mine which has been kids books. Boink!) 7. Lara of the local Business improvement business - BIA - is a summer student who's taking rural development at Assiniboine College. She is also coordinating a kids day we have as part of a two day Pickle Festival. I talked to her in early days and also asked her what she'd be interested in working on, if she got involved in a Web site. She seems to be an environmentalist. And doing the kid fest makes me see she likes kids. This would be a PERFECT idea to cover her interests. She has a few classmates who have done a xeriscape.. it's to do with sustainable growing methods. So I get the feeling she's pretty gung ho on stuff like this. She definitely said she was interested in doing something, when she has time, of course. She's off to her second year in the fall. [I was talking to someone that didn't know the BIA here..] The BIA itself is a group who promote the downtown core. Getting them involved in this would be good. It would be a good promotion aspect for Brandon downtown as well. And give me an excuse to be talking to these people in a lower pressure situation that JUST "ya wanna buy an ad?" I still plan to do other related writing but this would be a good buy in the way the volunteer agencies aspect of VolunteerBase is a good buy in. People are into volunteering in this country these days. I see a lot of businesses promoting cause-related agencies to boost their profile. It's nothing new, I think it's just with all this environmental issue stuff and save the whale.. etc.. more people are into it, yanno? 8. People are into taking care of animals. There are a lot of shows on these days about doing that, I imagine. (I saw a book with "Radar" - Garry Burgoff (sp) from M.A.S.H. who was on cover about animal care. Remember how Radar was into animals? I imagine that's why they asked him to do the series on pet care - which I'm ASSUMING there was; I didn't see it.) We could involve the local animal care agencies and help promote proper care of animals and misuse of animals by providing education on such manner. The Pickle Festival is having a DASH tent where kids bring their animals for 'medical' treatments to learn about going to a hospital, throwing out expired medicine (they've asked people to bring in old bottles) and taking care of pets. A good idea. Okay. Those are some sources I will draw from. Here's what I want to incorporate in a kid's web site: 1. Travel Travel and tourism in Manitoba (or around the world). I can have this creature or his friends travel around Manitoba.. for real or virtually. I can solicit travel and tourism information from all around Manitoba and of course, Brandon. There's a big push on at the government level for helping the tourism industry in Manitoba. [Note to Nancy: do you have any idea why this is?] I'm not sure why but who knows?.. maybe I can solicit a grant or something to help do tourism pieces and promote Manitoba and Brandon. [Oh and just so you know, Nancy, I've not great on the idea of going for grants. I'd prefer the non-interference of raising the capital myself but if it's out there.. we may as well check into it.] The main thing being, we can TRAVEL anywhere and have the animals be tourists of a sort. AND, what _I_ like is we have a little more interaction that a damn slide show.. the creatures having an adventure there or being given a real tour or something. And we make it KID-palatable, so kids will want to drag their parents to visit this place. 2. The characters can be reporters or writers or just curious animals who go to different places and do different things. I can ask ANYONE with a business or topic or hobby to allow the animal to visit them. I can take pictures of the animal visiting them. Again, I can make it KID-palatable and have a positive spin on it, the way I want to do those BestViewed articles on local businesses, artists, experts, volunteer agencies. I mentioned BestViewed Web site last night. The idea was to write stories to promote these people and to write the story/article from the same point of view the OWNER would want to give to it. I don't WANT to do reviews of restaurants. Leave that to critics. I want to PROMOTE business ergo helping to promote my OWN, hopefully. Dave keeps talking about asking people for money to do this. I agree. But initially, I have to WRITE a bunch of articles for other potential customers to see. It adds content to any site, including this one, allows me to practice reporting and being a journalist of sorts and to take digital pictures, too. I think that's an interesting way to engage the help of other people. And it serves as an informational kind of thing instead of hard-core "buy this, visit this place, do this." 3. I was in Walmart talking to a friend of a friend of Dave's. I don't know if she would help me but I got this idea standing talking to her in the toy department where she works part-time. Have a kid "review of toys" site on Elophant.. say... What I thought was, we approach Walmart, cos they're big and ask them to allow us to promote this idea with them being the main store for buying kids' toys (which wouldn't be hard). We get this lady or another salesperson to hand out a coupon or flyer or something (maybe even Walmart will throw in a discount if they SUBMIT a review - not UNTIL then) to ask people who are considering buying toys or will be buying toys to rate them for the Christmas rush and submit reviews to our web site. Actually, we don't have to stick with Walmart but I figure go to them FIRST cos if they catch wind of it they may simply try to copy us. They may try to copy us ANYWAY.. but if we position it as 'help promote this Brandon area web site idea".. they may help us out. 8. People like teddy bears. They are big business. I have also seen runs on prehistoric animals, fish, owls, cows, etc. You name it, there's a person with a hundred of them. I saw a computer geek who finished UNIVERSITY at 18. [Brian Enns!!] He started when he was 14 and apparently skipped high school. A brain, obviously. He is into COWS. He had a website on them. Laugh. Simply a case in point. MY thought is go elephant. I would LOVE the idea of having a European tie-in on this concept. We could get kids involved with kids in other countries too. I think that is what the Internet should be about. So, okay, we'd start by writing to each other about our ELEPHANTS. Laugh. It might be fun. Actually, I've overlooked the kids in other countries angle. I think THAT would be excellent. I STILL personally don't feel we ... know enough.. about what goes on in other countries.. simply our own.. which is kinda nuts, yanno? 9. And of course, there's merchandising. If this catches on in any way, we get locals... possibly to create elephants for us. And maybe elephant accessories. Laugh. Am I nuts or what? This elephant I have is a Gund, I think. But actually, we could always DRAW the animals. It's just Dave has this whole wack of beanies that we could use to photograph around town in stories about different animals. But I still remember talking to a woman at The General Store in the Brandon Mall. People are CRAZY for beanies. Perhaps, we can come up with a merchandising angle for this. Of course, THEN we'd have to get an original elephant. We couldn't make money off the elephant I have, it's someone elses. By the same token, there's nothing wrong with telling the local stores to simply buy elephants - stuffed or whatever.. and we could promote ELEPHANTS. laugh. Til we get our OWN toy. Why not, eh? Look at Star Wars. laugh. And THAT, we could sell over the internet. Hmm.. there ya go.. element two.. selling a product.. Thanks for reading Heather From ???@??? Mon Jan 24 10:46:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 14286 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 14:54:35 -0000 Received: from cythera.ic.gc.ca (198.103.246.205) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 14:54:35 -0000 Received: (from major@localhost) by cythera.ic.gc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10012 for scp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca Message-Id: <200001241423.JAA10012@cythera.ic.gc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: cythera.ic.gc.ca: major set sender to owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca using -f Subject: Smart Communities Resource Exchange News Sender: owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca Precedence: bulk SMART COMMUNITIES RESOURCE EXCHANGE NEWS BULLETIN January 2000 The Smart Communities Resource Exchange News Bulletin provides timely information on the Smart Communities Program and upcoming Smart Community events. 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If you would like to unsubscribe to this service, send an email to majordom@cythera.ic.gc.ca with: unsubscribe to scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca in the text or visit http://smartcommunities.ic.gc.ca/unsubscribe_e.asp. From ???@??? Fri Nov 19 20:41:18 1999 To: paul bellows From: Heather Subject: Looking for clues....and you'll understand why when you read an idea... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991119100053.00813c80@pop.telusplanet.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19991118185511.00933ec0@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.3.32.19991103134313.00805710@pop.telusplanet.net> <3.0.5.32.19991103141638.00925ca0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Hi Paul.. Sorry not to get back to you sooner. The day took a strange turn. I got a little pissed and then someone invited me out for a break. I took it. Smile. More to your original reply.. and thanks for taking the time to do so..I've been having a bit of a hard time getting background information out of my small circle of influence these days. I know where I'm going on all this but like a method actor.. I want to immerse myself in this culture before I start creating the character.. or Web site.. smile. Oh and while I think of it, what do you think of this idea: The Brandon Folk, Music and Art Festival has a board of directors and a selection committee who chose what acts will get booked at the festival. Based on the assumption that they choose based on talent.. (ie. it has nothing to do with how much a band gets paid) everyone is on equal footing. How about a Web site where all candidates for a festival (any music festival) enter their tapes or MP3s, is what I'm thinking on a Web site and the populace comes to the Web site.. listens to these entries and votes on who will play at the festival. It increases the sense of participation of the audience, the audience gets the acts IT wants to listen to and EVERYONE gets to hear from the entrants. Tell me what you think? I just found out that the Brandon Folk Festival is made up of so many people. That small (older) group of people pick who _I_ listen to at a festival. Hmmm... I wonder if an idea like this could improve traffic to any venue. For all of that.. EACH VENUE could have you on a Web site under their scheduled listing and people could come to listen to you.. way ahead of the venue. This would get people focusing on the venue as much as the artist. >Questions about how to book a show? Well in Canada, scrounging might be a >better word than booking. Is the industry in Canada any 'better' (open-ended word there) than it was a few years ago? I'm from Toronto. How does Toronto compare to other major cities? Someone suggested Winnipeg was a bit 'corrupt'.. her word, not mine. I'm kinda getting that impression about 'scrounging for a gig.' What makes you continue? Do you set a timeline on how long you try setting up for tours and then say.. okay.. let's do the factory job for three months. Laugh.. Course I notice you have the yellowpencil.com, so I presume you have art to fall back on. That's a good combination. >There are some great venues and festivals here, but events like your monday night shows where there is a guarantee are rare. REALLY? Wow. So you would think that Donna and Nancy would have little trouble filling up the roster. Or is the problem that.. yeah.. it pays a guaranteed salary.. but still.. not very much. This subject is all very new to me. If you wanna even offer some suggestions on places I could go to bone up on this industry let me know. I don't wish to drive you nuts with questions. Actually, interestingly, it's rather timely of you to be responding to my need for info. I've been getting a little frustrated lately with the small circle I've been dealing with for information. These people have been rather busy just lately. Life happens. It's understandable. But what gets me is I think I have a good idea or two here. I'd LIKE an opportunity to develop them. But I want some industry input as well so I don't create a useless Web site, yanno? I realize a lot of programming types (which I'm not, by the way. I'm more the information architect at Armchair.. Richard and Dave create the applications.. I come up with the concepts) might create a Web site on a subject without consulting the experts. I can't see doing it that way. So I'm TRYING to approach people who are involved in the industry so I can figure out what to put on a music related Web site. >Brandon is fortunate to have people getting involved to put on music. Would you care to relate some of your experiences of Brandon? >Edmonton has some great shows, and I have kind of evolved a tour >list with some other musicians. Do you ever doubled up with other tours who may be travelling in the same direction as you? I don't mean playing the same gigs. I just mean saving on gas money as you travel. Tell me about Edmonton. What could you compare it to relative to Toronto or Brandon. I'm familiar with those towns. >Then I begin to fill in the blanks. Does that get hard sometimes? Do you sometimes go back and reschedule dates when too much territory needs to be covered but you don't have venues to cover your expenses? It must be kinda fiddly. And then.. you probably have two or three days periods when you are performing steadily and you don't have time enough to sleep. Have you ever done a gig where you were so tired, you couldn't keep your eyes open? >In terms of what questions I ask, it varies. I ask for as much money as I >can get, because usually the next gig will be break even or less. Does the venue tend to have a standard fee they offer of any kind? Some kind of rating system based on their 'view' of the caliber of a band or something? Or is it a straight popularity contest at any given time. Oy.. that must be frustrating. Do you have to spend days on the phone setting all this up? Then there's the cost of long distance phone calls to add to your costs. Do you talk to the owner or is there generally some person who specfically books the bands? >As a solo performer coming in from out of town, I begin at $200, unless I >think that the venue has a higher budget. That covers my gas, the postage >on posters, my time to perform, and pays my rent when I get home. Speaking of posters, I just talked to someone in the music business here in Brandon. He mentioned an interesting point: The out-of-town bands need their posters posted. I know for a fact that Over the Moon doesn't seem to do much in the way of posting posters around town. (local OR out-of-town bands actually) At least this is what I've observed. Do you encounter this problem in a lot of towns? That never really occured to me. Again, coming from Toronto, I saw all kinds of posters for all kinds of venues. But it never really occured to me that the posters might generally be for local acts.. as the local acts post the posters, themselves. Whereas, an out-of-town music group.. a new, young or small one on a limited budget.. will have no one posting posters around town for them. Hey.. wouldn't that be a good business.. don't you think? Or something... Don't mind me.. I'm just thinking aloud. But to the that issue.. it kinda sucks if a place like Over the Moon is gonna have you but perhaps are only advertising you on the wall in their restaurant. How does someone who doesn't generally GO to Over the Moon find out about you? Using Over the Moon as the example, I don't know for sure WHERE all they advertise these weekly gigs. It just makes me wonder.. is all. Again, coming from a large town.. maybe it's done differently in a small town. I dunno. I'm just thinking that if I was depending on posters to find out about you being here.. I ain't seen many. Hmm... At least there may be one at Timothy Beans. Smile. Just a thought. Sorry to bring your real life situation into the mix. But as you see, I'm working for ideas for musicians.. and the music industry.. Are you familiar with a new Web site called mambo.com? I was having trouble getting through on the Internet the other day but I ran across this site. It's sound rather interesting (though I've yet to check it out) But they are suggesting in the main page that this is a site for event planning. I wonder if it would be of any use to you or any other artists. Take a look at it and give me your thoughts on it, if you get a chance. >However, in a situation like Brandon I am driving to a show in Minneapolis, >and if I don't find something in between to cover gas, then I lose money in >Minneapolis. And I guess you lose a bit of money on exchange as well. How do you make out in that area? Or does it simply depend on how much you were being paid at any particular venue. Brandon being so close to the border, do you feel that encourages (or COULD encourage) more cross border playing on the part of local Brandon bands. Do you have any situations similar to Winnipeg and Brandon where a larger city is two hours from a smaller city like we have here and you end up doing venues in BOTH places? Do you find if you have a gig in Winnipeg (or similarly distance city) that people from two hours away will come to see your gig? Or is there a better chance that if you go to Brandon as well, that you'll do twice as well? How does having two towns so close to one another affect the quantity (and/or quality) of venues in each town. Is Winnipeg pulling the stuffing out of Brandon, for example? Suggest some other towns, if you've experienced this. >Besides, I think it'll be a great show, and ultimately that's the reason to perform (although paying rent would be nice too). I was talking to a fella today who says he's been in the business for years and he's still one of those ones who would work for free as it's the PLAYING that's important. Yet, he has friends who are the same age as him who say.. "nah.. I'll only work if you pay me." I got into a conversation with Nancy McLennan over this. She books some of the artists at Twoonies. She is adamant that people get paid. I understand this attitude completely. But what about the up-and-coming player who will continually say... "no.. I wanna play. I'll work for free if I have to just so I can play.." How and when do you draw the line on this thinking? I know someone suggested the same thing to Ainsley Friesen once when Ainsley was saying she'd work for free or for less or whatever. But I can understand artists wanting to play.. whatever it takes.. they don't care. WHERE do you draw the line? >I always ask for a certain level of production (p.a., etc) so that the >performance is effective, What equipment do you carry with you and what equipment do you depend on the venue for? What happens when a venue piece of equipment ISN'T up to snuff? What do you do? I'm talking about these smaller venues. The local Suds pub on campus has problems with one group taking cables that the next group would need. What's a management type to do about this? How do you keep track of equipment in a venue? Or is that maybe the problem? There ISN'T anyone to keep track generally and an act like yourself coming in has to hope for the best. What's the strangest audio equipment problem you've ever had? >and I expect that food and accomodation will be thrown into the mix. Do the majority of venues in a tour cover this cost? What the devil do you do when they don't? >If you have specific questions, please let me know. As you see, I'm starting to think of some. But it's helped having you mention things as .. I'm not really even too sure where to start. This is all new to me. I've never recorded an album. I have no idea what it must be like to tour as a young, relatively new performer. It must be frustrating at times. Yet, at times, it must be the most exhilarating thing you could possibly think to do. I sing so I understand the singing element in this. What's YOUR feeling on crowds? How does an audience affect (or not affect) your performance? >I'm glad I remind you of Lisa Loeb, she's one of my personal faves. Cool. I'm into all varieties of music or have been in the past. But I always tend towards singers, I guess cos I'm a singer and can appreciate what you go through to create a sound that you enjoy singing. How long did you say you'd been doing all this? I mean the touring and such. Do you go in phases as when you tour? Or do you set out so many months of the year to tour? Damn.. suddenly, I wish I hadn't given that CD away. Smile. But I listened to it and I simply thought perhaps they might play the CD at Timothy Beans. Timothy Beans doesn't SEEM to book acts just yet.. though maybe this one will at some point, I dunno. >See you at Over the Moon? I think so. Smile. I live OVER Over the Moon. Smile. It's a really nice restaurant. I wish they could get more business in there but I think they are working on it. Thanks. Heather From ???@??? Sun Oct 31 14:48:56 1999 To: Richard From: Heather Subject: Deliverables for October 99 Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Deliverables/costs for October 99 --------------------------------- 1. creatist.com Web site - structure and content expansion Phase two development - "Homepage" site for creatist - Structure and content created. http://www.creatist.com Cost: $250.00 - phase two development ----------------------------------------------- 2. Twoonies - site model - Further content development Twoonies, originally a model for a "music" venue listing /artist database site, is being used as a content model for Aldwyn - an all-venue posting site. (Dave is working on this application) The components developed in Twoonies will be offered as a structured package to venues and artists who wish to post their own content on Aldwyn. The current components of the site are: a. PhotoJam - pictures of the event b. 'Liner Notes - commentary/review/CD marketing of venue c. Venue tour - Information/picture tour of venue site d. Event specials - promote new or non-standard events or specials (ie. Thursday night dinnershow, Halloween party and a new weekly Latino Nite) e.Venue Schedule - day, date time of venue with links to artist information - called ArtistFacts - I've been networking with artists to provide content for this component. The content for the site was weekly updated. Potential venues and artists were made aware of the Aldwyn and Twoonie's sites. http://www.creatist.com/twoonies Cost: $250.00 - content model development ---------------------------------------------- 3. Pet Biscuits Web site - Humour and pets Web site Complete site development - One page pet picture with humourous caption. Submissions from pet owners are encouraged. Creatist.com traffic building site. Potential ad revenue from pet-related business and taking pictures of pets for pet owners. Seeking pet expert content submissions as well. http://www.creatist.com/PetBiscuits Cost: $150.00 - complete site development ---------------------------------------------- 4. VolunteerBase - canvassing and site content Created web brochure for 'help grow a people.' Canvassed volunteer organizations to register for VolunteerBase (only one registrant so far) Last Friday, began to include other businesses, people and potential volunteers who may help to encourage action from volunteer agencies. Will continue to revisit volunteer agencies and businesses til more activity occurs on VolunteerBase. Web brochure: http://www.creatist.com/VolunteerBase/helpGrowAPeople1.html Web brochure - $150.00 Time spent canvassing - $250.00 Cost: $400.00 - VolunteerBase creative and marketing ----------------------------------------------------- 5. Creatist.com - networking for Web site and content submissions Spent time networking with individuals and businesses to build awareness of creatist.com Web site and discussed ideas for further potential Web sites to be built and content developed or submitted from these people. Currently in progress. Output intangible. Cost: $250.00 - networking for creatist.com and new Web site development ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total cost for Oct. 99 - $1300.00 From ???@??? Thu Jan 06 12:28:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 26264 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from spudboy.armchair.mb.ca (HELO spudboy) (198.163.115.61) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 18:27:46 -0000 From: "Richard Whidden" To: Subject: ftp Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:27:47 -0600 Message-ID: <000101bf5873$baed2410$3d73a3c6@armchair.mb.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 http://shareware.cnet.com/shareware/0-13628-500-1166235.html?tag=st.sw.16165 _501_1.lst.titledetail From ???@??? Sat Jan 15 20:49:04 2000 To: Sean From: Heather Subject: Heya Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Here's an idea. I got it from looking at a combination of things: http://pol.mclink.it/heroes/mdl/ - Marvel comics fan fiction sites with 'new' text stories based on the personae of the comic character http://www.darkitexture.co.uk/clinic/episode2.htm - a Story web site with short, well written quirky stories about the length of a song or music video. - A Sarah Brightman forum where they talk about Sara and how she should lead her career.. as if they owned her - finding it hard to get musicians to give me blurbs and bios for their REAL bands - people in restaurants who come to eat.. not applaud the musician who is performing (Why would a musician want to PLAY for a bunch like that in the first place, would be my thought) - reading about some guy who is paying young girls to be filmed 24 hours a day and this film will be broadcast on the web for others (panting weasel males, I suppose) to watch it - playing around with Sound Forge and knowing we have quite a number of musicians and sound recording types here at Armchair (or related to Armchair) - us guys as writers from wherever we are based.... - us guys as photographers... - us guys as artists... Idea: Create a fictitious Web site of musicians. Just like an MP3.com or some record company with a stable of artists. We could even interspere it with real musicians as well but the idea is to create "perfect" personaes - with the sound.. the look.. the hype.. the MP3s... and have online 'concerts.' No one need ever tour again. Oh.. and the thing is.. we TELL people this. I'm not talking about lipsynching Milli Vanilli.. I talking about 'creating exactly what people want' .. musicians, personas and music to SUIT what they seek.. in their segmented weasel ways. We could create a Whitney Houston or a Frank Zappa persona.. And fill it up with 'character' from our tiny little minds. I mean, hell, I look at all those musicians on the MP3s sites. For all I know.. they could be fake, yanno? All you, as a segmented weasel WANT, is a sound, a look, a persona that you are comfortable listening to. We already know a lot of people can't be bothered to go to a concert. So fine, we'll bring the concert to THEM. And we could create merchandise to sell in addition to MP3s or whatever. Lord, look at this Pokemon cartoon. You could write reviews on the artists. You could create entire STORIES or travelogues or whatever on the artists, for that matter. Anyone could. We could get other people contributing to this 'fictitous' site. It's like, they may be an artist who doesn't have 'the look,' as it were. But they have a FRIEND who is. The friend could be the face and THEY could be the musician. Or divide that up any way one wants. You could have FIVE people making up 'this musician.' It also allows regular artists a chance to experiment with other sounds or music they might not normally try. (we could build a database of people who are interested in collaborating with one another this way and they could use the database to access one another. I was talking the other day to some guy in Romanian or something who does all the music production, creation, etc... cos he can't find a compatible local musician to collaborate with. In fact, I wonder if THAT would be an idea to create a web site of: a database for segmented weasel music collaborations. One person sends the other their track of drum or bass or vocal or whatever and they could create an MP3 of it. Here's the guy's site. ----------------------------------- Hi! If anybody is interested in some good independent music, please visit my site at http://listen.to/Calin Enjoy :-) --------------------------------------- A punk rocker could do opera. They could expand their repertoire into areas they wouldn't normally try. As _you_ ALSO well know, that's always been a big problem in the past for regular musicians cos people want to pigeonhole them into only ONE sound. Yanno? So if what I'm hearing from Keith Roger is true.. if people want to listen to music on a listening applicance versus listening to and applauding him in SUDs. (I was there.. that's what happened)... We GIVE it to them... We could take photos of either REAL people who are willing to be the "face".. we could get good musicians who want to play this Walt Disney movie role and be the sound behind the face.. or we COULD just do a number of photorealistic drawings of composition faces to create our own little Pokemon world. Look at a CD cover art. That's a burgeoning industry with all these Indie artists out there now. The main thing is: _we_ could do this.. now.. we don't have to fiddle getting other people or musicians interested. And even those who did might find it interesting to have a web page of their MPs for say, "Murray Evans"... then ANOTHER three web pages.. for three different musician personas.. perhaps other styles of music that Murray has never tried.. for example. We could experiment with this.. seeing which personas catch on with the general public and dropping them or modifying them to suit our listeners, and readers (we could have a poll or vote-in section on 'what do you want different about this musician?'). We could create fan fiction with these musicians.. unlike what you could NORMALLY do with Whitney Houston, say.. cos.. well, Whitney Houston is REAL. On a regular MP3 site, there is an MP3, a short bio, maybe some comments from the musicians. On THIS site, we could add an assortment of content. (George Straitbuckle cooks for you.. on the stage and in the Looouisana kitchen. We could tie this in to any number of subjects.) Lemme know what you think. H From ???@??? Wed Jan 05 11:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 31758 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 17:30:16 -0000 Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (209.161.0.35) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 17:30:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2496 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 10:22:50 -0700 Received: from ts7-03.phx.cyberhighway.net (HELO 8) (209.151.37.74) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 10:22:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000105101216.0079d6c0@cyberhighway.net> X-Sender: mailhost@cyberhighway.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:12:16 -0700 To: zebra@cyberhighway.net From: Steve V Subject: Jan Musicians Tip Sheet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Musicians Tip Sheet January 2000 Welcome to the January issue of the Musicians Tip Sheet. 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Fri Dec 17 17:40:02 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16815 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1999 20:42:31 -0000 Received: from mars.assiniboinec.mb.ca (root@209.202.2.10) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 17 Dec 1999 20:42:31 -0000 Received: from mail1.assiniboinec.mb.ca (mail1.AssiniboineC.MB.CA [209.202.2.7]) by mars.assiniboinec.mb.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00408 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:17:22 -0600 From: ThompsoL@assiniboinec.mb.ca Message-Id: <199912141917.NAA00408@mars.assiniboinec.mb.ca> Received: from SUN/SpoolDir by mail1.assiniboinec.mb.ca (Mercury 1.44); 14 Dec 99 13:17:38 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by SUN (Mercury 1.44); 14 Dec 99 13:17:01 -0600 Organization: Assiniboine Community College To: Heather Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:16:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: You out there? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19991211150744.00927500@mail.creatist.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Hi, it's me. sorry I haven't spoke to you since last time. Handed in a 55 page paper on International Marketing last thursday (got an A by the way!) and a business plan on friday (Holy cow, do I NOT wnat to go into business for myself---I was too stressed doing a BP for school...couldn't put my life on the line for it). Just finished an exam this morning, a test on Friday...the list continues... so don't be offended...I'm not ignoring you. I'll be phoning my Mum for the first time in a month too.... I used to know several mucians, as I used to be in on the Band scene in high school. But that was a few years ago, and my taste has changed somewhat. i'm not so loud anymore. Sarah Hajes lives in Wpg- she is very Sarah Maclaughlin-like. Excellent singing voice and guitar skills. She used to play the folk festival and coffeehouse circuit when she was here. Her parents still live here, so she's back every now and again. Has had plenty of experience in the musical theatre too. Gabe Roderiguez of Starline Tragedy- they play the bars- they are an alternative-type band. They have one CD already. I think you can find it at CD plus, beside Kelsey's restaurant. Gabe alone has 12 years experience playing drums. Chuck Ingram- lives with Gabe- fantastic singing voice...lead singer quality. Can't play any instruments though. He doesn't have a band... which is how he prefers to perform. Is probably willing to hook up with a group. Hasn't sung in a few years though, not since his band The Savants broke up and became The Perms (a horrible, horrible band- don't waste a second on them...talentless bunch of gits... terrible stage presence too). My best friend Mon lives in WPG. She is learning to play the guitar and can write songs like a pro. Eric Stiwich is in this band here in town that I can't remeber the name of. (big help, eh?) The band's name is comprised of three men's names. They played at the Double Decker on Nov 12th, or there abouts. Just ask Kevin when the social was at middle of nOVEMBER WAS, AND YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THEIR NAME. opps, sorry, I keep pressing the caps button. They are kind of alternative too; they have a sound similar to Oasis. Eric works as a teacher's aid at The high school in Forrest. Mangy Coyote are a celtic band, from Brandon. I don't know if they have a CD yet, although I do know they are on a hiatus while one member is in Mexico or Austrailia ( I think it's Cory Ticknor). They are one of my favourite bands. They also have fantastic stories to tell, and they also have other cultural flairs in their music. They wite thier own music, as well a doing covers. Kevin Smith at the Decker will know more about them... they used to play there several times a year. Try calling the BU music department(BUMS are BU mUsic Students). You'll find out about all sorts of people doing different genres of music. Or go to any of their functions. The same people are there all the time. You'll meet Donna Lowe, Sean McManus, Kyle McManus, maybe Vincent Barletta... Also try Crocus or Vincent Massey's music departments. There are some very talented teenagers. When I went to Crocus, our bands werwinning awards left and right. There has since been a change in band directors, so I don't know how good they are now. But when I was in Jazz and Concert Band and all that, we kept getting invited to competitions. We went to Minneapolis, and while there, some guy form England liked what he heard, and invited us to play at the new year's parade in London, Eng. I had graduated by the time they went, and didn't get to go...pout. Yes, I guess I am bragging. Sorry... just reliving the good ol' days when school was fun... If you want phone numbers for any of these groups, let me know. Just thought of one more. They played at Pickle Fest, or were supposed to if it hadn't rained. Can't think of their name just now, but it'll come to me. I think they have a cd, I know they have a demo. Also try Dale Lakevold, or Kerry Campbell... I know Kerry (a male Kerry, by the way, just so you know) can be reached through On!Brandon Magazine. Try Dale there too. They will know a little more, or different people to talk too. There's also a couple of guys in my class who are into heavy metal. Neither are in a band, but they are very good gutarists and singers. If I think of more people, I'll drop you a line. I hope this was what you had in mind. I won't be around for the next while... finally Christmas holidays... I havent had a holiday since the early spring. I've had to work most weekends at school, and work sometimes too. I have a feeling I will be bored. Nothing to do, no school work, no work in general. Will be spending more time at teh animal shelter though...love those dogs!!!!!!! Have a merry christmas Heather... I assume you'll go home to Ontario for a few days? Lara From ???@??? Wed Jun 09 23:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2473 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1999 00:29:28 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd118.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.182) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 00:29:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 89726 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 1999 00:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990610002847.89725.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.145.207.50 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:28:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.145.207.50] From: Tocca Meyers To: teen-poets@cybernetik.net Cc: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Re: [teen-poets] My Love Story on Screen Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:28:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A response-draft, tentatively titled: Relating Once, I was a bee. Picked for _The_Honkybird_, (& an agent of the same) I buzzed around yelling, telling others that they'd done it -- and that it was WRONG. But now, I am an old bird -- not of the Honky kind; I have evolved beyond any script, know there are no happy endings. The End came to my pov of absolutes in rights and wrongs, thankfully, years ago -- and today, I live in rosy shades-of-grey: I have learned, with time, peace, and all things good, that though love isn't always forever, isn't always enough, the vibrations of our breaths are. That our influence is -- long after we are not. That like ripples in a cow pond, a butterfly's flutter in China, we affect infinity infinitively: We are fragile things but (as the cliché goes) all that glisters is not gold; all that is fragile does not break. >From: Flutrbye82@aol.com >Reply-To: teen-poets@cybernetik.net >To: teen-poets@cybernetik.net >Subject: [teen-poets] My Love Story on Screen >Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:28:23 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-teen-poets@cybernetik.net Sun Jun 06 18:28:28 1999 >Received: from [209.98.8.5] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id >MHotMailB9246B390196D1B98325D1620805A30F0; Sun Jun 06 18:28:28 1999 >Received: from cyber.cybernetik.net (daemon@cyber.cybernetik.net >[209.98.67.49]) by citycenter.citilink.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with ESMTP id >UAA25486; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:29:36 -0500 (CDT) >Posted-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:29:36 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by cyber.cybernetik.net >(8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29712;Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:28:00 -0500 >Received: by cyber.cybernetik.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 >20:27:59 -0500 >Received: (from majordomo@localhost)by cyber.cybernetik.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) >id UAA29699for teen-poets-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:27:42 -0500 >Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6])by >cyber.cybernetik.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29693for >; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:27:29 -0500 >Received: from Flutrbye82@aol.com (3929)by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id >oGXYa26754 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:28:23 -0400 >(EDT) >Message-ID: <12da339e.248c7a37@aol.com> >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 >Sender: owner-teen-poets@cybernetik.net > >My Love Story On Screen > >While watching the movie of myself >I often find myself trying- >to fastforward the scenes I played > with him. > >If only I knew then, >that he was only acting, >while I was living. > >The only solution to fix this take, >is to record over him. >Only, that button doesn't work. > >Can I rewrite the script? >Do I want to? >Maybe we'd finally have >a fairy tale ending. >Riding into the horizon, >on a pure white horse, >sealing our story with a kiss. > >Too bad "Happily Ever After"s don't exist, >that trend won't come back, >and neither will he. > >Maybe it is time to roll the credits >and put this sappy flick >back on the shelf. >It would fit right in >with all the others. > >It is time to start rolling >a new film. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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Fri Jul 09 11:38:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 7218 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:48:39 -0000 Received: from baleen.armchair.mb.ca (198.163.115.5) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:48:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 10519 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from onramp.armchair.mb.ca (alias@198.163.115.1) by baleen.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7193 invoked by alias); 9 Jul 1999 12:48:23 -0000 Delivered-To: intolerant-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 7170 invoked by uid 505); 9 Jul 1999 12:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7131 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:47:48 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd93.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.157) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 53520 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709124720.53519.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:47:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.49] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Subject: [Intolerant] I scratched a bit more Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:47:17 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Did some thinking today. I realise I'd forgotten how it is to live by myself ever since I've helped myself to being beside you with you within you. I get scared watching the morning sun tap gently at my window; I walk the streets like a kitten scampering a ghost lost a petrified man. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Jul 09 11:38:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 7422 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:50:28 -0000 Received: from baleen.armchair.mb.ca (198.163.115.5) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:50:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11049 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:50:23 -0000 Received: from onramp.armchair.mb.ca (alias@198.163.115.1) by baleen.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:50:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 7381 invoked by alias); 9 Jul 1999 12:50:13 -0000 Delivered-To: intolerant-outgoing@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 7340 invoked by uid 505); 9 Jul 1999 12:49:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7298 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:49:30 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd65.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.129) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:49:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 91420 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709124902.91419.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:49:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.49] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Subject: [Intolerant] Of styles and stylists Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:49:00 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: intolerant@armchair.mb.ca Found this poem that has a striking similarity to your style: Zita Maria Evensen she sat next to me in church -- she in stiff linen suit and gloves and summer hat of silk violets i with freshly ironed t-shirt and blue jeans we sat a world away until we had to do the kiss of peace. she shook my hand and said: peace be with you and stopped looked at the scratches on my arms raised an eyebrow and asked: cats? i smiled: no, roses. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Aug 28 15:23:12 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 32442 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 13:30:44 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd104.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.168) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 13:30:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 83265 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 1999 13:30:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19990828133016.83264.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:30:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.48] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: try this Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:30:16 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed site http://perso.club-internet.fr/paumierj/ Is this what you're planning to set up? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Aug 30 11:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 30739 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 08:08:13 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd124.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.188) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 08:08:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 34096 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 1999 08:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990830080745.34095.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.116.11.118 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:07:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.116.11.118] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Re: Elophant Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:07:43 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I call him Elliot O. Phant. Not Snuffalfagus? I like the idea thus far though. >Thanks. I really appreciate having someone to talk to this way. You are a >good friend, ya know? I just looked behind me just to make sure you're not talking about someone else. Snort. >Dave said to incorporate two elements to any site I build. Build something >that will draw traffic, ergo draw advertisers From your description so far, this is more realistic. There are so many things free off the Net so why pay? >But here are a few places where I am gonna grab my synthesis of an >idea from: >1. A t.v. show about a real-life dog who talks aloud. Or a dog who likes to daydream and when he's roused from sleep he has to do something that requires him to act something akin to his daydream. This would be good in Shockwave. Perhaps there could be options to choice, differences in the storyline depending on the choice, but with the same ending. I'm sold on this idea. >2. A t.v. show with two guys.. real brothers, I think; There is this Discovery show called "Next Step" which featured two guys talking about cience and technology but at a pace that can be enjoyed by kids. >3. I know there's also Ben Nye, the science guy and there was another >science show too. Newton's Apple comes to mind. >4. Remember the Young Indiana Jones series with the two different aged >Indiana Jones? Another excellent idea. Throw in alternate reality or something that sounds so real (a bit like X-Files) you just want to believe in it although there's no way it can be true. >5. Well, there's always the H.G. Wells classic, The Time Machine. That can be linked with #4. >6. Curious George. Do you remember him? I have to admit I've never heard of this. George Costanza perhaps? Laugh, >8. People are into taking care of animals. Logistics will have to be well-planned. >(I saw a book with "Radar" - Garry Burgoff (sp) from M.A.S.H. who was on >cover about animal care. Remember how Radar was into animals? I think he was a thing for teddy bears. >1. Travel > >There's a big push on at the government level for helping the tourism >industry in Manitoba. I'm not sure why but who knows?.. maybe I can solicit >a grant or something to help do tourism pieces and promote Manitoba and >Brandon. Exactly what I was thinking as you wrote this. You can look at The Lonely Planet for ideas. I can't remember the URL but just do a search on "lonely planet" and you'll find it. >I don't WANT to do reviews of restaurants. Leave that to critics. I want to >PROMOTE business ergo helping to promote my OWN, hopefully. Dave keeps >talking about asking people for money to do this. I agree. But initially, I >have to WRITE a bunch of articles for other potential >customers to see. It add content to any site, including this one, allows me >to practice reporting and being a journalist of sorts and to take digital >pictures, too. Do what you love, the money will follow, they say. Very good. You need credibility. Once this is built, some companies will even search you out and request to be featured. >3. [Walmart] Another excellent idea. >So, okay, we'd start by writing to each other about our ELEPHANTS. Laugh. >It might be fun. What do you think? Laugh. Excellent ideas. >Actually, I've overlooked the kids in other countries angle. Start small and then expand. Cultures are different as well. >9. And of course, there's merchandising. If this catches on in any way, we >get locals... possibly to create elephants for us. And maybe elephant >accessories. Laugh. Am I nuts or what? You need a good elephant caricature or cartoon image for a start. >I would imagine I might even be breaking some law by using him in a >picture. Yes you would. Hope I have been of help. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Aug 30 11:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 32235 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 11:13:02 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd74.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.138) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 11:13:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70188 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 1999 11:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990830111224.70187.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.33 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:12:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.33] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: portal Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:12:24 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://www.ALFY.com/ may five you some ideas. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 22 08:15:07 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 19801 invoked from network); 21 Oct 1999 03:14:22 -0000 Received: from law-f177.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.240) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 21 Oct 1999 03:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 7137 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 1999 03:13:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991021031354.7136.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.116.11.118 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:13:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.116.11.118] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Re: Do me a favour Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:13:53 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~scissors Hilarious! Here's what i can remember. Takeshi's Castle - http://cgi.tbs.co.jp/catalog/vr/vr06.html About a hundred men and women compete together in strange games. Players are slowly eliminated until a handful are left before the final game is played. Some games I remember: a. Walking along a wooden beam about 10 - 15 feet high, catch a ball fired from a cannon before proceeding to walk. The fun starts when more balls are fired from a cannon and the player has to dodge it. b. Enter a maze with lots of doors with people chasing after the contestant. Since the maze has a moat, a lot of doors will lead to contestants getting an unplanned swim. The game reaches a frenzied excitement when one or more in the chasing pack closes in on the contestant and doors are opened and closed at a furious pace. Who Dares Wins - http://www.whodareswins.com.au Aussie game show where ordinary people are given a dare and if they win, they get cash prizes. Some odd dares: 1. Drinking a tall mug filled with the contents of one emu egg - equivalent to 12 eggs 2. A female contestant is given a towel sized just large enough to barely cover her and she is asked to remove her blouse and skirt and put on a T-shirt and short without exposing herself. This was done inside a mall in full view of all passers-by. 3. Slightly the same for men where are given a small face towel and they have to remove their trousers and underwear and put on boxers. This was done along a sidewalk. 4. A man on a date with his girlfriend was dared to do a strip-o-gram for a (what's the female version of a stag party?) party. The message was kept inside his thongs and his girlfriend watched the proceedings from another room. 5. A man also on a date was given the full works - make-up, dress, wig, to join other drag queens performing on stage at a club. I'll try to come up with more and other ideas. I've started work with my homepage using Web Weaver. it makes everything so simple. I'll tell you when it's up. Take care. Jeff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 10 04:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 976 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 08:49:23 -0000 Received: from law-f218.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.128) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 08:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 94734 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2000 08:46:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000110084651.94733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.116.11.118 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:46:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [203.116.11.118] From: "Victor Laszlo" To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Re: Maybe some ideas in here? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:46:51 SGT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A portal is a gateway for entering the internet, e.g., yahoo.com is a portal, so is MSN for Microsoft. For mobile phones, there is a gateway that links the mobile phone network with the internet. That's the part I'm working on. Some command entered on the mobile phone is sent to the gateway. The gateway interfaces with the portal to gather info. The gateway then convert HTML/XML into WML format (wireless mobile language). In effect, you can see web pages (simplified) on the mobile phone. But I'm not so sure now with the developments today. They've asked me to go to South Korea for some business whose details I don't even know right now (it's a holiday today so not much info). I seem to be in a habit to dropping sentences midway, eh? It must be the age thing, laugh! I think what I was trying to say earlier was that we should have gone in with Rhapsodia, an application that acts as a gateway. Our customer has not been happy at all with Nokia. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 18:50:13 2000 To: ryan@ngpmusic.com, ken@bookfiles.com, revmario@netrox.net From: Heather Subject: Okay.. noodling with some thoughts Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Hi guys.. I'm still noodling with this music industry and what we might try as an alternative kind of Web site. Mario, meet Ken and Ryan and vice versa. All three of you are professional musicians in some capacity. All three of you are very computer literate and are also into more than JUST creating music. You all wear many production hats. I'm simply looking for your opinions. What is your current view on the reaction of the record companies/big labels to the following idea? A little preamble... Does the current music industry business model work? Does it work for ENOUGH people, is the real question. Couldn't it be made to WORK for more people who are willing to work to make a living at it? In YOUR current view, COULD record labels/big music industry companies EVER be convinced.. to change this model.. this model where they make tons of money off one or two artists? Let's say I set a figure. Say a million dollars. I say this to the music industry barons.. I say.. this is how much you can make.. Would you be willing to make it in EITHER one of two ways: One.. the current way....promote the pants off of two musicians... sell a million records off them.. and make a million dollars.. or TWO... promote the pants off (according to a budget that works).. 2 HUNDRED musicians.. hell.. perhaps you can do just as a effective a job proMOTING them using the web instead of some of your previously standard media.. (t.v., radio stations, etc.) and you could do THIS right now.. (never mind the dollar numbers and records.. I'm being hypothetical.) Would they do it? Or is there SOMETHING other than money stopping them from considering this idea? Heather From ???@??? 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Now that I think of it I have done sort of gigs before. I used to play in a school band, i would NOT count that though, i also play drums, not with a band, but I have played with guys a couple of times. I guess that's the
other thing I will do somedauy. Me and a friend are trying to start up an
alternative and punk band.

Cool. What would you mean by 'alternative' in this case? I told you Ken was in a punk band, right? One Trick Pony.

He does vocals, I do drums, now all we need is a guitarist and bass and maybe something else.

In Brandon, it seems to be punk, folk and jazz. The schools seem to have a lot to do with the jazz focus. What genres of music do you seem to see around you in your area.. school and such?

I still find it odd that there aren't many rock or pop bands here. Maybe it's just a phase.

I also do some scratching on the turntables but definitely not much....

As a DJ, you mean? I dunno much about that area. I know that Look Music.. who have an office at the university.. do some DJ stuff. They also rent equipment and do a.v. for music or other functions.

(here are a couple really good turntablist websites www.turntable.com - www.turntablism.com)


Thanks. I'll go take a look at those. I know you aren't so much into songwriting...per say. Just music writing. But I've come across the muse's muse.

http://www.musesmuse.com

They have a pretty comprehensive site. They have Topica forums on music as well (Topica is a web site that offer free listerv type forums.)

And Derek mentioned homerecording.com. You seen that one?

http://www.homerecording.com

They have a lot of technical stuff. He likes it. I'm gonna start checking that one out.

I've been reading the Musician's Tip sheet from this site:

http://www.zebramusic.com/

I get an email once a month, I think.

Actually, I've been scouring the net so much, I haven't really stopped for great periods of time yet on any of these sites. But what I've seen of them, they are pretty good. Check with Dex, too. You guys are both into the recording/technical end of this. I imagine you could exchange a few good convos.

When I think about playing in places that serve alcohol, there are people
who I know that have played in lounges and stuff, I guess it's just the
clubs and bars that tend to stick to +18 bands and entertainers.

Oh.. so it may just be a convention, NOT a law? Cos it doesn't really make sense. You could obviously go INTO one of these places for a pop or food so why you wouldn't be able to perform there?..... cool..

So maybe if this event works out for Ken, you could come to that. It's way.. up in the air. Some guy who runs a place in the west end said Ken could bring in his punk bands or whoever to fill in an 8 to midnight slot most nights in the Griff's bar cos it's kinda slow that time of night. Griff's is the sports bar at a golf and recreation club. I'll keep you in mind, k?

Actually right now, every so often I play with a band that does German music, just to get experience with other types of drumming (besides just rock, punk, and alternative rock music drumming). It is the German Society Of Winnipeg band,


Cool! That's a great idea for experience. Do you know people in the band from somewhere or did they just ask for people one day and you starting showing up for gigs?

besides just having old guys (people over 70 - there is actually a couple of people in their early 80s), there are a lot of younger people my age as
well. But what I am trying to say is that we play in the pub every two
weeks, and they serve alcohol. So I guess some places may have certain rules about -18 aged people, but different places vary in rules.


Cool. Like I said, I've never asked at Twoonies. But personally.. the way things are going there.. I'm not sure I'd even ask them.

What's also interesting is the club owners are a bit posh. What I mean by that is since they took over (I don't remember when exactly but obviously recently) they've been 'apparently' pushing for a "plush rope" crowd.. as Ken disapprovingly put it. I wasn't really paying too much attention to the policies of this club but I have a strong feeling, he's right. He HAD an opportunity to book his band recently at Twoonies.. (Nite Caps is the lounge.. Kokonas is the adjoining restaurant).. and he passed on it.

His comment was he didn't think it right that they'd let him and his listening crowd in on a night of a performance but GENERALLY (he thinks anyway) they'd not be encouraged to come into the club on other nights.

Some people eh? As small as this town is, I've seen so many people drawing tiny circles around their worlds and what they will or will not do. Silliness.


Another place to play a gig with my music is at raves. Problem is, for most of the good raves in Winnipeg, besides the fact that a lot of them aren't legal,

I read about this a while ago. I now forget. Why aren't raves generally legal? Serving alcohol without a license? Drug use? What was it?


you have to be really well known, because one DJ or performer at a
rave is usually paid up to $2000 for ONE gig. That is pretty good! But at
the moment I really have no connections with raves or organizers of raves
what so ever. The more I think about it, the more I realize that a rave
would probably be the best way to get my music out to people i can connect
with, people my age, people who are fans of rave music (trance, house,
techno, anything electronic.) Most raves also tend to stay away from
mainstream music (like Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, etc.) and they don't even play music by really famous electronic artist (like Daft Punk,
Brainbug, Love Inc., ATB, etc.)

Sounds interesting. If you get a chance, tell me more about raves. Sounds like an interesting possibility.. then again.. there are these legal aspects. Bring me up to speed if you can. What's the climate like in Winnipeg for this stuff?



> By the same token, given the process of how you MAKE your music.. I >think the web is just as good a place to be focusing on. I've also been >given the impression by a few people that people don't go to gigs as >much. They cocoon. They listen to recorded music.

In my opinion, the internet has made my experience with my music fabulous.
If it wasn't for mp3.com I wouldn't have a CD available to anyone in the
world who want to buy it. Also the internet has assisted me in sharing my
music with people from all over the globe, so definitely the internet has
played a HUGE role in my music making experience.

Yeah, it's cool. I was mentioning that to someone... about you.. being able to do this. It IS amazing. Smile.

But now, I would kind of like to focus on promoting myself locally. People from various locations across the world have heard and downloaded my music, but really, there are very few people in Winnipeg, and even Manitoba for that matter, that have heard my music. That is why I would like to promote myself locally as well as on the internet.

Good idea. What sorts of plans do you have so far, in that area?


> That's true as well. Let me know if you end up doing any gigs locally.
>That would be fun for you. Smile.

Yes, :) , it would be fun. Actually, just recently, I was at a Valentines
dance at Sturgeon Creek Collegiate, the school I plan on going to next year (my current high school doesn't offer the courses I would like to take,

Really. What kinds of courses do you mean? I figured by now MOST schools offered the same range of stuff. Will you have to travel further to get to school?

plus most of my friends go to Sturgeon, but that's far from the point I am trying to make right now.) Anyway, at the end of the dance, a girl whom I sort of know, sang one song that she wrote. I know of a couple other people who have performed in front of their school at various occasions. That would REALLY be a good way to connect with people. Actually, one of the people from the band Barenaked Ladies graduated from Sturgeon Creek.

Yes. It would be a good place to do that. And what's really cool is it doesn't stop 'locally' for you the way it would have used to. You know.. normally...you become a bit of a big man on campus in your hometown.. but it doesn't go any further cos you can't afford to get your music out there in a competitive fashion.

Cool. That's all CHANGED NOW.. hasn't it? And from what little I've read or discussed it with people, it shows no signs of slowing down. Dex believes the big record labels will be reduced in size and power.. eventually.. by all these little groups of music related industries and people.. like yourself, for example.

Oh and while I think of it, what's the deal with how much payback you get when someone listens to your sound online at MP3.com. I was reading an interview tonight by the CEO of MP3.com. He was commenting on how musicians get 'paid' for that. I guess that would come out of the ad revenue they make on the site, right?

The article also mentioned that they were doing some negotiations with ASCAP. I noticed how they have a place on the site to sign up for that.

I think the new deal was ASCAP has or is sponsoring a radio station or something on the MP3.com site. Of course, the musicians being used are ASCAP artists.

Hmm... I get a bit touchy about these SOCAN and ASCAP agencies. I've noticed a few articles by people who make their livelihood by guaranteeing this whole copyright thing. I'm not explaining myself too well.

I just sometimes wonder if we need this bunch. Or if they are just there to stir up trouble for the artists. Sorry, I'm not explaining myself very well.

I just get a sense this bunch ..in a way.. encourages musicians into a kind of nitpicking mode.. you know.. chasing after copyrights...

Bleh.. never mind. We can talk about that some more later. Laugh. I guess I get a little bugged when I sense there are these 'agencies' who SEEM to be helping the artist.. yet in some way.. to me anyway, they cause MORE problems for them.. in reality. And they end up making money off the musicians on some level. I'm not completely knowledgeable on this. You can supply more info to straighten out my thinking, if you wish.

>I can't actually think of too many sites at the moment, but I'll keep you posted if I think of any!

Thanks. When I finish a few things, I'll start digging around as well myself. Thanks for the URLS you've mentioned.


I haven't actually heard of too many house parties like that. The host of
the party would need a pretty BIG house!


I'll check with Ken on that. I'm sure he said he'd been to some locally. I'll see what that's about. At least you don't have to chase after a club for the place to gig, yanno?


> Okay. I'm dumb. What do you mean, the CD version? The version you plan >to put ON the CD? I thought you had all your songs set to go?

I do have all my songs ready, I just weanted to sort of upate the song
"Beyond..." I wanted to shorten it a bit, and take out unnessesary parts. I also wanted to upgrade the samples to a higher quality and bit rate. I
planned to only spent a short time updatind the song, because I want to get the CD done soon, but It seemed, as I said before, that I was remixing the song more than updating it.

I hear ya. I guess you must reach a point some times.. when you simply aren't sure WHEN to stop tweaking a piece of music. Smile.


> The thing I really worry about with your genre of music.. and the >opinions you might get from others. It's gonna depend an AWFUL lot on >the mood they are in when they listen to it. This kind of music invites >personal interpretation. You don't have someone up there singin' out the >lyrics to you.. yanno?

That is what makes writing electronic music a bit tougher. I have to make up for the vocals, which means more emphisis on the melodies, instruments and samples. I have to make sure that if the song has a dark sounds, or a happy sounds, it SOUNDS that way.


Understood. Actually, I'm not suggesting you NEED vocals. I just mean that when you are seeking advice on the state of the song from someone, they might give you advice, but it's not quite the same song to THEM as it would be to you. You could end up getting WAYYYYY sidetracked, listening to everyone't take on your song. I LIKE instrumental. To me, your music is like a soundtrack. I used to listen to a lot of soundtracks. I don't NEED vocals. I enjoy it just the way it is. Smile.

But I do understand what you mean. I tend to find the melody is more important. Maybe that's just me. I used to listen to Burt Bacharach as a kid. (Laugh. I realize he's in vogue at the moment. I find that odd.) He and Hal David wrote songs together. I am a singer. I like singing the words, granted. But I always tended to like the other pieces on his albums more. The instrumental ones. I found his music very.. physical. That's all I can think of how to explain it. But those are the instrumentals. You'd get the wrong impression from what I'm talking about if you just listening to the songs with lyrics.

Never MIND that some of them sound rather dated. Laugh.

I do plan to have vocals in my songs as well. As I said, I plan on starting a band wit my friend.

Sounds cool. What sort of voice does your friend have? Do he sing the punk stuff too?

He agreed to lend some vocals for a couple of my songs. Actually, two of my songs on mp3.com have vocals in them. This guy from... umm... whatever [ne] stands for. Actually, I have never gotten around to finding out what country he lives in, all I know is that it's initials are NE (Normay... no, Netherlands... maybe), Yeah, maybe it's netherlands, I don't really know at the moment. Anyway, I used his vocals for two of my songs; Ego The Truth - tons of positive feedback,


Was that someone named OPI? I'm being lazy. I'm not running to check. Yes. Those were good. Smile. And yeah, I think it IS the Netherlands. Funny, there seem to be a few musicians from the Netherlands.. Sweden, etc. You have any idea why that it?

it's also one of my few happy up-beat songs), and Independant State - uggghh, it's definitely not one of my greatest, it has a cool melody, but the programming and the whole mix of the songs is not the greatest. It was also one of my first songs as well. Both, Ego The Truth and
Independant State are available on my website.

Yes. I know. I listened to them the other day on MP3.com. And I've been to your Insomiac's web site. I went through it quite a bit. That's where I first contacted you from, remember? I haven't tried the other (one.. or two..was it?) yet. I'll make some time to do that.


> The only thing _I_ can suggest.. when something I am creating isn't
>hitting me right..
>
> is work on something else.. for a while.
>
> Then try coming back to it.

Yes, I think that is what what I would say to anyone who wants to know the
best way to write a GOOD song! When I'm making a tune, if I find the mood of the song is dying, or I just killed a really good part of the song, then I take a break from writing the song. I go do something else totally unrelated to the song. Then maybe the next day, or later that day, I come back to the song and continue wher I left off.

Yeah. Sounds like you've already got that kind of stuff figure out. Cool. Smile.

I am actually almost done the song. I could send it to you
sometime, when I get the chance to upload it to geocities. I can't and won't upload it to mp3.com yet, because of the fact that it is a remix.

Sure. I'd like that. Thanks. I'm a little behind on your stuff. But that's also cos there's so much there to view. I'll get to it though. I think you've started me on a listening bent.. to this style of music. I haven't listened to many different genres just lately.

To do like a 'cover' version of a song is different. I actually have not
done any 'cover' songs yet. I don't really intent to either. It's just not
fun to redo someone elses song. It is, however, fun to remix a song, to give it an entirely new sound and shape.

Derek and my boss..Dave.. they've BOTH mentioned how there are SOME places.. where all people want to listen to ARE covers.. I sorta understand that. But I also find that weird. I guess it just depends on their mood that evening.

But they've also mentioned.. some musicians.. getting booed cos they weren't PLAYING covers...

Now THAT, I find strange. Laugh. Course, I was never much of a bar-goer. I guess there are different reasons why some people go out to listen to music. I would have thought it would be to hear something they can't normally hear. Smile.


> That's like me always creating HTML pages at 640 X 480. At some point >you say.. HEY.. upgrade your damn machine and let me create stuff at a >higher resolution.. K!?? laugh.

Grrrrrrrrr. I really hate that. My website (Insomnia's Webpage) was created on my computer (res. 1024x768). And when I loaded my website on someone elses computer it was totally screwed up, because the website is based on tables and frames. I'm not sure if you have seen my other website.

Yes. I have. Now that you've told me I will look at it in higher res. I don't come across many sites that use high res. Usually, it's 800 x 600. It's understandable.. but.. smile... like I mentioned above.

My mp3.com page is jsut my music page. I also have a webpage with stuff on
music, my music, games, video game stuff, music reviews, and other stuff. I haven't updated that page in a LONG time because I haven't really had the time or interest in it.

When did you create it?

I don't play video games very much, so there is not much to review on that. As far as the CD and music reviews.... I tend to review mp3.com artists now, not mainstream artists and bands that rake in
cash by the millions!

Actually, that's a cool idea. It gives you a chance to look at new artists and you are helping publicize them a bit.

The Winnipeg weather rule is:
December and January - Cold as Hell
February - The weather plays tricks on our minds. We think we are now
entering spring time and warm weather.
March - It get cold, really cold! More snow, more blizzards, more coldness.

This is what they keep telling me. Yet from the time I got out here, the weather.. apparently has been usual. The first summer, it was lush and green and the winters.. I've managed okay. I thought it would be worst. That's what my friend kept telling me. Laugh. I'm still waiting.

Remember when I said that I was going to post a message on the mp3.com
boards about remixing one of my songs? Well I did get a reply, I sent him
the samples needed to remix the song, and I have heard nothing since. That's the scary thing. The guy could have just taken off with the samples for one of my BEST songs and is going to steal them.

Hmm.. now THAT'S a bit sucky. Be carefully, okay?

That is what happened to another guy I knew on mp3.com. I am going to e-mail him later and see whats up. I told him to reply to me when he got the samples, and to keep me posted on what was happening with the remix.

Let me know what happens. I'm curious.

Maybe the guy just hasn't checked his e-mails, or somehow didn't get my email, that seems to happen now and then because I am using Outlook Express to use my Hotmail account.

That's why you re-emailed me. Now I understand.

I really could not stand using a website to send e-mail. That is why I was glad when I upgraded to Outlook Express 5 so that I can use my hotmail account in Outlook Express.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I did hotmail for a while. It's a bit frustrating to do it on the Web site.

Anyway, I seem to be drifting off topic.

Laugh. That's okay. There are no rules here. Laugh.

I hope to get my CD done and ready VERY soon. I have jsut about everything
ready to go.

That's cool. Keep me posted on it, okay?

Thanks for the reply and the info.

Talk to ya.

Heather
From ???@??? Sun Feb 27 02:33:28 2000 To: Dex, Ken From: Heather Subject: I sent you this, didn't I? Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000227023116.00ae4950@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: http://www.cybersight.com/~todd/klf/the-manu.txt Did you guys read this? I think I sent it to you. Skip down to where they compare big record companies to brass bands... Grin. This is a VERY good article. As tongue in cheek as it is.. it makes some VERY interesting points about the music industry. H From ???@??? Tue Feb 29 11:47:52 2000 To: Mike, Dave From: Heather Subject: Free domain name Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000229114627.00ae5340@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Check this out. Free domain name service. Probably advertising based, of course. H http://www.idirections.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 01:02:47 2000 To: "Chris Komus" From: Heather Subject: ideas.. if you want... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301003537.00aec5a0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Hi Chris..

If there's one thing I'm able to throw at you.. it'll be marketing ideas. Cos I'm looking for em and thinkin' em up.

I'm rooting around for marketing ideas related to what we may end up doing here at Armchair with the projects we create or the web sites we build.

Here's a Web site called Buzz Factor. It's music related in its marketing. But what made me think to toss this at you was the comment the author made: Look for marketing ideas anywhere.. NOT just in the music industry. If I come across any interesting sites or articles or such.. that is if you are interested.. I'll send them your way.

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/bob1/

I forget how I got to THIS site below. It was definitely one of those surfing searches. This site has forums on promotions. There is a sister site that I first came across for 'bar promotions' as in restaurant and bar promotions. I've talked to the owner. He wasn't getting enough traffic on the bar promotions forum and he planned to port that information over to this site.

http://www.nightclub-business.com

I found it fun as I went to the bar promotions site one night in search of ideas and found a lot of people asking advice. I'm no restaurant consultant, but that night I read lots of the forum entries and simply came up with ideas. You might find this site interesting as well. What I like is there is a good deal of intelligent chatter. I talked to this guy Joe. I found him interesting.

Joe Sorge
SVC Nightclub and Bar Services, Inc.
http://www.barpromotions.com

Oh, yeah.. here's one more. Dave, my boss gave this to me. It's quite long and actually from a number of years ago and in some ways it's rather tongue in cheek; in some ways.. it's QUITE serious. Dex mentioned that as far as the recording component of this article, there's actually quite a good bit of information. In fact, I got tied up doing this report so I never finished reading this. I think I'll go back and read some more of it. Please note.. there really is a high level of sarcasm in this article. But it's interesting, when I think on some of it, having obvious enjoyed mainstream music for enough years to see patterns..

There's quite a ring of truth to this article.

http://www.cybersight.com/~todd/klf/the-manu.txt

Talk to ya.

Heather


From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 13:44:35 2000 To: Dex From: Heather Subject: More on Music web site resource site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301133930.00ae57c0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Actually... Another way would be to find all the good resource web sites as you've suggested we'd need.. And create a Web ring. You said, in your experience, most Web rings don't have a lot to offer. So let's create one that does. We could STILL eventually augment content as we create it. But that, in a very quick fashion.. solves your issue of having that prime information all in one place. Think of it as a 'Dynamic Bookmark or set of bookmarks.' If no one else is spearheading such a thing, we could. Though I imagine ENOUGH of these resource web sites are attempting to pool resources. They might just not be including as many of the components you have suggested in one place -- like this web ring idea. H From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 14:01:57 2000 To: Dex From: Heather Subject: Thoughts... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301135331.00ae1930@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: I was searching to see if I could find "MP3 music creation" web sites and ran across a site that had creating search engines with a specific focus (ie. science, agriculture) Is there such a thing as a musician search engine? I was thinking about the idea of offering a service -- similar to the current trendy but sleazy small business consultant model of offering to register your business with a load of search engines. Our next door neighbour was a good example of that. Jim Pryke was one of a few that offer such a service to them. They didn't even seem to realize... they could do it themselves (to a certain extent) but anyway.. My point is a lot of people still believe you need this service and that you need to find things by way of using a search engine. (You know, people ask us at creatist why we aren't listed on a search engine.. that sort of thing) I wonder.. if it doesn't already exists.. if we could create one and offer to put people on it? We could use that "narrow focus" point you made about forums.. granted, this isn't very narrow.. just narrowed to the "music." We could treat it like a Yahoo portal.. in a sense.. and also add content. Not really any DIFFERENT an idea. Just different packaging, per se. H From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 14:28:17 2000 To: Dex From: Heather Subject: Thoughts.. per zing.com Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301142419.00ad14b0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: Hmmm... now I'm doing some thinking.... WHAT was that photo site's excuse for not being interested in what you may have offered? (articles, advice, etc. -- on THEIR site.. would be the impression) Did the guy you talked to not have the authority to offer such things? Or was he worried about your grabbing his audience and taking it off site? I'm curious. Get to these things when you can. I'm just taking advantage of the storing mechanisms of email. H From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 02:01:24 2000 To: Dex From: Heather Subject: Browsing a list of free web space services... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301020000.00ad7310@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: http://home.crosswinds.net/ Where does this free unlimited space Web page service make its money? H From ???@??? Sat Mar 04 13:45:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 14706 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 19:45:10 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 19:45:10 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000304134401.00ae8ba0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:45:10 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: interesting ideas... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed March 4th, 2000 6:22 AM While I think that Amazon should just drop the suit, my opinion is that they should be spending their money elsewhere. If Netscape did obtain some patents on the browser would we be sitting here condeming them for suing Microsoft? Or would we be cheering? Either way, I have no idea exactly how the book business works, so if this idea sounds stupid, I appologize in advance. Since so few of the world population is on-line and even fewer are buying on-line, and Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc, are not yet in every town (or even every country) would it make sense for Amazon to go into the distribution business? Could they partner with the thousands of Mom and Pop book stores who would put a kiosk in their stores and hang a sign in their windows announcing that they are a proud Amazon Associate? Customers would get their books the next day without having to wait at home for the FedEx truck. They would have a much larger selection than normal even bigger than B&N and unlike now, wouldn't have to know exactly what they wanted before entering the store or waiting for a salesperson to order the book for them whenever they get around to it. Just browse at the store kiosk order the book and stop by tomorrow to pick it up. Customers would have the name recognition of Amazon with the convienience of the local bookstore. For the music end, a CD burning kiosk at the local music store could download the music and graphic files, burn the CD, print the label and cover/booklet the clerk could quickly assemble it and there would be almost no inventory. Hmmm...maybe someone could design a paperback book printing kiosk. (Sorry, got a little carried away at the end) But I'm sure that if I could think of these things, other people are already building them. Andrew J Ward From ???@??? Sat Mar 04 17:21:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 23606 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 23:21:41 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000304172116.00ad6250@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:21:36 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Ideas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed p> An open research application, hosted by Amazon, leveraging their database of millions of books, with GPLd source to boot? Sounds pretty cool to me. It might sound attractive to Amazon too, if they could embed those one click links all over the place. But what is really exciting is the prospect of a company like Amazon really getting the open source religion. Picture them pumping resources into free etext development, placing the classics online alongside their commercial offerings, forging links between the free source material and complimentary added value commentaries and the like. My gut tells me they could do this fairly cheaply by leveraging the huge pool of scholarship and tech talent of the Internet. At a minimum it would increase goodwill among their wired customers. It could also pay off in increased interest and sales of the wares.

But, what if B&N wants to play too? A truly open application would encourage third parties to get in on the fun. Where does Amazon's edge go under those conditions? First, Amazon's competitors are supposed to be clueless brick and mortar dinosaurs. If this assumption is true, then they will fail to fully leverage the open business model since they presumably wouldn't get it for a while. Even if they did get it eventually, Amazon could continue to reap rewards of being the first to exploit this new model. Second, all advantage is temporary in this economy, patents notwithstanding. Once the imitators get fully on the bandwagon (benefiting the community at large, by the way,) Amazon would have to break new ground somewhere else to stay on top.

I like this idea a lot. I wonder if Amazon is truly that kind of company, though. I wonder if they can grasp the potential of embracing the Internet ethos in such a thoroughgoing way. It sounds like Tim found that Jeff Bezos was receptive to some of his suggestions, but the proof is in the pudding. If Amazon can cast aside the temporary advantage that their patents afford them, if they can recapture their faith in innovation and shrug off their fear of well heeled, litigious rivals, if they can embrace the culture that gave birth to the technologies they have exploited so well, why then I might just buy the last Aubery/Maturin novel from them after all.

Howard Owen From ???@??? Mon Feb 28 11:11:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 849 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2000 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 28 Feb 2000 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.154]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA1423 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:27:47 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01bf8209$2db4bf80$9aebc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" Subject: hey... Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:30:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF81D6.E25A0CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather <hallie@creatist.com>
To: <dex@techplus.com>; <ken@bookfiles.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 2:21 AM
Subject: Hey..


| Here's an idea for a web site.. or one component anyway.
|
| A buddy system..
|
| A web site where you get matched up with a supporter. It can be a music
| lover.. a similar genred artist.. whatever. (Dex.. you could create this in
| photo artists genres as well.)
|
| But the point is.. two people. ... connect.. with a committment to support
| one or the other or both.. if they are BOTH musicians (or photographers)..
| through their music (creative) processes.
|
| We might even create a forum of these buddy systems... and cull some of the
| best knowledge, advice.. attitudes.. approaches.. for others to view.
|
| Tell me what you think of such an idea. You need not ask me where I got
| this idea. Laugh.
|
| Heather

Well, first of all, the great grace of the net is that people with no social
skills can appear to have social skills.  Why is this?  Because they can
choose NOT to participate just as easily as to do so, and no one will notice
their absence (usually).
This is the great thing about forums.  You can join and read others' messages
and never put a message in, and no one cares.  You aren't seriously obliged to
do anything, not even show up ever again after signing on.
The buddy system is an interesting concept, but what if, after a week, your
buddy starts annoying the fuck out of you because they're so damned stupid
[>50% of people on the net fit in this category].
Or, what if your buddy ceaselessly sends you emails talking about their
personal problems instead of the real topic.
Or perhaps they sign you up on mailing lists and suddenly you have 150 spam
messages a day raining down on you.

In some ways it's a great idea, but the direct interaction spect, in this
case, counts AGAINST it.  The fact is that there are far more subintelligent
idiots out there [on the net and in real life] than there are smart people.
Not that that in itself is so bad, usually you can just avoid them.  But then,
every now and then you meet someone like Dave Polo who just won't fuck off,
even if you actually tell them to, right to their face.

Hmm.

D.

====================================================================================
Derek BF Gunnlaugson
Photographer / Sound Engineer                     Visit my online photo portfolio at
A+ Certified Computer Tech                               http://www.techplus.com/dex
 From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 10:45:02 2000 To: Dave Voorhis From: Heather Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000313002806.01687f00@armchair.mb.ca> References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000313095918.00ad8d70@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: At 12:31 AM 3/13/00 -0600, you wrote:
http://www.swap.com/

It's along the same lines of NovelExchange, except it targets kids and features everything BUT books.  I think our book-only focus is a potent feature.


I'll take a look at it. Thanks. Hmm.. and maybe targetting a demographic, like they sound like they've done.. would be a thought for NovelExchange as well. We'll see what kinds of traffic we get. I'm targetting yuppies with bookshelves filled to bursting and no signs of giving up reading. I realize there are the barGOON Walmart types as well but right now when I think about this site, I think about "Barnes and Noble" versus Amazon.com's style and I think of that Random House publisher site. More informational. A bit more upscale. I figure the more upscale types read more, buy more, talk more.. about books.

Maybe. I'm don't plan on sticking to any one idea once this gets out there. I'll take and cater to whatever kind of traffic we encounter.

Hey, does anyone write books on Bean Bag babies? Laugh. A line of books for each set of characters. Like Star Wars.


I wonder if NovelExchange shouldn't allow CDs to be swapped, too.  I'm a bit concerned that folks will copy-and-swap, though.


I was thinking about CDs the other day but I'm not sure folks will go for exchanging CDs that they can't walk back into the store (like Ken - he sells used CDs) and say.. "hey, this is scratched or songs skip" or whatever, "I wanna return it."

I still feel used CDs stores never seemed to have caught on cos most people like having a 'new' one. That's why the record industry booms.

People are a little more finicky about their music playing correctly. You can do more damage to a book that people will put up with. I mean, as long as they can read the story, they don't care. (That's why libraries work, right?)

But give them a fucked-up CD and suddenly they start remembering how much they spent on postage.

ALSO, you'll get a group of people who TAKE a bad CD... are pissed, don't complain (like buying something cheap at the store and it breaking)..

and never come back again but feed out negative press about the site.

Some people are a little lazy. They can't be bothered to fix a problem. Partly cos they don't feel they shoulda HAD one in the first place.

Make sense?

If this idea catches on, and if it catches on with a particular crowd that we can see CD exchanges work, yes, it would be a good idea. Let's see what sort of audience we get.

As to swap.com, keep in mind, we will eventually fall across SOMEONE exchanging books. I hold my breath every time I go searching for "used book exchange." What's weird is, it always seems to mean "books for sale." Strange.

What makes me wonder is why no one is doing it yet. Is it something that just doesn't occur to a net/retail backgrounded group who basically see dollar signs when they think of a business? I dunno. Even those Beanie Baby people, who are buying a fairly cheap item, when you think of it, go in search of dollar signs (collector's item). It's their only chance to "play the stock market", in a sense, I guess.

Damn, if I was into Beanie Babies, EXCHANGING them might be a cool idea. Though, obviously, in this money grubbing world.. people are looking at beany baby exchanges with dollar signs in their eyes again.

[I haven't been out in the culture (read: ads/television/magazines) lately. Are there any new trends of the Beanie Baby sort?]

By the same token, as you mentioned a long time ago, we will make the first one.  If it catches on, people will be putting them up like they did with the auctions, yanna? And THAT, in a sense, will act as publicity for this idea. Which is good. So even if there a some ones OUT there.. it all adds to the publicity pool, the building of critical mass, the reaching the 'tipping point' as someone describes it when a trend goes big suddenly. How long did it take online auctions to take off?

I'm noticing that in spite of your comments about Ebay cornering the market that Amazon.com and Sotheby's are swimming along as usualin the auction realm. I came across an article about them teaming up for a third auction space called amazon-sotheby's. They aren't going away any time soon. I STILL feeling Sotheby's (now with Amazon connected to them) is gonna catch a lot of the offline types who believe in the 'SOTHEBY'S' reputation. (I think the article said Sotheby's started in the 1800s. Yeesh)

By the way as far as online auctions go, I still feel some of what you told me about Ebay sucks. If this 'sniping' as you call it is how they do an auction most of the time, THAT sucks. To me, the thrill of auctions that I used to watch on a movie.. or do you remember that series "Lovejoy".. that was cool.. was the back and forth bidding. If I was to know that every auction was gonna consist of some guy who had no intention of obtaining the object simply driving the price up by bidding wildy or some guy who could wait til the last fifteen seconds of the auction to pay a big price for the object.. the idea of auctions would bore me to tears. Besides, if that one guy has so much money to spend, why doesn't he simply CONTACT the owner and say.. "here, I'll buy it for this much. Deal?"

And get the hell off the auction scene.

Could you imagine a James Bond movie where Bond plays cards and instead of the long climaxing building game scene, he throws down one card and says, "I win, you lose!"

Boorrrring...
From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 13:11:53 2000 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Re: swap.com Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000313124309.00aea320@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: I've looked at swap.com rather extensively and talked to Mike about a few of the concepts as well. Cool site. Well laid out. Neat graphical interface. Interesting to note: - it comes from Idealabs (connection with Steven Speilberg - mucho marketing dollars and expertise) - marketing/instruction is highly focused on "helping kids be entrepreneurial." Very upbeat, emphasizing the positive aspects of things. "Let's SWAP stuff!" (yup.. and the parents pay the shipping charges - this is one point that isn't being emphasized too much!) - strictly for U.S. residents at the moment - reduces shipping costs issues to an extent. Hmm....should we keep NovelExchange Canada and U.S. only? Hm.... - it started Dec. 27th of 1999 - fairly recent entry yet they have that domain "swap" - either they were very forward thinking or they paid a tidy sum for it - (start by swapping your stuff from Christmas, eh?) - an email newsletter comes with the registration (hmm.. do I smell email ads for Steven Speilberg movies and other merchandise here? Laugh.) - most of the top dogs are from the Idealab crew - a parent has to register for the kid, in an intial sense, (they emphasize the permission/safety aspect of all this) yet it starts to smell when they have to offer up their _credit card_ as collateral for the whole exchange, in a sense. A nice touch, tying the parent into it! Granted, how else could they do this? (Hmmm... they could DO it without ever having the intent of CHARGING for the transaction! ergo no credit card required) - service is free until April when completed swaps are debited from the adults credit card (apparently a mere .77 per transaction) - they have the usual bleeding heart hook-at-the-start tie-in.. again, a nice touch ($2 is sent to a charity for each completed swap - til April, when they start charging that .77 cent swap fee.. how nice) From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 19:48:46 2000 To: Dave From: Heather Subject: Adult consent/verification registry database Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000313190342.00ae9cb0@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: I just had an idea. Earlier today, I found out why swap.com requires adults to give their credit card information when children register for swap. It's part of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act which goes into effect the end of April. The link below is to the Children's Online Privacy Act. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9910/childfinal.htm One of the guidelines for this act was to suggest using credit cards as a form of adult "consent/verification." Digital signatures was a similar example. They're still trying to figure out how BEST to do this. I don't think a lot of parents will appreciate having to hand out their credit card number to every site their kid joins -- whether the long-term intent was to USE that credit card or not. (as will be the case for swap.com in April when they start charging for transactions. MEANWHILE, they've got credit card and ergo marketing/demographic information on these adults from December of last year to April. How convenient.) Unless these participants use the Secret Delivery service (an escrow service with names and mailing addresses kept hidden) which costs $5.77 a transaction, there is TRULY no reason for swap.com to have this information, never MIND the information they collect on the adult. 'Course ask them this today and they'll cite this Online Privacy Act. Ha! Every company on the web should now be creating web sites for kids that require adult credit card info for the kid to register.. JUST for the marketing information. Sweeet.... Could you imagine how well a permission slip for a field trip at school would go over if the school asked for the parent's credit card number? Hmm.... Anyway.. the idea was this: Why don't we create some kind of Web site with a database for adults to register/create this verification/consent or digital signature element? They could do it once, NOT have to give credit card information to every Tom, Dick and Harry web site that needs this consent/verification. The adult could come and register in some fashion, verify who they are, even if it's done by a longer paper based method. They could be given a link/PIN number or something to use when asked to consent/verify. Perhaps a log could be kept of this activity and the user could access it or something.. for what ever reason.. just to check to be sure no one else is using it.. to track the sites they've given permissions to, or summat... When a web site asks for this consent/verification, perhaps the transmitting of that PIN/password/link could even be done WITHIN some secure/encrypted mechanism that offers the web site consent/verification but doesn't give them any user information (including the PIN/password/link to the registry database.) You want verification.. here... verification. Boink! The web site GETS its verification/consent and the adult doesn't have to hand out his credit card info. I'm sure someone is doing SOMETHING similar of this nature but the fact that an Idealab company is asking for credit card info suggests.. if someone IS.. it's yet to be publicized very much. H From ???@??? Tue Mar 14 23:24:09 2000 To: Dex From: Heather Subject: Just coming up for air.. mostly cos I just remembered this.. Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000314225958.00ae9b20@mail.creatist.com> X-Eudora-Signature: I know one thing I remembered and then didn't write down. Have a musician's search engine and somewhere.. as a part of the search results... have a surfer's rating of the site. Do any search engines have search results with ratings (by the surfer who has BEEN to the site) IN the search results? You don't just get a focused on musician's category search.. you get a chance to look at a bunch of reviews, comments or ratings.. of a site. And no, we don't limit it to one person... we try to get as much input as we can.. the intent of the reviews is helping people find what they are looking for. Like you said, who has time to check out every site in the music industry? If we find we have a lot of reviewers... as it were.. we stick em on a forum and let them talk about that particular site.. if they aren't already talking about it somewhere. I keep hearing about this strange need a lot of people have.. for other people's opinions on the stuff they would be interested in seeing, buying, etc. _I_ find that weird.. but it sounds like a lot of people prefer someone ELSE providing the viewpoint.. Anyway.... I notice how Amazon.com and MP3.com (MP3.com...hmm.. I think) offer you a chance to rate/review a book / piece of music. How about getting all these musician's sites ON this music search engine and don't just have some "guide" or "editor" tossing out thoughts about a section or subject... Get each surfer to review/rate/offer suggestions on what to find where....on a site.... we could offer a standard or customized survey or a multiple choice tick off list.. to each person.. say, a "4-H approach" techy like yourself... and at yours (and other's leisure) you guys 'rate the site.' And I don't just mean 'trash' it. The idea is to help searchers 'find the information they need.' So not only do we have a musician's focus search engine.. we have some feedback on the site.. right IN the search results. yeah.. yeah..yeah.. I'm sure I'm missing a million details... But it combines the thought of a survey site/ a ratings site / a what's the best site for THIS kind of information?.. in some bunch of people's view / and a search engine. Oh and the idea of a web ring.. is NOT to collect every Tom, Dick and Harry of a web site.. with the attending maintenance and dead links... Create a web ring of GOOD sites.. for each subject you've mentioned wanting to have at your fingertips. The idea is to GIVE _you_.. what you asked for. That one-stop-shopping place for all your musician needs.. as you described to me. Such as the marketing of musicians web ring of sites we talked about here at Armchair... You could have an A-Team, B-team, C-team, this genre, that focus, mix.... of web rings.... not just one. Like selling cars. Offer luxury models, economy models, upwardly mobile (can't quite afford this but know I need it) models of web ring sites. H From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 17:07:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 18612 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 23:07:00 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 23:07:00 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000322170633.00ae9100@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:07:00 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Offer Banks content / databased Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Royal Bank has become the exclusive financial services partner in the AgriBusiness Resource Network (AgBRN) and can now offer this new web-based information resource to its agricultural business customers. AgBRN offers hundreds of practical one-page articles, links to agribusiness programs, news, reports, and much more. From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 22:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 18117 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 04:03:17 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 04:03:17 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000317220201.00ae6ce0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:03:16 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "But no publisher is making a dime at this." Wrong. With databases, publishers profit from the first sale on, because they have no startup costs; they sign a deal and collect royalties. Some heavily researched publications, like theNew York Times, already make millions a year from electronic products. Others make peanuts. But whatever they make from these databases is pure profit. On the other hand, publishers' own online efforts, including sites on the World Wide Web, may have high startup costs and bring little initial income (although major advertisers are starting to sign up for some prominent magazines' sites). But while bottom line is what it's all about, in a print venture no publisher expects profits from Day One, and no publisher expects freebies from freelancers. In electronic publishing, even before they start turning a profit, publishers pay everyone from their computer programmers to the electric company. Why should they get content for free? From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 22:05:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 18665 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 04:05:29 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 04:05:29 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000317220445.00aea100@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:05:29 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "We don't charge download fees on our Web site. If we start charging, then we'll pay authors." Download fees are just one of several ways online publishers profit. They sell ads, products and services, and mailing lists. They gain increased paper subscriptions and general promotion. In deals with commercial services, like America Online, they may earn finders' fees for bringing new subscribers to the service. Some of the most profitable print publications are controlled-circulation giveaways with heavy advertising; should writers provide them with free articles because they don't charge for subscriptions? From ???@??? 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Wed Mar 22 22:03:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10440 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 03:53:34 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 03:53:34 -0000 Received: from bph.mb.ca (brndas01-p69.mts.net [205.200.47.131]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00390 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:53:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38D99492.9E7EDC5F@bph.mb.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:50:42 -0600 From: Nanc Organization: Brandon Production House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heather Lovatt Subject: As promised Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DD800EC73FC647511E992675" FYI To: Beverley Hill - BEDB copy - ON! Brandon Creative Industries Development Evening of Le Couscous Thoughts on the industry. Nancy McLennan, Independent Producer, Brandon Production House For creative industries to succeed, at every level, artists who collaborate must be prepared to relinquish some control. And they must create their art to fit the project. Further, for collaborative projects to begin, there must be a producer to move money. Money getters can come from any level of the project. Projects then share equity. The producer will manage the project and dance the collaborative artists into agreement, on deadline. Millions of dollars are being poured into creative industries by foundations, governments, government agencies, private sector businesses, and yes artists. The BEDB should listen to the artists' opinions about why projects fail to happen in this region. Ask why artists must often leave to advance their careers. The frustration must be pin-pointed into explanations. I beleive there is a strong case for drastic regional disparity and no case at all for lack of creative talent nor production ability. There is no lack of suppliers or services. Most of those barriers are easily bridged. Failure to network could also have a strong case, and le couscous by BEDB could be just what is needed. There are producers perched to deliver projects in-budget, on deadline, to markets. There are artists ready to ply their art on behalf of intersting and worthwile projects that pay. But there have to be enough projects. Further, unless projects are happening, there will be no money moving to leverage susequent projects and poof! Industry glut. No cash for leverage of further activity. Nancy Beverley: I have not sent any of my correspondences to Doug Patterson. I have no email or fax number. Please share this with him at the BEDB. Thanks. -- ___________________________ ph:204-571-6914 www.bph.mb.ca Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\bedbrel.doc" From ???@??? Thu Mar 23 14:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 17032 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 20:35:35 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 20:35:35 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000323143509.00ae8140@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:35:35 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Information Designer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The ideal candidate will have a working knowledge of industry standard sets of human interface guidelines as defined by Apple Computer, Microsoft, and the evolving body of literature pertaining to Web Usability. Ability to translate user interface designs into full-blown visual designs for production will be a useful skill in this environment as well. This position will also recommend and contribute to product features and improvements based on testing and his or her comprehensive view of the interface and program flow. From ???@??? Thu Mar 23 20:53:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 15781 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2000 02:53:36 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 02:53:36 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000323205237.00ae0160@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:53:35 -0600 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Builder.com Devhead High Five HTML Compendium HTML Help Index Dot HTML Inside DHTML Microsoft's Sitebuilder Netscape's DevEdge Project Cool Developer Zone Project Cool Media WebCoder Web Developer Web Developer's Virtual Library Web Monkey Web Page Design for Designers Web Reference Web Review World Wide Web Consortium XML.com From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 18:32:23 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 15062 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 21:57:03 -0000 Received: from spleen.armchair.mb.ca (198.163.115.68) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 21:57:03 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000327155511.02797760@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:57:02 -0600 To: Heather ,mike@armchair.mb.ca From: Dave Voorhis Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000327154719.00ae9d10@mail.creatist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:49 PM 3/27/2000 -0600, Heather wrote: >http://www.intragenics.com/ > >This business is different from Communica? I'm just trying to understand this. It's a similar idea, but it still doesn't implement the mail/news/Web integration we're striving for. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Intragenics product is strictly hosted on their servers. We're producing both a hosted product to run on our servers and an installable version to host on your own servers. Dave... From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 15:12:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 5011 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 21:12:27 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 21:12:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000330151125.00ae5870@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:12:27 -0600 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Agriculture notes -- Bundling purchases with marketing.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bundled inputs and outputs. Rather than offering deals that bundle purchases with services, Web site companies will offer deals that bundle purchases with marketing. From ???@??? Sat Apr 01 18:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 8059 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 00:34:11 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 00:34:11 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000401183353.00ae6170@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:34:11 -0600 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Forrester Research of Cambridge, Mass, a leading Internet analyst, in its report Resizing Online Business Trade, predicts that B2B (Business to Business) e-commerce will hit a total of $1.3 trillion by 2003, accounting for 9.4% of total U.S. business sales. Varda Lief, a senior analyst at Forrester specializing in e-commerce, says B2B transactions will far surpass business-to-consumer deals and dwarf giants like eBay and Amazon.com in revenue and sales. Read more about Farms.com in TIME From ???@??? Sun Apr 02 16:08:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 6072 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 21:08:07 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000402160754.00ad5e70@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 16:08:07 -0500 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Advanced degree in library and information science or human-computer interaction. Experience designing and developing information systems. From ???@??? Sun Jan 02 00:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16185 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2000 06:35:23 -0000 Received: from catwoman.mp3.com (192.215.175.20) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Jan 2000 06:35:23 -0000 Received: (from wwwadmin@localhost) by catwoman.mp3.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA22173; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwwadmin) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:35:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001020635.WAA22173@catwoman.mp3.com> From: hallie@creatist.com To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Listen to this song at MP3.com Reply-to: hallie@creatist.com Instrumental piece Here's the song I like at MP3.com: Palo Duro Bound by Karl Thurmond http://www.mp3.com/karlthurmond Free Shipping and big savings on new and used college textbooks at BIGWORDS.com (http://www.bigwords.com). Also, if you have textbooks to sell, get MORE with BIGWORDS BuyBack. ____________________________________________________________ MP3.com - Get your free music here! From ???@??? Sun Jan 02 01:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16240 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2000 06:53:09 -0000 Received: from robin.filez.com (192.215.175.60) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Jan 2000 06:53:09 -0000 Received: (from wwwadmin@localhost) by robin.filez.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16601; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwwadmin) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:46:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001020646.WAA16601@robin.filez.com> From: hallie@creatist.com To: hallie@creatiswt.com Subject: Listen to this song at MP3.com Reply-to: hallie@creatist.com Folk alternative mix - Finnish band, of all things. Here's the song I like at MP3.com: Crossfire by The Scrapes http://www.mp3.com/TheScrapes Free Shipping and big savings on new and used college textbooks at BIGWORDS.com (http://www.bigwords.com). Also, if you have textbooks to sell, get MORE with BIGWORDS BuyBack. ____________________________________________________________ MP3.com - Get your free music here! From ???@??? Wed Jan 05 14:58:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 31950 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 17:45:21 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 17:45:21 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000105114750.009239e0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:47:50 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: mp3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've uploaded some Filipino mp3 into this area: http://www.i-filezone.com Userid: victor_laszlo Password: ugokski It's easier if you use IE4 and above. Click on retrieve and you may be prompted for an encryption/decryption key. Just type 'jeff' if prompted. The songs are in English. Tell me what you think about it. smiley guy Jeff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 14:42:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 26250 invoked by alias); 7 Jan 2000 20:42:08 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 26247 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2000 20:42:08 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Jan 2000 20:42:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000107144208.00924d90@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:42:08 -0600 To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Thoughts.. music site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Enter the MP3DOM artist entry process. If you win, you don't just win a money prize, you get an MP3 site on this Web site (the top 1-2 percent are accepted.. hmm.. sounds like a record company) From ???@??? Wed Feb 02 15:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 9345 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 20:36:33 -0000 Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (209.161.0.35) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 20:36:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16999 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 13:17:19 -0700 Received: from ts7-07.phx.cyberhighway.net (HELO 8) (209.151.37.78) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 13:17:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000202130450.0079d930@cyberhighway.net> X-Sender: mailhost@cyberhighway.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0700 To: zebra@cyberhighway.net From: Steve V Subject: Feb Musicians Tip Sheet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Musicians Tip Sheet February 2000 Welcome to the February issue of the Musicians Tip Sheet. If you find any of this information useful feel free to forward it to any of your friends. To unsubscribe send a message to zebra@cyberhighway.net with the words: "unsubscribe tip sheet" in the body. This months Tip Sheet is now archived at my web site with complete hot links to all the URL's and email addresses listed here, just click your way to the connections! http://www.zebramusic.com ********************************************************************* What's New? Web site: (Updated 02/02) The Gig Sharing Network: There are currently 1,262 bands now in the network! Visit today at: http://www.zebramusic.com ********************************************************************* Happenings: This section is for information about upcoming events or things that could help your act get noticed by the industry. Musicians ~ Save Time & Promote Your Music Free! Indie-Music.com ~ 1000's of FREE insider contacts for musicians, updated daily. http://Indie-Music.com/?zebra Cool Software! There is a new software package that is designed for Press Releases. It called Media Magnet. This software comes preloaded with over 12,000 media contacts. You compose your release and pick which type of media you want to send to. This software makes it real easy to get the word out about your band. I just sent a release about Zebra Music to over 2,000 radio stations and 2,400 daily newspapers. Check it out at: http://www.mediamagnetpro.com/media/1280.html I have just found out about a wonderful Tip Sheet for songwriters called the Parade Of Stars. This Tip Sheet is one of Americas oldest and most respected music information source. If you are trying to break into writing songs for artist, I highly recommend a subscription to this service. The owner of this publication is Chuck Chellman; he is a great guy and has been doing this Tip Sheet for the past 26 years! If you have the music, Chuck has the connections to get it placed on an album. Check it out on the web at: http://www.paradeofstars.com or email Chuck directly at: paradeofstars@home.com. Tell him Steve from Zebra Music sent you! Musicimports.com has over 500,000 import titles and 400,000 track listings on thousands of record labels from around the world. We specialize in collectibles and hard to find titles. We have all types of music from rock to pop, jazz, classical, alternative and the more obscure music forms. We import from Japan, Australia, UK, Spain, Germany, Netherlands and South America. Check out our generous affiliate program offering $3.00 on all CD'S / LP'S/VIDEOS/ DVD'S and $2.00 on all singles sold from your website or homepage. Check it out at: http://www.musicimports.com Seeking cds to review for www.atnzone.com and www.musesmuse.com. Send to: Ben Ohmart P O Box 750 Boalsburg, PA 16827 findline@mindspring.com IT'S A GLOBAL ECONOMY. NOW WE OFFER GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION! Distribution of your music is the key to reaching new audiences and buyers. With a network of over 50 major online retailers like TWEC, Tower and Sanity in Australia, no currency conversions or int'l shipping charges for buyers, and copyright protection, Tag It and Global Pipeline has teamed to offer the "killer app" for the independent community. And best of all, registration is FREE! http://musicdish.com/m/global_top.html I just wanted to let everyone know that you can find a plethora of musicians and musician's services at The Musicians List. Check it out at: http://www.musicianslist.com Harristoursrecords.com is seeking submissions from independent artists who would be interested in promotion and distribution of their CD album projects. We are located in the Seattle-Tacoma area and will be webcasting mp3 radio from our studio. We also have available web hosting for artists and songwriters including mp3 downloads (free short clips) of your music. Besides doing radio ID tags, we are available for recording demos and full album projects on multi-track digital recording equipment! Contact us at harristours@earthlink.net (attention Derryl Harris) If you are a band member, promo agent, or label, and want to know if we will accept your promo cd, lp, single, etc. for possible airplay, the answer is yes. Send it attn. music department. WMUA voice 413-545-2876 102 Campus Center fax 413-545-0682 U.Mass. email wmua@stuaf.umass.edu Amherst, MA 01003 web www.wmua.org Have You Written a Song? You Could Be Discovered! The song contest put together by Gods Gift Music, Inc. Sponsored by other high potential music companies (e.g) BillBoard, Taxi, The Muse's Muse, Skye Sound Lab, etc is still under going, and scheduled to finally closed Entry by February 15th -2000. The song contest as told by the GGM Song Contest 2000 management is an opportunity for Independent Artist/ Songwriters to have their songs heard and possibly picked by Record Executives in the music industry. The contest is said to be international and Opened to all Countries. Entries are expected from Europe, Australia, Canada, and most expecially in United State. Lots of Great Prizes and Music Contracts to be given away. More than $10,000 cash value. You may visit the GGM Song Contest 2000 Website for the Entry Form/ more info at: http://www.godsgift-music.com/contest/ We know how hard it is to get your music heard without conventional radio station airplay. We have an answer … and it's FREE! I am the co-producer of the weekly Music Spotlight Radio Show which broadcasts on KCLA 99.3 FM-Century Cable in the Hollywood and Los Angeles markets with a world-wide Internet simulcast. We are currently accepting submissions for FREE RADIO AIRPLAY. I am also the webmaster of musicspotlight.com where we design and host pages for our member artists and post the archive of the current week's radio broadcast. Members and non-members of the site enjoy the exposure from FREE RADIO AIRPLAY in the Music Spotlight Radio Show. To find out how to submit, please visit http://www.musicspotlight.com/msrsfree.htm or you may email me directly at kcappetta@budgetelectronics.com or you may speak to me personally at 310-214-1883 Tues-Fri 10-6 and Sat 12-5 Pacific time. Or simply send your CD with a brief bio of you or your band to Music Spotlight Radio Show, c/o Budget Electronics, 4803 Torrance Blvd., Torrance, CA 90503. All submissions are subject to approval and will not be returned, please be sure to include your email address so we can notify you of receipt and airplay schedule. I look forward to helping you be heard! ** SUBMITTING MUSIC TO KCRW ** All music is considered for on-air play; we listen to EVERYTHING that comes in the door. Really. Our music programming is widely eclectic, including World, Electronic, Pop, Jazz, Classical, Folk and Hip-Hop and more. We accept music in most formats including DAT, vinyl, CD and cassette. Please send submissions to: Music Department c/o KCRW 1900 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 mail@kcrw.org Calling all artists! We at EZCD.com offer our customers the ability to create their own individualized mix CD's using our extensive and diverse music library. EZCD.com benefits you by providing the ability to not only distribute your music online, but also track sales, manage your mailing list, and promote upcoming performances all through your own web page that we create. EZCD.com will be sponsoring an upcoming promotion that will feature female artists. Female artists who sign-up with us have the opportunity to win a recording contract with a label from our site. The winner will be chosen based upon tracks sales generated through the site. To find out more information on being part of the EZCD.com catalog and be featured next to artists such as Unrest, Apples in Stereo, Stereolab visit the site http://www.ezcd.com and sign up. kenny@ezcd.com The USA Songwriting Competition The USA Songwriting Competition has announced the launch of the year 2000 songwriting event. The competition's sponsors include Tannoy, MARS Music Superstore, Berklee Press, Mackie, Guild Guitars, D'Addario Strings, Digitech, Line 6, Kurzweil, E-mu Ensoniq, Electronic Musician, Music Connection, Audio Technica, Peavey, Gavin, Superdups, Rane, Tascam, ASN, Vibe, Blaze, and Spin.USA Songwriting Competition is the world's largest international songwriting event. Entrants stand to win a grand prize of over $50,000 in cash and merchandise. This marks the largest prize ever to be awarded to a winner in any songwriting competition. Songs may be entered in 15 different categories, including pop, rock, country, R&B, world, hip-hop, folk, jazz, Latin, and others. It is aimed at promoting excellence in the art of songwriting among writers, composers, bands, singer/songwriters, and solo artists in an international forum. The competitive environment lends excitement and fosters creative talent. Entries are accepted from now through Wednesday, May 31st. Contact: Ira Greenfield, (781) 397-0256 or (877) USA-SONG, info@songwriting.net, http://www.songwriting.net. Music Career Expo and Job Fair 2000 Boston's three largest music colleges are pleased to announce a first-ever collaboration. On Sunday, February 27, 2000, the Music Career Expo and Job Fair 2000 will be "the place to be" for music students, music college alumni, and anyone interested in a music career. The event takes place from 11:30 a.m. until 10:00 p.m. at the Hynes Convention Center, 900 Boylston Street, Boston. The Music Career Expo and Job Fair 2000 is free to all students with high school or college ID, $15 for alumni of the sponsoring colleges who pre-register, and $25 for the general public and alumni not pre-registering. For more information, or to register for the event, call (617) 747-8970 I know you have heard of all the bull; that is the music industry...... now check out "http://www.garageband.com" !!!! Understand that this is probably the most honest music site out there... and all bandssubmitted will get heard !!!! and all opinions submitted will get seen !!!!!! My name is Rick, and I am the webmaster of a new free internet site called musictourbus.com. Musictourbus.com is designed to help bands build a following outside their local area. We offer a free service to assist bands in networking with other bands across the country which can better help you to book successful tours and perform with bands with styles similar to your own. For those wishing to join the network, just log onto www.musictourbus.com and register your band. The site is under construction now and is currently in the data gathering stage, but we will be up and running and ready for use on February 1st, 2000. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to having you join the network. startgrp@lcc.net Indie Music Week 400 Forest Park Rd. B6-8 - Nashville, TN 37115 (615) 860-4084 (615) 865-6256 Fax Email: Mwiboss8@aol.com Indie Music Week, March 9-11, 2000...brings together members of the independent music community for four days of showcases, seminars, networking events and deal-making. Attendees are made up of labels executives, artists, managers, attorneys and more. If you need to make some contacts or do business in the indie music industry, this is the place to be.Registration opens on Thursday, March 9th at 9:00am and will be held at the beautiful Loew's Vanderbilt Plaza Hotel on West End Avenue in Nashville. All seminars and workshops are also held at this venue. There are artist showcases each night at the world famous Douglas Corner Cafe on 8th Avenue. This is a well known industry hangout and many top artists have showcased and been signed at this venue. Some of our showcase artists have exceptional credentials and will be rocking the house! We are proud to invite you to attend the second Annual New York Music & Internet Expo, being held at theNew Yorker Hotel Grand Ballrooms on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, March 3, 4 and 5th. It's an event that focuses in on productive promotional pportunities for the musician and music industry, featuring some of the top leaders of the music and Internet worlds--focusing in on the music. To secure tickets, you can either go to www.newyorkexpo.com and click on the ticket button, or go www.newmediamusic.com/ushop/ steve@newyorkexpo.com Rares Ion - musical promoter at Radio Sonic Transilvania - If you want to be promoted in here, please check my site at: http://raresion.cjb.net for every detail. raresion@yahoo.com Busy Musician's free Web-based magazine for working musicians now is online at www.busymusician.com. The magazine provides musicians with business tips and professional development advice that they need to build successful careers. Included with the magazine is a searchable database of music-related jobs and a discussion list that allows musicians to network via e-mail. Contact: Richard Dutchman Phone: (202) 478-0319 E-mail: dutchman@busymusician.com I just reviewed a new on MP3 called "MP3 Power! with Winamp,". It's an excellent book to get to know MP3. Contact Shauna Pope at: shauna@muskalipman.com if your intrested in picking a copy of it up. ********************************************************************* Industry Connections: Here are some labels that are looking for material. It is best to send a letter or email to the contact person first before sending your material. Company: Gods Gift Music, Inc. Add: P.O.Box 5701 Huntsville, AL 35814 U.S.A Website: http://www.godsgift-music.com Description: Your music label with a unique difference. Concentrating on Christian and Secular music: R&B, Hip-Hop, Rap, Reggae, Gospel, Country, and Contemporary Christian music. Absolutely, no filth music is accepted. Record Company Seeks Talent Bie Records seeks ambitious and talented bands/soloists needing management and a record/publishing deal. Music can range from anywhere from R&B and new school punk to power-pop, hip-hop, and gospel. 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Date:______________________________________ Name on card:___________________________________ Signature:_______________________________________ Send to : Zebra Music PO Box 7175 Chandler, AZ 85246-7175 Make all checks or money orders out to Zebra music. Make sure you include postage if you would like your demo and press kit material returned to you. Thanks! Steve Veloudos From ???@??? Tue Feb 08 15:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 3539 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2000 21:36:05 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 8 Feb 2000 21:36:05 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.88]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA819 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:34:31 -0600 Message-ID: <005101bf727c$7f650020$58ebc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000208150927.00908840@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Question.. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:36:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 | What's the cost breakdown on a "music format"? (vinyl, cassette, CD) | I'm sure if you did some searching on this you'd find much better information than I can recall, but here goes.. | How much do the artist, RIAA, music industry, music format producers, | whoever.. get from the sale of one CD? Is the gap widening for the how much | the musician versus the record company gets as the cost of the music format | increases? | Increases? What increases? Per-unit costs for manufacturing and shipping are vastly lower for CD than they ever were or have been for either cassettes or vinyl. We haven't [technically] had a new format introduced since MD and DCC came out around 1990. CD came out in about 1982. (Minidisc and Digital Compact Cassette - both of which failed as consumer products on initrial release, but MD made it back by the DAT route - resurfacing to consumers after years of professional use) Duplication costs, packaging, etc. are lower in price (for large quantities) than they've ever been. | In the early days of musician contracts, what generally was the arrangement | on what amount of the "music format" sales, a musician would receive? Was | this a percentage or a fixed dollar amount? | It's a percentage based on (eventually) total return and cost coverage. Normal contracts for a recording deal go something like this: 1) artist signs publication rights to the label (and hence has no real control of their content) 2) label fronts the cash for the record(s) - this includes living expenses, travel, studio rental, equipment purchases, drugs, whatever. This is a LOAN to the musician[s]. 3) label sinks cash into marketing and distribution, including concert tours. 4) once the album starts selling, the artist might begin to see some money. This usually takes several years to happen, because their entire cut or most of it goes toward paying off the loan from the label. 5) It starts over again with a second album... This is the reason why so many bands, even majour-label bands with huge popularity, never see any of the money everyone thinks they're making. | When vinyl records were, say, $5.00, what percentage of the sale did an | artist receive? Say 5%? | | And then, when cassettes came and cost more, say 10 dollars, did they get | the SAME percentage of the cassette sale? Say 5% again. | | And now, with 20 dollar CDs, are they STILL getting 5%? | You're not factoring inflation into this. When vinyl went 'out' albums were around $10.00-$15.00 around here. Same with cassettes. CDs at that point were around $25-30, because of a monopoly held by A&A records. CDs in most places average about $18-19. Cassettes are still around $10. And vinyl is still (yes, a lot of companies still make LPs) around $10-$15. Which means that things have actually gotten cheaper, if you think about it. Gasoline and everything else have gone up in price in the past 15 years, but the three most common music formats sell for the same dollar price, so they've effectively gotten cheaper. The dumb part of the equation is still the fact that CDs cost less to manufacture and distribute than either cassettes or vinyl. No, I wouldn't think they're getting 5%. It's probably lower... but then again, that depends on the deal they sign. Bigger artists will make a higher percentage from the start. From ???@??? Tue Feb 08 17:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10910 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2000 23:26:45 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 8 Feb 2000 23:26:45 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.63]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA1595 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:25:11 -0600 Message-ID: <000501bf728b$f513cf40$3febc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000208150927.00908840@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000208163052.0090c3d0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Question.. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:26:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 | So since.. possibly.. the quality of recording by a homegrown artist is | improving with these computer applications he can use in a home studio,.. | and he _might_ be able to build a fanbase by showcasing his MP3s on a Web | site, (as long as he markets effectively on the Web) he could... | hypothetical.. make a living as an artist. Which is SUPPOSED to be what | it's all about to a lot of musicians. It's not ALWAYS about being filthy | rich. Yes, this would be nice. But it would be NICER to have a career in | music you could retire on versus one that burns you out (and leaves you | with an incredible debt load) in five years. | This depends on what country you're in. In Europe (where there are high population densities) you can have a band in one city who's very popular and makes a living without ever leaving. In Canada you can live in the largest city and not get anywhere - the only way to gain attention is to tour, since Radio only caters to what's already selling. Most Canadian artists, even with majour label international distribution, never get anywhere outside of Canada. There are rare instances where it happens.. the proven measure of success as a Canadian artist is if you can make it in the US or the UK, usually the US. In recent years there have been some major names that made it in this sense, but then again, two of Canada's most popular truly-Canadian bands (Blue Rodeo and the Tragically Hip) can make it really well up here but get nowhere in the US. Most recording artists up here never even make a comfortable living. I met guys in Vancouver from bands I'd been listening to for 10 years who were serving at Starbuck's or working factory jobs between tours, because they couldn't afford to do anything else. Being Canadian, in the 'normal' industry model, is a serious disadvantage. MP3/internet marketing ideas could level this playing field. | So if the owner of MP3.com turns to support the mainstream artists.. as | that article I sent you suggests. | He's screwed the independent bands, hasn't he? Well, the indies were always already screwed anyway, on one hand. On another, he's out there to make money. He's running a business. He has a right to conduct the way he wants, even if it's unpopular. I think that it's all as much a tool as you want it to be. Just because he's catering to 'major artists' (which doesn't necessarily mean non-indies) doesn't mean that everyone has to be left out. Use it properly, and it will be your friend, you know? I want to do a site for JFK. Gotta get some pics and stuff. Put the MP3s up (which I've already encoded). D. From ???@??? Wed Feb 09 11:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 26670 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 05:01:56 -0000 Received: from law2-oe42.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.39) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 05:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 98308 invoked by uid 65534); 9 Feb 2000 05:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209050039.98307.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.21.126] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000208125238.00910800@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000208193355.0090d6e0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Hello Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:01:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello. I have taken a few photos. They are pretty good. I tried scanning them and good half decent results, but I want top quality for the album. So I usually scan the photograph at 700 DPI. Then shrink the picture down and add effects using Adobe Photoshop 5 (an excellent proffesional graphic editor tool!) Sending me the font over hotmail would be good. Just zip the font. I prefer things in zipped format, even if it is one small file, just makes things more easier, and hotmail accepts only certain types of files i think (i'm not really sure though). I do know that the file can only be letters and number. NO spaces, sybols, or anything else. Cool, your from Brandon! Yup, good old Manitoba! It sure is boring here, but oh well.... When people ask where I am from a lot of them think that I am from England or Europe because of my music style. And when I tell them that I am from Canada, they give me some smart ass remark like "I though that Canada only listened to Celtic music"! Ha... pretty funny. Thats one reason for the album I want. Since there aren't a lot of Canadian or Manitoban trance artist out there. And something different would be nice! This weekend I plan to start doing a couple of songs for the Lordz Of Progression project. My friend does vocals! And vocals often make a song sound much better (sometimes). We plan to do a couple of songs. As well as being in front of the mixer and created electronic music, I also play drums. So I plan on Lordz of Progression having sort of a mixture of Alternative, Rock, Celtic, Techno, Drum & Bass, R&B, and hip-hop. I will still digitally master the songs so that they all have a sort of techno twist. I want Lordz of Progression to be original, just like Lord Of Progression. From ???@??? Fri Feb 18 15:22:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 29491 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 21:22:08 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 21:22:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000218152208.0090e5e0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:22:08 -0600 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" to broadcast your own music: RealProducer G2 (free) http://proforma.real.com/mario/tools/producer.html?src=toolsmain to learn how to use the broadcasting tools: RealProducer G2 Authoring Kit (free) http://proforma.real.com/mario/tools/authkit.html Topic: Industry URL's to send your music for movie and TV soundtracks and more Tonya posted 09-10-99 05:58 PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- http://www.musicdish.com/ has great articles up on the site written for and by musicians in the industry http://e.usia.gov/education/rfps/mkg.htm Grants given by the government for artists to pursue their work http://arts.endow.gov/ Grants from the National Endowments of the arts http://www.arancidamoeba.com/labels.html Record Labels that are listed on the web http://www.songnet.com/elinks/ Email links of industry personnel http://www.radioearth.com/consult.htm This page lists various programming services for radio http://www.songnet.com/npn/ For people looking for writers of music, this is where some of the most famous songwriters have their music represented by publishers (mostly for Nashville) http://www.gigmasters.com/ A great place to sign your band up for free and people go there when they need to find people for gigs. I have gotten referrals from there. They are great! http://www.bdsonline.com/ This is where you must register your music if you want your radio airplay to count for the big charts. It must be registered here period. http://www.musicianassist.com/ Musicians Assistance site it's under construction right now though. http://www.buzznyc.com/index.html Resources for those who are also actors, they also have posting for musicians when they need them for films or music for films. Someone was asking about that. It's a casting notice place. Well that's all for now. I have hundreds of listings, but these ones I thought would be useful. Enjoy! Tonya Rae http://www.mp3.com/tonyarae http://www.tonyarae.com From ???@??? Fri Feb 18 15:02:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27446 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 20:54:03 -0000 Received: from cm207161232227.westman.wave.ca (HELO serverb.bookfiles.com) (207.161.232.227) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 20:54:03 -0000 Received: by serverb.netshelf.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:04:08 -0600 Message-ID: <65C11148D6DBD11198B70080C8581AF3809D@serverb.netshelf.com> From: Ken Jaworski To: "'hallie@creatist.com'" Cc: "'ken@netshelf.com'" Subject: Weirdness Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:03:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Due to some sort of weird technical problem with Eudora 4 and your (new?) qmail server, all the messages I've been sending you over the last week or so are slowly bouncing back to me. I am trying to get a fix for the bug that is apparently causing the problem, but no luck so far. Have you recently updated/changed mail servers? I'm using a crappy microsoft web-based mail client to send this, and it sux. Anyway, I've been trying to get this URL to you for over a week now (the first time I sent it I mistyped it): http://www.bookfiles.com/flatbroke/labels.htm Ken From ???@??? Mon Feb 21 00:24:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 29182 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 05:09:10 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 29179 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2000 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from unix.cybermill.com (root@207.230.44.15) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from zzounds.cybermill.com (zzounds.cybermill.com [207.230.44.16]) by unix.cybermill.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20999 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:00:06 -0600 (CST) From: dex@iname.com Message-Id: <200002210500.XAA20999@unix.cybermill.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:09:25 -0600 to: hallie@armchair.mb.ca subject: Check out zZounds.com... dex@iname.com was just checking out zZounds.com and thought you'd be interested in our website... (He or she asked us to send this email to you.) http://www.zzounds.com/1.music?a=emailrec We encourage you to check out zZounds.com in general. We've got the most comprehensive selection of name-brand musical instruments and accessories on the web at the lowest prices - and sheet music too! We're Bizrate.com "Customer Certified." And we've got friendly product experts and a funky vibe. Hope you find this link from your friend useful and we'll see you around often. Sincerely, The Folks at zZounds.com P.S. Don't forget to tell your friend that you visited the site. From ???@??? Mon Feb 21 19:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 518 invoked by alias); 22 Feb 2000 01:02:44 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 515 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2000 01:02:44 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 01:02:44 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000221190244.0090fbb0@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:02:44 -0600 To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca From: Heather Subject: Music Site concept/feasibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Feasibility Study for a music Web site concept ============================================== This document describes the concept and feasibility of a music related Web site that offers comprehensive music/musician content, community-building features, free MP3 downloads and a shared ad revenue arrangement with musicians on the roster. This site can be expanded to a Webring of similarly structured sites that have a different theme, genre or specialized focus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part A - The Music Web site Concept The purpose of this Web site is to promote 20 talented individuals, groups or genres and generate revenue from it. Though initially musician based, we will also look at writing/performance related genres such as spoken word artists. We offer the developing fanbase an experience they will return to frequently. This creates exposure for the musician which should lead to revenue opportunities for them and us. We will search for good, independent talent for the site. The arrangement is non-exclusive. They can do whatever else they want. We are simply providing one more outlet for marketing their talent. The profile we shall seek initially will be 'net savvy' talent. We need people to help GROW this idea. Hand-holding should be at a minimum. The total of 20 entities on the site is arbitrary, initially attempting to allow for at least one entity for each main music genre. (This figure can vary) We will offer the entire body of work of each talent for MP3 download. All MP3s are free. We use the music like a business card or loss-leader to get customers in the store. We make money on OTHER things. The musicians who sell CDs on our site -- THEY get the full cost of the CD. (Consider a process where musician is notified of sale and ships the CD themselves.) We sell ads on the site. We share the ad revenue with the musician. We can figure out splits/shipping processes on other merchandise/services as we create them. The web consists of many industries that are striving to do business and generate revenue. It may evolve in two ways. One might be the presence of one or two large Web sites with subsidiary Web sites. These would be run by a few major players. Another might be the presence of numerous, independent Web sites, catering to new niche markets that have yet be created. These would be run by a large number of individuals in a sophisticated networked cottage industry. If the Web becomes a place where the content is controlled by one or two major players, this music site might not be a good idea though we could act as content providers (tools, components, and text) to these Webcos. If the Web becomes a cottage industry of numerous companies that make a good living selling their products to a niche market, this idea seems more viable. As a small to medium sized cottage industry that creates music sites like this one, we could make a good return on this concept. We could sell/ franchise these tools, components, concepts and infrastructures or provide training and support. Our niche market could be (though not limited to) the independent, sometimes "alternative to the mainstream" musicians who do not wish to deal with the excesses, debts and problems often associated with the major labels and music management. If they could, they'd 'do-it-themselves.' But a lot of musicians are simply not capable or knowledgeable enough to manage a successful music career. Their marketing skills are weak. Many do not yet see the potential of using the Web - a less expensive option, in some ways - for marketing their bands or increasing a fanbase. They are often still stuck in the mindset of playing 'locally', building a fanbase 'locally', concentrating on perfecting their sound and waiting for that big break where someone ELSE takes on responsibility for these tasks. There are a lot of music Webcos out there. Some are focused on creating music distribution channels. Some are focused on discovering and herding musicians down the old shute of the record label. There's a lot of money to be made in that industry. Unfortunately the musicians aren't the ones receiving the bulk of it. I got this article from Sean: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html Some music Webcos are geniunely looking at ways to improve the skill/tool set/exposure for musicians. These are currently in the minority as most music Webcos right now have a music industry (read: record label) orientation. It's not surprising. Record labels have the power right now. But that _may_ change, with the advent of enough Web sites like the one that's being proposed. Some independents are catching on quick to the potential of the Internet. They may, quite possibly, change the character of being a musician completely. But there may be others who simply don't know how. A lot of the ideas we've discussed about this Web site would be valuable to an independent musician. This Web site would offer them a solution. A solution that starts to pay off for them immediately. Can we generate revenue from this concept? Even in the short-term: yes. If we set up the content rich/community-building Web site we've suggested for this initial site, and get a good traffic response from the artists we engage, we'd make money on advertising. As advertising would be based on clickthroughs, we wouldn't have to worry about having large quantities of ads per page, making it look cheesy. But given the nature of music content, there could be lots of Web pages (and room for ads) on this Web site. We'd have to find or create a mechanism to report hits so that revenue could be tracked accurately for dividing up revenue with the musicians. We could also check into how revenue might be percentaged from the sale of other items that are created. The publicity of even this first site would be good for Armchair Airlines in creating ancillary business in programming or other services. Music appeals to a broad span of individuals, much like the book industry. There is even a market for businesses who could end up USING this music. We could create compilations for sale and compete with MUSAK or music-video types (presuming that we create any sort of video content.) The idea of the musician getting the full cost of the CD sale is an incredibly important component to this Web site. I don't just mean the idea as the minute this idea catches on, quite conceivably everybody else will do the same. But what is great is this small gesture alters the hold that the music industry biggies have had on musicians -- forever. It illustrates to the musician, as well, (who may need a little education to change his mindset of believing he needs a big record label to 'make it.') that he can market himself sufficiently well enough on the Web to make a living at music this way. There are a lot of people on the Web who believe this is possible. All some of them may need are the tools. That's what we can provide. The population of people on the Internet isn't as big as it could be. True. But I'll take the market that IS there. And given the profile of most up-and-coming musicians and their potential fans, I imagine a lot of them ARE on the web. One of the most important elements to using the Web for musicians is the direct access it will allow them to their fans. In the past, fans were kept separate from major musicians. The idea was to create an image, a mystique. Another approach, that might just work for independents, is being approachable, allowing fans to access the musicians, giving them important feedback, making them feel they are PART of the process of building a fanbase/supporting the musician. Involvement, feeling like they are being 'listened' to, this leads to fan loyalty. Fan loyalty leads to dollars for CDs, concerts and merchandise. And yes, we stand to make money on these musicians. But we won't have to put them in a strangehold to do it. Not the way the music industry currently does. Which is just as well. We don't plan to make this the focus of our business. We don't plan on creating superstars and making millions on one or two of them. And tearing our hair out when they bellyflop. We could settle.. on helping a few thousand musicians.. who each make a good living and we could make a little bit of money on every one of them. Musicians need the following things: well produced music, (in MP3 or CD format) effective marketing and a fanbase to sell CDs and merchandise to. We could provide the marketing (or the marketing tools, depending on what a musician prefers) which leads to the fanbase. We might consider offering recording services. (Not a big jump with Derek around) And from an idea Ken and I discussed, costs of recording could be deferred by the sale of advertising to local businesses or patrons that appears on the CD itself. We could also provide that service which is good because it makes us more visible to said advertisers who could advertise on the Web site as well. Granted, I think some education, even of musicians, may be required for this whole idea... as well as the idea of handing over the entire body of their work for Web site MP3 download. But let's start with a similar analogy. Radio stations are handed the entire body of a musicians work. They play the musician's music... relatively for free. Though I imagine they get something in royalties. But mind you, a musician has to be PLAYED on a radio station first. Generally, you don't really get much airplay unless someone is promoting you... heavy-duty. And that, again, costs money. Sure, there are local radio stations and a lot of college radio. But they're more apt to be playing 'safe' music that is already selling, to an extent. (We should look at creating a radio station of the musicians we engage.) We could cater to the two schools of buyers: the ones who DON'T like sorting 'through the racks' at MP3.com, who just want to get in and get out with music they've decided (or WE'VE decided for them) that they like and the music buyers who LIKE to browse, who LIKE to pour over the minute details of each musician before or AFTER they purchase. We would provide the components and tools for doing that. If we can create the kind of 'experience' that will keep fans coming back to these music Web sites and make them feel involved in the building of a support network for these musicians, be they new artists or established ones, this Web site could prove feasible. The site can offer any of the following: - ads including email tagline ads on mailing lists; - CD /merchandise / related items advertising; - sponsors/patrons - (have a recognition/reward program for these); - music genre education and background; - musician-run workshops/streaming video; - fan surveys, feedback and profiles; - Web page update notification services for major updates; - Web counters - (on each musician's main page, perhaps?) - screensavers - statistical reports for musicians; - musician Web site links; - newsletters; - contests; - guestbook(s) - (could a single guestbook for all talent on site have a filter/search feature for each talent?) - participatory input like Armchair's 'The wall'; - music related applications like the ChordOTron 9000 chord guide - an Encyclopedia of Everything on each artist - business linked promos; - giveaways; - Web flyers promoting specific gigs or the musician in general; - Webring for this business model; - fan memorabilia showcase - fan drawings, letters, fan fiction, concert memories or reviews; - musician-related Web based games; - battle of the bands; - listservs; - chat groups; - live musician chats (with downloadable transcripts available); - live or recorded concerts / webcasts in audio or video format; - chat focus groups for musician feedback; - musician/music industry forums; - general workshops - tips and techniques on music related subjects; - comprehensive musician content like bios, personal opinions, recording techniques, publicity photos, concert dates, concert photos, gig parameters for new bookings - (prices, requirements, etc); - Web-based printout items like stickers, sticker books, musician posters, postcards, music or musician-related comic strips, lyric posters, calendars, notepads, bookmarks, CD covers, tee-shirt transfers, masks, colouring books or projects, and greeting cards; - free musical greeting cards; - other musician creativity (ie. writing, art, physical prowess, hobbies); - useful and music-related links; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feasibility of this project (ie. What may work. What MAY NOT work) From ???@??? Tue Feb 22 19:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10390 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2000 00:53:12 -0000 Received: from law2-oe2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.106) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 00:53:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20795 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Feb 2000 00:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223005235.20794.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.20.58] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" References: <3.0.5.32.20000208125238.00910800@mail.creatist.com><3.0.5.32.20000208193355.0090d6e0@mail.creatist.com><3.0.5.32.20000221003728.0090b880@mail.creatist.com> <3.0.5.32.20000222170322.00904ea0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Hello! Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:51:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello again! I just got the high resolution copies of Dex's pictures. Tonight or tommorow I will be doing the final stages of the CD front and back cover. I'll send you the cover when I am done! Yes... that picture of the MTS payphone shack is REALLY good. I like that pic almost as much as the picture of 18th street Brandon looking into the city. I would have actually used the payphone pic for the front cover, but It looks too peacful. I wanted something both dark and lively, and nothing does it better than a night pic in the city! Actually, I was going to talk to Derek about the remix, but I already have someone remixing it, well almost remixing it. I still have to get a few thing figured out first. This remixer is a guy from New York. Checked out the page for the Twoonie Gig? It sounds pretty cool though. I'd like to know more information about it! > What is involved with dealing with MP3 to create a CD? I was kinda curious > as to the details on that. What kind of rights do you keep, etc.? What > amount of money do they expect from you as a result of having 'created' > this CD for you. How does that work? With mp3.com I get to put my music on the net for free. It lets thousands of people to see and hear my tunes, If they can find me (I'm one among thousand upon thousands of people on mp3.com). Only problem is, you can have the best music in the world, but if your music page isn't getting enough pageviews, you won't be very high on the charts. You get higher on the charts when you have more people listeneing and downloading your music, if nobody sees the music to download or sees the music page to see the music to download, then you don't get very high on the charts. But that's besides the point. TO make a CD you just choose the songs you want on it, and place them on the CD. You get to do your own cover art if you wish (Which of course I'm doing), if you don't, then the CD cover will be covered in mp3.com ads. Actually, you'd be surprised at how many artists just leave it up to mp3.com to put on the CD cover! AS for the rights.... mp3.com own our music. They can put my music wherever they want without my consent, however, I can control if I want my songs to ONLY be put on the CDs and not free for downloads. When my CD is created, I dont' pay ANYTHING!!! I get 50% of the CD's earnings. So I am charging $6.99 for my CD. I can choose anything between $5.00 and $15.00. I COULD charge 15 bucks, but nobody would buy the cd, nobody else on MP3.com charges that much! I also want to keep the price REALLY low, because I'm not out there to make money, I'm on mp3.com to advertise myself, and quite possibly have a CD in stores someday... that is my goal, and I plan to carry out that goal :) But anyway... If someone bought my CD, I would get about $3.50 per CD. Not bad I guess! And four times a year, payday for mp3.com artists :), a check gets sent to everybody who has made over $50 in that quarter of the year! If you make under that, then the balance just gets carried to the next season. > I've talked to one woman in Winnipeg -- Lisa-Marie Serafin.. she did a gig > at Twoonies -- she has a rather ominous view of the music industry in > Winnipeg. I know nothing of Winnipeg. > What's YOUR view? What kinds of music are popular these days in Winnipeg? > Or does it simply depend on who you talk to? Well, unfortunately, the music biz in Winnipeg SUCKS! First of all, because of Hot 103.1 everybody between the ages of 9-18 LOVES hip-hop, rap, pop, backstreet boys, 5ive, and all those other Top 40 bands and artists. 92 and 97 are losing fans (they are the rock stations), and Q94 is also losing fans (they play light music as well as some alternative). I actually find myself listening to 94 every morning because I like they're DJs - Bea, Tom, and Frasuer (i'm sure I spelt that name wrong!). There ais a VERY small demand for electronic music, however, 91.1 has stayed STRONG for the past 4 years! And I do know a lot of people that listen to 91 on Friday, they all like electronic music, but the demand in Winnipeg just isn't that big. Actually, all across the worl electronic music isn't that big, but I don't care, there are still MILLIONS world wide that love electronic music! > Why would that be a problem? Or do you mean.. jpg versus jpeg? I would > suppose they'd ask for a format that is most accessible to most musicians, > wouldn't they? Well, JPEG (or JPG) files are meant for the internet, it is a well compressed file, and it is GOOD for the internet, but for CD covers, I would like to use a better quality file format like EPS of TIFF. TIFF is what they use in the proffesional industry. My dad is a graphic arts person, and knows a lot about file formats, that's how I learned a lot about pictures, graphics, and that sort of stuff. When I was talking about the file being 1425x1435 points and me having to covert the 5x5 300 DPI Photoshop file to a 72 DPI 1425x1435 I never really explained myself. DPI stands for Dots Per Inch. The default for a file is 72 (otherwise known as low-res [or low resolution]). Anything shown on screen is always shown in 72 DPI, because that is what a computer screen's resolution is. 300 DPI is pretty good as far as a dark photo goes. On a proffesional printer it would still look pretty good, if the picture was very bright and showed a lot of detail, a higher resolution might be needed to make the picture look sharper. > Is 74 mins a standard CD length or is it merely what you PLANNED to have? > Why do they do that? Are we talking some kind of default setup that they > offer? What would happen if you could only offer LESS than 60 mins... say.. > 40 minutes of music. Would you be penalized in some ways? I've been reading > the MP3 blurbs to try and understand their processes but there are only so > many elements they detail on the Web site, as far as I can see. Ahhhh yes...... :) this takes me back to last year when I had to do this HUGE LONG project in science. I chose to do a study on digital sound and music. So I learned just about everything there is to know about CDs. Every CD nomatter what brand it is has 74 minutes of digital time on it for music or sound. That is 44.4Khz and 16 Bit Sterio (Every CD is in this format). So when I first started working on the CD i figured I would get to use the full 74 mins, but then realized that mp3 versions of the songs will also be placed on the CD, so that takes me down to 60 mins. Which means that 14 minutes is taken up by file space for the mp3 files. I'm not sure exactly how much space in MEGABYTES 14 minutes of audio is, but it doesn't really matter too much at this point. From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 15:39:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 12321 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:45:35 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:45:35 -0000 Received: from backoffice.bookfiles.com (a-75-26-biz1.mts.net [205.200.75.26]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00950 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:45:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000301143746.00ad7d80@90.0.0.1> X-Sender: ken@90.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:48:05 -0600 To: Heather From: Ken Jaworski Subject: Re: When you have a moment... In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000301120026.00af5b50@mail.creatist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey hey. I believe the URL you seek is: http://www.indiecentre.com/ Things are not *quite* as grim as they were a few days ago, but the plan is still one that I probably won't fit into. The good news is I will have a while to try and find something else. Perhaps the worst part is that the band will no longer have a practice space (let alone a heated, alarmed, huge practice space) - none of us have basements or garages that we can use, so there goes the 'practice hard' idea. If you come across anyone who could use a hardware guy in your broad travels (networking or system repair especially), do let me know. In the meantime, I'm going to start doing web pages again & get back into the loop. Ugh. you lose a lot in a year when it comes to the net. Anyhoo, Seeya K. At 12:02 PM 2000-03-01 -0600, you wrote: >Ken.. do me a favour when you have a moment. > >Could you send me the URL(s) of that web site you once mentioned to me >that has the fairly comprehensive online info for.. what was it?... >recording.. or running a music business of some kind... > >You mentioned the business before. I think I was even there... > >I can't remember the name. > >Are you still at Candlewood? Has anything definite been stated yet? > >Heather From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 18:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 27371 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 23:21:20 -0000 Received: from law2-oe54.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.52) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 23:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28610 invoked by uid 65534); 2 Mar 2000 23:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302232042.28609.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.6.193] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000226210827.00ae2740@mail.creatist.com><4.3.0.20000227001256.00ae99e0@mail.creatist.com> <4.3.0.20000229191131.00ae89b0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Hello... Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:20:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello again. I've been VERY busy this week with a lot of things, that is why I haven't been able to reply until now. > Cool. What would you mean by 'alternative' in this case? I told you Ken was > in a punk band, right? One Trick Pony. Alternative is I guess like "Our Lady Peace", "Beck", "Matthew Good Band", alterntative is sort of between HARD HEAVY METAL ROCK and light rock. I gueslike 65% heavy, 35% light. > In Brandon, it seems to be punk, folk and jazz. The schools seem to have a > lot to do with the jazz focus. What genres of music do you seem to see > around you in your area.. school and such? I guess everybody seems to like pop music, like Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, all those "Prefab Bands". Or fake bands as I like to call them. You see, all those boy bands consist of are 4, 5, or 6 rich studs that come across a deal. THey don't write the music most of the time, some of them don't even know how to play an instrument. All they do is sing, all they got to do to get rich and famous is get up and sing and they'll have thousands of girls screaming! As you can see, I am sort of negative about "Prefab Bands". Don't get me wrong, I DO like some Backstreet Boys songs, it's just that what I am liking is their writer's music. But now I think that Backstreet Boys write some of their own stuff. I guess what all I am saying is coming from someone who is a total Indie artist. I do EVERYTHING on my own. My music is ALL my own, no help from anybody, except for the exeptions of a couple of songs where I yhave gotten vocal samples from this guy from Sweden. People in my city also listen to alternative, rap, hip-hop, and some people listen to techno and electronic, but not as much as the population of pop fans. > >When I think about playing in places that serve alcohol, there are people > >who I know that have played in lounges and stuff, I guess it's just the > >clubs and bars that tend to stick to +18 bands and entertainers. > > Oh.. so it may just be a convention, NOT a law? Cos it doesn't really make > sense. You could obviously go INTO one of these places for a pop or food so > why you wouldn't be able to perform there?..... cool.. Yeah it does seem to be mostly a policy thing. For example, there is a bar close to my school. People -18 are allowed in just as long as there is an adult with them. > So maybe if this event works out for Ken, you could come to that. It's > way.. up in the air. Some guy who runs a place in the west end said Ken > could bring in his punk bands or whoever to fill in an 8 to midnight slot > most nights in the Griff's bar cos it's kinda slow that time of night. > Griff's is the sports bar at a golf and recreation club. I'll keep you in > mind, k? Cool! Sounds good! > I read about this a while ago. I now forget. Why aren't raves generally > legal? Serving alcohol without a license? Drug use? What was it? Raves aren't usually legal because they take place in old warehouses without a permit. A lot of times some guys will get together about 200 people and break into an old warehouse, set up a DJ booth, and start a party. Without a permit it's illegal, but with a permit, VERY EXPENSIVE so i've heard, it's totally legal and okay to do. Still, I think it depends on the location, i'm sure you couldn't get a permit for a condemded building. I'm not to sure about the permit thing, but I do know that a lot of times they are illegal because of the safety hazards, for example; lack of fire escapes, exits, and washrooms, sometimes these old warehouses don't even have operational washrooms! As far as I know most raves don't serve alcohol. That WOULD be illegal, because most of the people at raves are between age 15-25, sometimes even younger, like 13! There IS a lot of drug use at raves. There is always something on the news about people needing a liver transplant or dying because of Ecstasy and drug overdose. > Sounds interesting. If you get a chance, tell me more about raves. Sounds > like an interesting possibility.. then again.. there are these legal > aspects. Bring me up to speed if you can. What's the climate like in > Winnipeg for this stuff? Yes, raves would be a great way to get known. Usually the biggest "Technoheads" in the city go to raves! > >But now, I would kind of like to focus on promoting myself locally. People > >from various locations across the world have heard and downloaded my > >music, but really, there are very few people in Winnipeg, and even > >Manitoba for that matter, that have heard my music. That is why I would > >like to promote myself locally as well as on the internet. > > Good idea. What sorts of plans do you have so far, in that area? I don't really have too many plans yet for local publicity. I do want to contact the university stations and energy 91.1 fm because they play local stuff. I also would like to get in a gig sometime. My plan so far is to get any sort of publicity I can come across. > Really. What kinds of courses do you mean? I figured by now MOST schools > offered the same range of stuff. Will you have to travel further to get to > school? The school I attend now is just across the street, but if I go to Sturgeon it will be a ten minute busride away, doesn't matter too much I guess! Most schools DO offer the same courses as far as academic subject are concerned, but I am looking for specialized broadcasting or computer courses, that is what Sturgeon has, I am still sort of being pulled between broadcasting or computer programming and operating. It's a really tough choice for me. > Oh and while I think of it, what's the deal with how much payback you get > when someone listens to your sound online at MP3.com. I was reading an > interview tonight by the CEO of MP3.com. He was commenting on how musicians > get 'paid' for that. I guess that would come out of the ad revenue they > make on the site, right? When people listen to your music you can get paid. But nothing compared to CD sales! An mp3.com artist can get paid for the amount of listens they get, as long as they have 15 mininum. But even at 30 listens an artists would only get paid about 20 cents! You would need to get about 500 listens a day to make anything. But as I said, CD sales are the way to make money on mp3.com > I hear ya. I guess you must reach a point some times.. when you simply > aren't sure WHEN to stop tweaking a piece of music. Smile. That's right. I also made a remix of "Rain On Me" (one of the songs I get the most positive feedback on!), and now I am thinking which is better, the remix or the original? They are both REALLY good, but have very different element to them and I can't include both of them because I already have another "Rain On Me" remix going on the CD. (The remix that Strangeseed did!) That reminds me! I got an e-mail back from both Strangeseed, and O.P.I. (the guy who's voice I used in both Independant State and Ego The Truth). They both are letting me use the songs on the CD. So I am glad that is all worked out. > Sounds cool. What sort of voice does your friend have? Do he sing the punk > stuff too? Yeah he does some punk stuff, but mostly alternative, he also TRIES to rap. Note that I say TRIES to rap! It's really hard to rap, it may sound easy but it's NOT! > Was that someone named OPI? I'm being lazy. I'm not running to check. Yes. > Those were good. Smile. And yeah, I think it IS the Netherlands. Funny, > there seem to be a few musicians from the Netherlands.. Sweden, etc. You > have any idea why that it? Well actually I found that .ne WAS Netherlands, but he lives in Sweden. He had a internet service provider with something in Netherlands, but now has cable with a company in Sweden. Mmmmm... Cable that is something I could really use. I HATE my slow 56K connection! > Yes. I know. I listened to them the other day on MP3.com. And I've been to > your Insomiac's web site. I went through it quite a bit. That's where I > first contacted you from, remember? I haven't tried the other (one.. or > two..was it?) yet. I'll make some time to do that. Actually right now, as well as remixing a song from a guy from the 17 Cent Records, and writing another song, and working, and going to school, and this and that.... I am re-constructing my webpage at insomnia2k.tripod.com - I plan on making it look A LOT better, and more user friendly. It is going to have much smaller less ANNOYING fonts. It will look much more suttle, not LOUD and annoying as the current setup. I DO like the setup I have now, but a nicer one would be a lot better! It is going to take a while, it's not a top priority for me right now. But I will get it done, and it will look good, I hope! > This is what they keep telling me. Yet from the time I got out here, the > weather.. apparently has been usual. The first summer, it was lush and > green and the winters.. I've managed okay. I thought it would be worst. > That's what my friend kept telling me. Laugh. I'm still waiting. Actually in the past couple of years the winters have been pretty good. > >Remember when I said that I was going to post a message on the mp3.com > >boards about remixing one of my songs? Well I did get a reply, I sent him > >the samples needed to remix the song, and I have heard nothing since. > >That's the scary thing. The guy could have just taken off with the samples > >for one of my BEST songs and is going to steal them. > > Hmm.. now THAT'S a bit sucky. Be carefully, okay? > > >That is what happened to another guy I knew on mp3.com. I am going to > >e-mail him later and see whats up. I told him to reply to me when he got > >the samples, and to keep me posted on what was happening with the remix. > > Let me know what happens. I'm curious. Well, now I'm worried. I sent THREE messages to the guy, and he has not replied back. I told him that I would NOT include his song on the CD because it is taking him too long (he said he could remix it about 5 days - it's been 13 days), I still haven't heard anything, so I am going to forget about him. I just hope that hen doesn't take off with my song! I gave the remix project to a guy on the 17 Cent Records, I KNOW that I can trust him! That is why I am remixing one of his songs, it is sort of a remix trade thing. Also, Me and another guy (with totally different musical tastes) are going to remix the same song and see what the results are, I think that is kinda cool. > >I hope to get my CD done and ready VERY soon. I have jsut about everything > >ready to go. > > That's cool. Keep me posted on it, okay? Well, it's almost done now. I am just waiting for the remix to be done, it should be another couple of days. Then I have to wait for the songs and the CD to be verified on mp3.com - that could take a while (up to 5 days they said) I also checked out indiecentre.com. That is a REALLY good site. I am going to look more at it later. I also check out some of those other sites. Thanks! That should help me get some info on Indie music recording and production. Talk to ya... Bye! Chris From ???@??? Wed Mar 08 10:12:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 30285 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2000 05:13:16 -0000 Received: from law2-oe2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.106) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 8 Mar 2000 05:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21563 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Mar 2000 05:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000308050608.21561.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.6.188] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000226210827.00ae2740@mail.creatist.com><4.3.0.20000227001256.00ae99e0@mail.creatist.com><4.3.0.20000229191131.00ae89b0@mail.creatist.com> <4.3.0.20000304135133.00afb9a0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Hello... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:05:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello again! Once again this week has been very busy. I has also had many ups-and downs with the release of my CD, as well as some other interesting things that have happened this week. > Do you know a lot of guys your age that are into playing this kind of > music? Do you know a lot of guys in GENERAL who are into making their own > music? More than say, 10 years ago. I'm kinda curious as to whether things > like the internet and the cost of making one's own music is generally > increasing the number of people your age doing this sort of thing. Actually, I don't really know many people who are into writing music. I know A LOT of people that play many instruments, sing, are obseesed with music, but none of them really write much, just play other people's stuff. I guess that's alright. That's what I used to do too. There are a few people who I know that are into music, a guy I work with is really good at singing rap music. He does a lot of that. Also, this other guy I was telling you about, the one who wants to start up a band with me, he sings. Thing is he doesn't exactly has much ambition to do anything, and I am sort of busy with my solo stuff right now. Maybe soon I will do some music with this other guy, Jarred. > Hmm.. for the sake of argument, when has the music industry been any > different? Whether they started out in a neighbour as a group of singers or > they were "talent searched" into a group by a record producer, this kind of > stuff has existed FOREVER. If they can sing, if they have the flavour of > the month 'look' that the girls go gaga over, if they get a good > manager/promoter behind them to find them good songs to sing, good gigs to > play, and good promotion -- they make a living at it.. Making a living at him.... hmmmmm.... I guess that is what some artists are out there for. In my opinion, I don't care about being rich, all I care about is being famous. I want the world to hear my music, I don't really care about a big house with a BMW and a Viper. It would be nice of course, who wouldn't want that? But, to me my top priority is fame, not fortune. That seems sort of wierd, but it's true. If I had the choice of singing someone elses music and being rich or writing my own music and being famous and having the gratitude of knowing it's my own music, well... i'd choose choice number 2! > I'm not defending the music industry. I think it sucks, in general. I agree with that! :) > But it's been this way for a long time. And with the advent of video clips.. > you really ARE judged more for your looks. Which is dumb. Being pretty and > being musically talented have nothing to do with one another. I know.. it's a shame. Haven't you ever noticed that in the music industry, if you want to become famous and appeal to teens you have to be drop dead beautiful? You spend an hour watching Much Music you'll see that 95% of all the people on the videos are good looking, and if the artist isn't, their song isn't all that popular, and they usually aren't seen too much in the video. For that, I mean, music that appeals to teens. There are artist who image _IS_ to look ugly or less appealing (i.e. Rolling Stones, Maralyn Manson). But also, for electronic music, i've noticed that the artist is rarely seen in videos or on stage or anywhere for that matter! Is it because most electronic artists and DJs are ugly, I dought it muchly! But still , if you ever look at electronic music videos the artist is usually not seen. But I think that is also because of a sort of "secret" or "hidden" thing that electronic artist want to keep. They don't want to be esposed. If you want, look up "Daft Punk". They are one of the world's most popular electronic bands. Thomas Bangalter and Christos something-or-other (the band members) have rarely been seen by the world. They have managed to become internationally known by people who don't even like electronic music! I applaud the fact that they can become famous and appeal to teens without there faces being exposed. There are, of course, rumors that they are convicts or are like the Phantom of the Opera and have hideous faces! You should do a search on the internet. See if you can find a clear picture of the boys of Daft Punk. I dought you'll find a picture. But then again you might. I bought their CD. It has a couple of pictures of them. One is really un-clear. You can't really see their faces. The other is their baby pictures! Pictures of them when they are about 3 years old! > Lucianno Pavarotti is any less a talent cos all he does is sing? Or Frank > Sinatra? Not a good pick.. laugh... HE became a rather good actor. > My point is just.. there were GENERATIONS of people in the music industry > who did nothing but sing. I guess you are right. You do have a point there :) > But I can also understand YOUR frustration... as your style of music might > not turn up on the radio as frequently. The radio is such a narrow > bandwidth music-wise. THAT sucks. > > That again, is what makes the internet an interesting place to be.. eh? Yup, the internet certainly helps! But, as I have said before. Focusing in on small things, then widening is what I want to do! I want to get on a local radio station. That would REALLY help me out! I actually think I am very fortunate for having TWO radio stations that have radio shows on both friday and one on saturday that play electronic and techno music. I have done some travelling around Canada and the US. Very few cities have techno stations, or even electronic and techno radio shows. And especially the fact that the radio show plays a lot of local music, that poses as quite an advantage for me! > Which, en total, I think is absolutely cool. Keep at it. Nothing wrong with > doing it that way. ESPECIALLY cos you can. Imagine being able to create and > sell CDs the way you are doing right now.. til you are ninety. Cool...Smile. Yeah. I really do like being a total Indie artist! Nothing beats total freedom. I'm not tied down to any scheduals except for my own! > Uhmm.. are you saying.. for the most part... that raves consist of people > 'breaking in' to a place where they aren't supposed to be.. to have a gig? I'm not too sure about that. But I think so. I could look around the net for some info on that. You could too if you wanted some more info. > Hmmm....weird. Is it the 'thrill' of doing such a thing, do you think? A > teenage, thumb-your-nose-at-authority, kind of thing? Yeah, probably! > I mean.. if there WERE places to have these gigs... say the place was > somehow.. in some way PAID for.. permits.. PAID for.. > > would the same group show up for a rave.. do you think? I don't really know. As I say, I don't know many rave organizers or people who attend raves. > hey.. do they charge admission? Does the band make any music in any way? I think that they DO charge admission for raves, because people would pay for it! Also DJs or entertainers at raves are known for being paid up to $3000 for ONE rave. That's A LOT of cash! But, I think the majority of raves pay about $500 - $1000 per rave. That is still a LOT more than at a club. > Okay.. now dumb question. How do people find OUT about these raves? Purely > word of mouth? For the most part, yes! Well... the legal ones do advertise other ways. Energy 91.1 (the station that has the techno music show I told you about). Energy 91.1 often advertises certain raves. Also stating at the end of the ad that it is a LEGAL rave. I'm not sure if they HAVE to do that, or if it is just out of choice. But the illegal raves wouldn't advertise i'm sure. That would all be word of mouth. But, yes, probabably most raves would be advertised by word of mouth. > Sounds good. Throw some areas at me that you might be considering. I'd be > happy to do a little brainstorming for you if you want. Ideas... is my > THANG.. you could say. But give me some 'direction' you are going on this. > I'm not sure where I'd start.. as far as what you might be into. One website that I haven't really looked at is www.mywinnipeg.com. The other day I was thinking... hmmmm... I wonder if that website would have any useful info. The website is supposed to have hundres of directories and lists of different stores, events, concerts, hotels, anything you can think of. I should look on that site. I might find an organization or something that could help me. I do know that there are some out there. > How do you mean.. broadcasting? And how do YOU mean.. computer programming? > What would you take in school, if you could.. to do with these areas. Where > do you want it to take you? Well, i have sort of ruled out broadcasting. Now I want a career in either music or computers. I am planning to take a course next year that if I get the required credits and pass the exam I will get a Microsoft and Cisco diploma. With that there will be A LOT of job opportunities! This course will talk about the fundamentals of hardware and software programming, as well as networking, troubleshooting, and all sorts of other things. > How do MOST people go about getting 'listens' .. these days? In your view, > anyway? When you sign up for mp3.com your site automatically gets registered with all of the mp3.com search engines so you can be found by your name, song name, cd name, where you live, and all sorts of other ways. I usually have alot of people just stumble across my website and listen to my music. Well, I finished the remix of Kaden's song Bejja. Have you checked out his music yet? Really wierd stuff (it is at www.mp3.com/kaden) It's genre is Ambient. It is REALLY strange. It is pretty much undescribable, very unique though. Why don't you take a look. Also, by tommorow, or the next day my remix should be available, that you can check out if you want. I got some positive feedback on my remix from all of the 17 Cent crew as well as many thanks from Kaden! Now, there is also a webpage dedicated JUST for remixes of 17 Cent record artist's songs. > Hmm.. weird. Maybe he simply decided not to do it and couldn't be upfront > about it. Rather stupid, in MY view. I guess that wasn't the case! I finally go a reply from the guy. He said that he was busy all week and unable to go on the internet. He did however finish the remix. He uploaded it to mp3.com and it should be available for me to download tommorow. That way I can get it ready for my CD. I am done redoing my website. You can check it out at http://insomnia2k.tripod.com . I think it looks much neater now. Less mess with the fonts! I used arial and verdana for most of the fonts. My website also has MUCH more information on myself and the Lord Of Progression music. Tonight I did a lot on my CD. I timed all the tracks. Made sure I had under 60 minutes. I also made some adjustments to some songs. I made sorter versions of some songs, took out some unnessecary parts. I plan to release my CD on either the 21st or the 28th. That is what Justin Peace, the guy who runs 17 Cent Records, told me to do. Since Kaden wanted to release his CD now, we decided to release them about 2 weeks apart. I told Kaden he could go first because I still had a lot of work to do on the CD, and Kaden was already done his CD. Right now, actually, I am uploading the CD version of Rain On Me. I just worked on it tonight. I think it sound REALLY good now. I am also, while typing this email, listening to my music. Just sort of looking it over, seeing if any of the songs aren't that good, and don't really need to be on this album. I hope this email sends okay because when uploading to mp3.com, the mp3.com server uses just about all of my modem's power for the upload, meaning that the uplaod is FAST, but it slows down anything else that involves the modem. SO I hope this message sends right. Oohhhh, wait. I won't have to worry about, the upload is complete! Talk about perfect timing! Talk to ya later. By the way, If I get any info on raves and what legal and what's not I'll give you the URL. I am also curious about the legality of raves. Goodbye. Chris From ???@??? Tue Feb 29 14:50:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 2152 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 18:54:16 -0000 Received: from law2-oe39.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.36) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 18:54:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 99714 invoked by uid 65534); 29 Feb 2000 18:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229185333.99713.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.17.154] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" Subject: Hello... Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:53:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF82B3.F6E93A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600
Yup! 17 Cents have helped me a lot, JP (Justin Pease) the owner has done a
lot of promoting for me and the other nine members of 17 Cent Records.

Also about the Twoonie. That is too bad that the people are so unorganized
because they could really make a lot more out of it if they put their whole
ass in it (so to speak ;) )
$150 - $200 for one gig is pretty good, for someone like me who has never
done a gig before! That would be really cool to do a gig, because in
Winnipeg I'm not to sure of any places that would do that sort of thing,
except recreation centers, or cultural centers, all the rest I would have to
be +18 to get in even... I guess doing schools would be pretty cool, that
way I can connect with people my own age, and share my music....
I guess the thing about Brandon is, well I don't know much about it, but
there probably aren't as many techno fans as winnipeg, because there is a
smaller population there, and techno fans would make up a VERY small portion
of that population :(
And I think that the most depressing thing is to play a gig and have only
five people show up, and of those five, three of them are to drunk to know
what they're are listening to!  Still however, a gig is a gig, and for me,
that is something I have never done before.
If I were to ever do a gig anywhere it would have to be done using
turntables and a keyboard, since my music has little vocals, but ther are
up-sides to that. Something I have found is that when I see DJs spinning
using turntables there is always that crowd of people by the DJ booth, that
is kinda cool in my opinion.

I will be releasing my CD in the next couple of weeks (I had intially
planned it's release date to be Feb 29th, but that won't be happening!) . I
am working on the CD version of the song "Beyond..." But when I think of it
more, I'm not sure if there is much point perfecting that song, I seem to be
Remixing it more than I am perfecting it, and anyway everybody tells me that
the song IS THE BEST! But for some reason I really have to disagree! I think
it needs A LOT of work. Could you please tell me what you think? The song is
at www.mp3.com/lordofprogression - I really need some help figuring out what
to do, I am pulled between my own judgement and the judgement of others....
hmmmm what to do, eh? Also, have you ever heard of the song Summer In The
City by The Lovin' Spoonful? My dad likes all those oldies and he downloaded
that song, and I listened to it and I though... cool, I could do a really
good remix of this! So I am now starting to remix the song in sort of a
hip-hop B-boy breakdance beat song. It is really up-beat and has a really
cool bassline that makes my sub-woofer just about vibrate off the desk!
Problem with that is, I played the song with the subwoofer turned down and
the song seems a bit distorted in the hi-bass spots, and a lot of people
don't have really big sterios to play the music on and in that case the song
would end up sounding like total distorted crap! However, I don't plan on
releasing that remix because, plain and simple, it's a big scary remix, and
the last thing I want to do is run into legal problems. So I plan to remix
that song, and keep it to myself for awhile.

Talk to ya later, Bye!
 From ???@??? Tue Feb 22 17:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 6087 invoked by alias); 22 Feb 2000 23:38:25 -0000 Delivered-To: hallie@onramp.armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 6084 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2000 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from spleen.armchair.mb.ca (HELO spleen) (198.163.115.68) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 23:38:25 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000222173824.01f4b6c0@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:38:24 -0600 To: hallie From: Dave Voorhis Subject: How to succeed in the music industry. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cynical and from a Brit point of view, but entertaining: http://www.cybersight.com/~todd/klf/the-manu.txt From ???@??? 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We do received a lot of submissions, however we do listen to everything we receive so please be patient. If you'd like to submit something to us please send your demo to: East Coast Music Publishing P.O. Box 12 Westport, MA. 02790-0012 Joerecords.com Seeking the Unusual We are looking for compilations, ethnic and unusual music for our on-line record company. It is a brand new company that will specialize and actively promote not only ourselves but the artist. joerecords is interested in music that has no boundaries and in offering services that are exclusive to the record company. (See site for more information) If you are interested, please feel free to contact by email. katehart@joerecords.com ********************************************************************* Musicimports.com has over 500,000 import titles and 400,000 track listings on thousands of record labels from around the world. We specialize in collectibles and hard to find titles. We have all types of music from rock to pop, jazz, classical, alternative and the more obscure music forms. We import from Japan, Australia, UK, Spain, Germany, Netherlands and South America. Check out our generous affiliate program offering $3.00 on all CD's / LP'S/VIDEOS/ DVD'S and $2.00 on all singles sold from your website or homepage. Check it out at: http://www.musicimports.com Cool Software! There is a new software package that is designed for Press Releases. It called Media Magnet. This software comes preloaded with over 12,000 media contacts. You compose your release and pick which type of media you want to send to. This software makes it real easy to get the word out about your band. I just sent a release about Zebra Music to over 2,000 radio stations and 2,400 daily newspapers. Check it out at: http://www.mediamagnetpro.com/media/1280.html I have just found out about a wonderful Tip Sheet for songwriters called the Parade Of Stars. This Tip Sheet is one of Americas oldest and most respected music information source. If you are trying to break into writing songs for artist, I highly recommend a subscription to this service. The owner of this publication is Chuck Chellman; he is a great guy and has been doing this Tip Sheet for the past 26 years! If you have the music, Chuck has the connections to get it placed on an album. Check it out on the web at: http://www.paradeofstars.com or email Chuck directly at: paradeofstars@home.com. Tell him Steve from Zebra Music sent you! ********************************************************************* Here is my catalog of special reports and services that I have to offer. All of these come with a money back guarantee and they all can help you get ahead of your competition in this crazy business we call the music business. The reports will be send out to you in hard copy form. Two easy ways to order: 1. Print out the order form mark what you would like and snail mail it back to me at the address below. Or 2.Go to my web page and order with your credit card via secure server. Follow the link to the services section of my web page at: http://www.zebramusic.com The Advance Your Musical Career Home Study Seminar A revolutionary new approach to the music business that will systematically supercharge your musical career. Learn a gigging strategy will transform your band into a top drawing act which will allow you to perform at the best clubs in the headline slots on Fri. & Sat. nights. Break into the college market and make $500 to $1,500 per gig. Learn techniques to get your music on the radio. Learn promotional tactics to get your band written about in newspapers and magazines. Find a personal manager that will work with your act. Also Learn: How to get an equipment endorsement. How to layout a killer press kit, inexpensively. Tips to enhance teamwork within your band. How to write an effective press release. Publishing, what it is and how it works. How to perform pre-production. How to find a producer. Tips to save 50% to 75% on magazine ads. Techniques to get heavily discounted recording studio time. How to convince a booking agent to work with your act. And much, much, more! The seminar comes on six 90 minute cassette tapes and a one hundred twenty three page workbook. Also included is six months of FREE technical phone support to answer any questions you might have about the seminar. That's nine hours of instructional tips and ideas to advance your musical career! Order the seminar today which includes six 90 minute cassettes and a 123 page workbook for $69.95. Order online at: http://www.zebramusic.com/sem.html SR#1- Music Business Plan This report will put your act on the fast track of making money in the music business. Included is a powerful seven step guide directing you how to make your act a huge success. Learn informative information about budget forecasting, image, discounted recording time, the media, marketing and evaluation. Six pages for $6.99 SR#2- Gigging Strategies Stopped get ripped off by stingy club owners! This report will show you how to find the secret money making gigs. How to find and convince agents to work with you. Ideas and tips that you can easily be doing right now to draw more people to your shows. Also there is revealing information of how to break into the college market. Seven pages for $6.99 SR#3- Promotion Learn how your act can get free exposure through the press, radio, TV and internet markets. Also contained is confidential information about advertising that the press doesn't want you to know. Learn all about flyers and how to design them to maximize your promotional dollar. This report will also show you how to write a professional press release that will get results. Seven pages for $6.99 SR#4- Rehearsal This informative report will improve your bands rehearsals. It contains practical information on efficiency, rehearsal structure, working out difficult parts, techniques and resolving conflicts. Also included are useful details about how to set up a room for rehearsal and soundproofing. Seven pages for $6.99 SR#5- Press Kit Your Press Kit is one of the best tools to promote your band. This report will show you exactly what to include in your kit and how to design it cost effectively. Learn how you can easily make your kit stand out from the crowd. Also included is exclusive industry information on the one item your kit should have in it, although most don't. Five pages for $5.99 SR#6 - Recording You must have a quality recording of your act if you want to advance your musical career. Learn the seven steps involved in recording. This report will teach you all about: pre-production, working with a producer, finding a studio and more. Also, learn secret techniques that will get you free or discounted recording time at major studios! Five pages for $5.99 SR#7 - Getting a Record Deal Securing a record deal is often one of the hardest things to accomplish for musicians. This report will teach you proven techniques of successful major label acts and what they did to get there. Also, learn about the many types of industry professionals who can help shop your demo. Six pages for $5.99 Club Press & Radio Guide A large directory of Clubs, Press and Radio stations. This thirty three page guide was compiled by many musicians across the United States that live in each city covered. The guide will give you specific clubs which they recommend to play as well as indie friendly Press and Radio stations which will give your act exposure. Thirty three pages $14.99 Tip Sheet Classified Ad (For Musicians) Place a 30 word ad in the next Tip Sheet. Find that missing player, advertise that you are looking for a gig, sell equipment ect... The Tip Sheet currently has over 3,000 subscribers. This rate is for Musicians Only! Remember, The Tip Sheet will be archived at my web site for one year! $5 Tip Sheet Text Ad (For All Other Advertisers) Text ads will be placed in the body of the Tip Sheet which will insure high visibility for your ad (30 word maximum). This rate applies to all other advertisers other than musicians. $15 Banner Ads Advertise your band or business at my web site. I will place your banner ad hot linked to your site for one month for only $14.99. If you would like to find out information about the traffic my site has been attracting Email me and I will be happy to supply that to you. If you have an image you would like displayed, Email me the URL. If you do not have an image, provide me with the words that you would like and I will make a custom banner for you. Remember to include the URL that you would like your banner ad to be hot linked to. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Order Form ____ The Advance Your Musical Career Home Study Seminar $69.95 +$5 Shipping in U.S., $10 International ____ SR#1 Music Business Plan $6.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#2 Gigging Strategies $6.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#3 Promotion $6.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#4 Rehearsal $6.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#5 Press Kits $5.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#6 Recording $5.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ SR#7 Record Deal $5.99 Free shipping in the U.S., $1 International ____ Club Press & Radio Guide $14.99 + $1 shipping in the U.S., $2 International ____ Classified AD (Musicians Rate) $5 ____ Text Ad (Advertisers Rate) $14.99 ____ Banner AD $14.99 Shipping & Handling _____________ Total _______________________ Your Information: Name:__________________________________________ Address:________________________________________ City/State/Zip:____________________________________ Email:__________________________________________ ___ Visa ___ Mastercard Phone Number:__________________________________ Card No:_______________________________________ Exp. Date:______________________________________ Name on card:___________________________________ Signature:_______________________________________ Send to : Zebra Music PO Box 7175 Chandler, AZ 85246-7175 Make all checks or money orders out to Zebra music. Make sure you include postage if you would like your demo and press kit material returned to you. Thanks! Steve Veloudos From ???@??? Wed Mar 01 12:00:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 21920 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 16:16:42 -0000 Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (209.161.0.35) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 16:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27213 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 09:13:37 -0700 Received: from ts7-34.phx.cyberhighway.net (HELO 8) (209.151.37.105) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 09:13:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000301085944.0079de10@cyberhighway.net> X-Sender: mailhost@cyberhighway.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:59:44 -0700 To: zebra@cyberhighway.net From: Steve V Subject: Changes to the Tip Sheet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attention Musicians Tip Sheet subscriber: The Musicians Tip Sheet will be going through some BIG changes. Firstly it will no longer be sent in a monthly format. The "tips" will now be sent on a shorter more frequent fashion as information becomes available to me. This change should help get time censitive information to you as quickly as possible which was very hard to do in a monthly format. You may recieve a few messages per week or a few per month dependent on the information that becomes available to me. The secound big change is that the Tip Sheet will now be hosted by Egroups. YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN SOLD OR GIVEN TO ANYONE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FASHION. I want to be totally clear on this point. The moderator of the Tip Sheet (myself) is the only one that can post to the group so you will not recieve any strange emails and/or spam as a result. Egroups will simply help me distribute the Tip Sheet in an easier way. The Tip Sheet has over 3,000 subscibers so it is no longer easy to produce it manually (very time consuming). If you you would like to check out the Egoups privacy rules goto: http://www.egroups.com/info/privacy.html Thanks for your support on this, and I think that you will find the information is even more valuable in this new format. Steve Veloudos ****************************************************** The Musicians Tip Sheet A free monthly newsletter for musicians which includes many industry contacts, informative information and interviews with music business professionals. To subscribe mailto:tip@zebramusic.com with the words "subscribe tip-05" in the body of the message. Zebra Music Web Site http://www.zebramusic.com An information depot for musicians featuring hundreds of Industry Contacts, the Gig Sharing Network, archived issues of the Musicians Tip Sheet, Music FAQ's, Music Chat, The Musician Discussion List and many Cool Links to help your musical act. Zebra Music Helping Musicians Survive! From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 10:06:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 23364 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 15:52:58 -0000 Received: from mv.egroups.com (207.138.41.150) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 15:52:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: musicians-tipsheet-return-2-hallie=creatist.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.20] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2000 15:52:37 -0000 Received: (listserv 315); by q6; 07 Mar 2000 15:52:34 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-musicians-tipsheet@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30890 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 15:51:00 -0000 Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (209.161.0.35) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 15:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28669 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 08:50:58 -0700 Received: from ts6-43.phx.cyberhighway.net (HELO cyberhighway.net) (209.151.37.64) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 08:50:58 -0700 Message-ID: <38C52524.9BDD4C29@cyberhighway.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:49:57 -0700 From: Steve Veloudos Organization: Zebra Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) To: aaaMusicians Tip Sheet Mailing-List: contact musicians-tipsheet-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: musicians-tipsheet@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: Reply-To: musicians-tipsheet@egroups.com Subject: [musicians-tipsheet] 03/07 Musicians Tip Sheet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Bomba Seeking Submissions for New Film Feature Film Producers/Director: Paul Nicholas Music Supervisor: Tim Bomba Status: In Post Starring: James Caan, Kirsten Dunst, Luis Guzman Several Scenes in Vegas Strip Club: Seeking an Industrial Rock song ala NIN Closer with explicit sexual references in the lyrics and a similar tempo to Closer. Other scenes need 100-120 BPM for the girls to dance to in the club. If submitting a slower tempo piece make sure its seductive in nature. Tim suggests spending a few hours at a strip club to get some ideas. Several Driving Scenes in the desert outside of Vegas: Car radio scenes from Rockabilly to Pop Alternative. This would be a radio station that has an diverse open format. Electronica: A mid to up tempo, edgy, high tension electronica track ala Prodigy. 50s Jukebox Music: A contemporary 50s-style diner ala Johnnie Rockets where the jukebox selectors are in every booth. Again the music can span three decades but Rock, Rockabilly, Country and Pop would be a good starting point. Romantic Pop Alternative: Slow to mid-tempo, preferably with a female vocal. Composer: This is an action-drama romance. Synopsis: An offbeat romance as well as a cautionary tale. Lidda (Dunst), an 18 year old from Oklahoma at a crossroads in her life searches for her father (Caan) in the gritty world of gamblers, con men, killers and above all, romance,....Las Vegas . Please send submissions Attention: Tim Bomba 3915 Scandia Way Los Angeles, CA 90065 lalabomba@earthlink.net tel/fax (323) 256-5499 ******************************* Deadline for Submissions for Atlantis Music Conference Nearing As the third annual Atlantis Music Conference draws near, the first deadline for band submissions is already upon us. Bands can still get their packages in for the lowest submittal price of $15, if postmarked by March 1st. After the success and media exposure of the past two conferences, packages have been pouring into the Atlantis office! Due to the huge response, this year's Listening Committee of industry professionals, club owners, writers, and music lovers to name a few, is finalizing plans to begin the listening process. The final deadline for all band submissions is April 15, 2000. Complete applications packages should include a signed and dated application form, one cassette or CD of original material (3 song minimum) with the artist name and contact information clearly indicated, photo and/or press kit, and the application fee. Submission Prices $15 until March 1st $20 until April 1st $25 until April 15th Online Submissions $30 - visit http://www.atlantismusic.com and submit today! ******************************* Proclaim Music Distribution is seeking Christian Rap music and Contemporary Gospel music to distribute. If you have quality completed masters, We will also do Pressing and Package duplication. Please send samples of your product to the following address: PMD c/o J. Keyes P.O. Box 1314 Winter Park, FL 32790-1314 Send questions to jkeyes@bellsouth.net If you would like your product returned to you, send a self addressed stamped envelope. Everyone will receive a response (please enclose a e-mail address if you have one). ******************************* IUMA Kicks Off MusicOMania IUMA, ( http://www.iuma.com ), the Internet's first digital download site, today announced the start of "MusicOMania," ( http://www.musicomania2000.com ) the country's largest college band talent search contest. The contest involves 100 college campuses nationwide and will last through April 29th. "We know there are other Battles of the Bands," commented Antony Brydon, IUMA General Manager, "but none have generated the size, scope and campus participation that we have with MusicOMania." In the MusicOMania contest, students are given the opportunity to vote for their school's best band at a school wide "battle of the bands" or online. Winners at each school advance by challenging competing bands at other schools in regional online voting. Four finalists will compete on April 29, 2000 at the legendary San Francisco Fillmore opening for alternative music pioneers, Primus. The national champion will receive cash and prizes in excess of $25,000. Students are given the opportunity to vote online ( http://www.musicomania2000.com ), or in person at each venue. ******************************* -- The Musicians Tip Sheet A free newsletter for musicians which includes many industry contacts and informative information about the music industry. To subscribe please send an email to: mailto:musicians-tipsheet-subscribe@egroups.com Zebra Music Web Site http://www.zebramusic.com An information depot for musicians featuring hundreds of Industry Contacts, The Gig Sharing Network, The Musicians Tip Sheet, Industry Interviews, Music FAQ's, Music Chat, The Musician Discussion List and many Cool Links to help your musical act. Zebra Music Helping Musicians Survive! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: musicians-tipsheet-unsubscribe@eGroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start your own free email group on eGroups. http://click.egroups.com/1/1882/2/_/723062/_/952444355/ -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=musicians-tipsheet&m=1 From ???@??? Fri Mar 10 09:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 31696 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 15:55:22 -0000 Received: from smtp1.mts.net (205.200.16.74) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 15:55:22 -0000 Received: from home1 (b-42-230-res1.mts.net [209.202.42.230]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08500; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:54:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003101554.JAA08500@smtp1.mts.net> X-Sender: ken@mail.bookfiles.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:34 -0600 To: info@bookfiles.com From: one trick pony Subject: news you can abuse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ___________________________________________ one trick pony 2000/03/10 Hey all, Just a quick note to let anyone interested know what's happening with the band. We've been sticking local, working on new songs, playing the occasional show. We had a couple of great ones in February, and we've got a couple more coming up. Most notably for those of you in Winnipeg or surrounding area, we'll be at the West End Cultural Center on April the 8th with Guy Smiley and (hopefully?) a new band that's apparently formed from ex-members of 12Eyes. On the recording front, we're *almost* ready to start putting some tracks down, but with a very busy spring ahead, we may not get anything out to the public until early summer. With any luck, we will have some demo stuff on the website (URL below) in mp3 format long before then. Speaking of websites, ours has become grossly outdated. We are going to be updating it with our spring shows, some new pictures, mp3s, etc., but it won't be for a couple more weeks. In the meantime, you can check out the old stuff at: http://flatbroke.netshelf.com/otp Also, be sure to go check out Another Joe and AFPS on March 24 @ the Park CC. Should be a fun-packed evening! Anyway, that about does it for now. Its been a Looooong time since I've mailed this list, so everybody send me a reply and let me know who's alive out there. Ken and the gang from one trick pony ___________________________________________ This message is being sent to you because at one time you did something very, very bad. If you never want to receive another one of these messages, just hit 'reply' and put 'remove' or 'screw off' or 'I'm calling my lawyer' in the subject header. From ???@??? 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I have made a number of very small changes to my pages.  I would appreciate it if you could proofread them for me.
 
Thanks,
D.
 
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Photographer / Sound Engineer                     Visit my online photo portfolio at
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 From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 19:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 29609 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 00:15:03 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 00:15:03 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.47.72]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA1242 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:09:54 -0600 Message-ID: <001301bf8bb7$be50b6e0$482fc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" Subject: site idea Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:12:48 -0600 Organization: dMS / Smaointeach MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8B85.687B8560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Take a look at iMDB.  www.imdb.com
 
Tell me what you think of their site.  Do some searches.  Tell me what you think of their content and organisation systems.
 
 
 
Concept:
The imusicdb .. the internet music database.
 
* No mp3s on the site (potentially could be linked to them elsewhere)
* artist info from discography to producer credits etc. down to biographical (same as iMDB's profiles of actors, producers etc.)
* Full info on albums (where it was recorded, who worked on it both musically and technically, dates, etc. just like film info on imdb)
* Links to outside info (band pages, fan clubs, official sites)
* user-contributed data (self policing; the imdb works this way and is excellent 99% of the time)
 
etc. etc.
 
What do you think?
 
 
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Photographer / Sound Recordist & Tech             photo portfolio at
A+ Certified Computer Tech             http://www.armchair.mb.ca/dex
 From ???@??? Tue Mar 14 20:36:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 7757 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from wpg-06.escape.ca (198.163.232.249) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from home (mx2dl068.brandon.escape.ca [205.200.235.68]) by wpg-06.escape.ca (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26042 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:16:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004201bf8e13$9e3a31c0$8bebc8cd@home> From: "Derek BF Gunnlaugson" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000314164421.00afe7e0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Thoughts... (resending) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:06:49 -0600 Organization: dMS [dex Media Services] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Is there such a thing as a musician search engine? > www.musenet.com .. musicians and techs. There are several, in fact. I just usually visit them once and never go back (me revisiting a site is quite rare, actually). > I was thinking about that idea of offering a service -- similar to the > current trendy but sleazy small business consultant model of offering to > register your business with a load of search engines. Our next door > neighbour was a good example of that. Jim Pryke was one of a few that offer > such a service to them. > > They didn't even seem to realize... they could do it themselves (to a > certain extent) but anyway.. > > My point is a lot of people still believe you need this service and that > you need to find things by way of using a search engine. (You know, people > ask us at creatist why we aren't listed on a search engine.. that sort of > thing) > > I wonder.. if it doesn't already exists.. if we could create one and offer > to put people on it? We could use that "narrow focus" point you made about > forums.. granted, this isn't very narrow.. just narrowed to the "music." > > We could treat it like a Yahoo portal.. in a sense.. and also add content. > > Not really any DIFFERENT an idea. Just different packaging, per se. > Hmm. Yes, that could work. There are LOTS of sites out there that can take your info from a single form and put you on 20 search engines at once... but as far as specific things like this go, no, I've never seen it. I don't think I'm quit getting the full grasp of your idea, actually. D. From ???@??? Tue Mar 14 20:36:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 7761 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 00:16:18 -0000 Received: from wpg-06.escape.ca (198.163.232.249) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 00:16:18 -0000 Received: from home (mx2dl068.brandon.escape.ca [205.200.235.68]) by wpg-06.escape.ca (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26049 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:16:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004301bf8e13$9f824220$8bebc8cd@home> From: "Derek BF Gunnlaugson" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000314164148.00afbec0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: More on Music web site resource site - resending Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:12:53 -0600 Organization: dMS [dex Media Services] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Another way would be to find all the good resource web sites as you've > suggested we'd need.. > Okay, assuming we have the time... ;) > And create a Web ring. > > You said, in your experience, most Web rings don't have a lot to offer. > So let's create one that does. > We could STILL eventually augment content as we create it. > > But that, in a very quick fashion.. solves your issue of having that prime > information all in one place. Think of it as a 'Dynamic Bookmark or set of > bookmarks.' > > If no one else is spearheading such a thing, we could. Though I imagine > ENOUGH of these resource web sites are attempting to pool resources. They > might just not be including as many of the components you have suggested in > one place -- like this web ring idea. I'm not against ideas like this. The problem with webrings is that they are a bit too.. random? It's not like a search engine in that you'll get lots of what you don't want (ie. search for politics and get porn), but... Oh, I don't know. I find webrings soemwhat annoying at times. It just seems so hard to find the really good stuff on them. Which means that if we were to do something like this, we'd have to make sure EVERY site that got added had content worth reading. The trouble here is in trying to avoid becoming on of those pages with 1,500 links to other stuff.. you get to the page, and you're like, "Wow, a gold mine of resources!" But then you start clicking, and half the links are dead, and a quarter suck, and the person[s] maintaining it lose motivation because it got so big that they can't [be bothered to] handle it anymore. The structure is the really important thing. I keep going back to homerecording.com.. it's a fantastic site, in many ways. People USE the forums there. They don't use them like idiots, either. And the content is almost ALL useful. And it's reasonably well-organised. This is one reason I hate my own web page. It's certainly gotten better, but for the most part the layut/organisation just sucks rocks. Anyway. D. From ???@??? Wed Mar 15 15:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10510 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 20:53:29 -0000 Received: from wpg-06.escape.ca (198.163.232.249) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 20:53:29 -0000 Received: from home (mx2dl104.brandon.escape.ca [205.200.235.104]) by wpg-06.escape.ca (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16701 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:53:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01bf8ec0$77678040$68ebc8cd@home> From: "Derek BF Gunnlaugson" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000314225958.00ae9b20@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: Just coming up for air.. mostly cos I just remembered this.. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:53:05 -0600 Organization: dMS [dex Media Services] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Have a musician's search engine and somewhere.. as a part of the search > results... have a surfer's rating of the site. > > Do any search engines have search results with ratings (by the surfer who > has BEEN to the site) IN the search results? > I guess this is part of how sites like Miningco.com work. People join it, as volunteers in most cases, and take care of looking for good pages in a specific topic area. Difference is that only one or two people rate the pages in that case. Question is, how do you take care of that? Get everyone to sign up and login, then do ratings? The ratings thing can really get out of control. Most people won't vote (it takes three extra cicks and a thought..) so the results get VERY skewed by those few users who DO vote. Suddenly you have three sites getting all the traffic, whether they deserve it or not, simply because they got voted on. > If we find we have a lot of reviewers... as it were.. we stick em on a > forum and let them talk about that particular site.. if they aren't already > talking about it somewhere. > Okay.. keep going... > I notice how Amazon.com and MP3.com (MP3.com...hmm.. I think) offer you a > chance to rate/review a book / piece of music. > iMDB does it, too. You can rate any film you can look up. You can also make corrections on the information presented without it being a big hassle. And if you sign up on iMDB you login when you get to the site, and it keeps track of what you've voted on. Similar ideas, no? > How about getting all these musician's sites ON this music search engine > and don't just have some "guide" or "editor" tossing out thoughts about a > section or subject... > Just like iMDB. > So not only do we have a musician's focus search engine.. we have some > feedback on the site.. right IN the search results. > > yeah.. yeah..yeah.. I'm sure I'm missing a million details... > No, not really. You don't HAVE to overcomplicate it. > But it combines the thought of a survey site/ a ratings site / a what's the > best site for THIS kind of information?.. in some bunch of people's view / > and a search engine. > Like I said, Miningco.com sort of works this way. > Oh and the idea of a web ring.. is NOT to collect every Tom, Dick and Harry > of a web site.. with the attending maintenance and dead links... Create a web ring of GOOD sites.. for each subject you've mentioned wanting to have at your fingertips. The idea is to GIVE _you_.. what you asked for. That one-stop-shopping place for all your musician needs.. as you described to me. Such as the marketing of musicians web ring of sites we talked about here at Armchair... You could have an A-Team, B-team, C-team, this genre, that focus, mix....of web rings.... not just one. > Indeed. Have one for techinfo, one for equipment, one for instruments, one for musicians (in general) etc. etc... > Like selling cars. Offer luxury models, economy models, upwardly mobile > (can't quite afford this but know I need it) models of web ring sites. > Indeed. From ???@??? Sat Mar 25 17:32:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 30627 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 23:28:56 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 23:28:56 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.40]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA1472; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:23:47 -0600 Message-ID: <007301bf96b1$b2da6c20$28ebc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Gunnlaugson, Terry" Subject: BPD Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:27:29 -0600 Organization: dMS / Smaointeach MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF967F.65CB52A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
I think you might find these interesting.
I think I may have found myself.  Read on.
 
 
 
 
 
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 From ???@??? Sat Mar 25 20:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 6218 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2000 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from mail.nt-01.escape.ca (HELO nt-01.techplus.com) (216.81.16.1) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 26 Mar 2000 02:00:03 -0000 Received: from samuel ([205.200.235.45]) by nt-01.techplus.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42902U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA1169 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:54:57 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01bf96c6$d0cdc320$2debc8cd@samuel> From: dex@techplus.com (Dex) To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000325174100.00af2bd0@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Re: BPD Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:58:42 -0600 Organization: dMS / Smaointeach MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF9694.8569E8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Sure I've thought I was 'borderline' before.  I'd heard/read my various docs mention in more than once, including during my hospitalisations.  But I'd never actually read anything about it.
 
Reading through the diagnostic criteria and self-descriptions people had left on various sites was like listening to my parents describe me. 
Thinking back on all the tales I've spun for doctors, counsellors, psychologists, girls I was trying to pick up (or scare away), I could instantaeously piece together the entire critera with ONLY the way I think/talk about things.  It was frightening.  It was like wondering if aliens exist all your life, then one day turning around to see a UFO land in your yard.  All you can do is stand there; there's no fear, and likewise no excitement, just the reassuring confidence that what you're seeing is real, and the question has finaly been answered.
 
To be honest, this makes me a bit pissed off at my doctor.
 
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Things are OK here.  Running as smoothly as usual, which basically means neither of us has killed the other yet.
 
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Shust pisses me off.  The guy is just so fucking stupid, and so fucking offensive.  I would LOVE to know there was something concrete to get on him; I'd turn him in for his pedophilia in half a second. 
 
"Hello, crime stoppers."
"Hello, RCMP Brandon detachment."
 
I'd love to see him go down.  In front of some people I'm quite willing (in certain frames of mind) to openly discuss things like my masturbation habits and my opinion of cunnilingus, but this guy just takes the cake.  Rather than focussing on a detail (fetishism) he just keeps yammering about how much he lusts 15 year-olds. 
And he goes on to make us both watch his videotaped clips of underage girls skiing et al. 
 
I would so love to ram a lamp up his ass and plug it in.
 
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Anyway.  ttyl.
 
D.
 
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 From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 10:37:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 10399 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 01:35:02 -0000 Received: from law2-oe44.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.180.41) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 01:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 6462 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Mar 2000 01:34:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000317013430.6461.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.81.17.102] Reply-To: "Chris Komus" From: "Chris Komus" To: "Heather" References: <4.3.0.20000308151540.00af1390@mail.creatist.com> <4.3.0.20000312110507.00ae3b30@mail.creatist.com> Subject: Hello Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:33:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello again! > Okay.. now, question. Do you mean you simply want to put that project on > the back burner? If so.. yes.. take it off the site. Keeping the site clean > also means removing bits that you don't plan to add to anytime soon. Yes that is what I plan on doing. I will probably move all the stuff that I don't plan on updating to my other webiste (my personal website.) The other website has more of the personal stuff. It is a website that I designed mainly for me and my friends, and I think that it got 2 hits in the last 4 weeks. Nobody ever sees that website mainly because I just don't put the effort into advertising it. The site really only has a few things on it, and it is not really well designed. I will probably move all the video game stuff to that site. When I first started my main website I had all the reviews and game stuff and only a little bit on Lord Of Progression. It started as my personal site, so that is why I started up another website that would have all my personal stuff on it. So it probably make more sense to put the reviews and game stuff on the other site. That way I can dedicate my main website to Lord Of Progression and my music. I'll probably start the moving soon, maybe after the CD release. I'll probably have a lot of time to do that on Spring Break (only five more days of school until then!) > Keep em interested. Keep em coming back for new experiences. This is all > about YOU. It doesn't have to be limited to ONE aspect of your personality. > You don't have to pigeonhole yourself, remember? Not like the major labels > end up making you. BE a complete experience. Hmmmm... major labels... that reminds me! Not too long ago I was thinking long and hard about record labels and if I would ever want to be a part of one. I was thinkng about that newsletter you forwarded to me, about that article about the indie guy. That artical I think inspired me to stay independant. WHen I think about it, I don't really like the thought of having all the pressure and lack of control in a record company. By lack of control I mean not being able to do what I feel I want to do. Being an indie I have total freedom. I get to release what songs I want, when I want, and how I want. THe CD I also got to release when I wanted, and I got to do everything myself (CD cover, songs, etc.). It is a lot of hard work, but that is good for me. I like being in charge. I don't have somebody to design the cover for me, someone to promotee me, someone to take care of releasing the music, etc. I gotta do all that on my own, but I like the control. I don't think that I would want to be a part of a record company telling me what to do all the time. I might be sounding a bit stubborn, but I don't intent to sound that way, I just like being a TOTAL artist, know what I mean? I do everything. I don't just sit around and get handed a sheet of music followed by a guy saying "sing this..."! Maybe someday I might have someone doing some stuff for me if I ever get too busy, but for now I like to do things myself. However, if a record deal ever came along where I thought that I would be getting a lot out of it, I would probably go for it! > Think about it. Once they buy your CD, what next? You gotta keep em coming > back. That what I was thinking about.... keeping them to come back. After extensive thought on that I realized something. Why don't I release a remix album? It would be an album with ALL remixes of my most popular songs. This way people can buy a CD with the originals of my songs (that will be the CD i am releasing soon) and in May or June I could release this remix CD so that they have something new to listen to. I don't think that I would have enough new music to put on a full length CD by then but a remix CD would work out fine, just as long as I get enough people to remix my stuff. But I wouldn't worry about that becuase when I put up a message on the bullentin boards on mp3.com about remixing one of my songs I got a reply in less than an hour. So far I haven't really said anything about my idea. I definitely haven't put anything up on my mp3.com page because I am still not sure of the details yet (i haven't even released my first album yet and I don't really want to get ahead of myself yet). But so far it's just an idea (a really good idea that I hope to act on VERY very soon!) > Actually, if you are sure you are setting the default link colours when you > create these Web pages, I should see the same coloured links as you. Check > to be sure YOUR defaults -- the ones you set up in the Web pages -- really > are SET. You may just be looking at Front Page through YOUR Windows > defaults and you've maybe applied no NEW defaults for these pages. Hope > that makes sense. I checked into that, and I think that I have the problems worked out now! > Hmmm.. I'll go back and check this. But I was SURE.. the few I downloaded > were running for like.. a minute. That doesn't sound right. That doesn't seem right. Maybe something was wrong with the mp3.com servers (that always seems to be happening), or maybe a problem with the download. > I hear you. I think of ambient and I think of whale noises. Laugh. I think > this term is applied to a lot of different styles. It probably depends on > the person. Yes. I guess there is the "ambient" ambient, catch my drift? The peacful solitude sounds like those CDs they sell in those gift shops with the classical music and the nature sounds. Then there is the electronic music term to ambient, which I guess to my definition is just like a techno song except a lot of bass, slower tempo, no beat, nature sounds or unique sound effects, and well... I can't really describe it much more! > >That may be because ambient IS weird. It is not the type of > >music you would hear anywhere, except maybe in a movie or something. > > Or a video game. Smile. Yeah your right. Probably more so in a video game than a movie even. Looking at different video games I notice that there is a lot of electronic music like that, and sort of slow spots in a game there might be ambient music. > >On Thursday I played with that band I told you about. (The band that I > >play drums in). > > How did that go? Quite well, I guess. Not a very big turn out though, about 30 people :( . Other than that it went okay. > Where and how much do you work, by the way? I canvass door to door and I work on commision. My friends got me started there last June and I've been working there since. MANY many people have come and gone, me and my friend Jay have been the longest running employees (and we haven't even worked a year). The former employees seem to lose interest when they don't make a lot of money, and they quite. I really don't like my job much and I would leap at the chance of finding another job, it's just that I work with a very small amount of people. It seems that everybody is really close to each other... even the boss (i guess because we are friends with the boss's son). The son is the guy I was telling you about who does some rap music. He's got a lot of talent! But anyway, I don't work much, onnly twice a week (about 8 hours a week). The pay really varies depending on the weather, area of the city, time of day, and my mood! It seems if I am not into it I leave work with barely any cash! Another up side to my work is that I get paid in cash daily, which is all right! I also now know a lot about marketing, selling and dealing with people. And actually that may be able to help me with my music. Getting a good sales pitch for people to buy my CD! > Like I said, not a problem. I want to keep in contact. Your input helps me > a lot. And if things start to work here, I want you to know about it as > well. Especially if any gigs turn up. Brandon is small but 40K people is > nothing to sniff at. Laugh. Sure, it's good to keep in contact with people. You are helping me A LOT with my music, thanks! > >Also, something that came up that I think may be the key to my goal > >(getting popular locally). Last Sunday a guy from right here in Winnipeg > >emailed me about this non-profit organization that he is a part of . The > >EMCC (Electronic Music Creator's Collective). > > Are they on the Web? Sounds interesting? I'll do a search on this. Nope not yet! They plan on putting up a huge website soon! > >There are about 30 people in this. > > You mean, they all live in Winnipeg? Yup! One guy is actaully quite famous (Canada wide!). He is in the group called "X-Nation". He has his music up on mp3.com, you can check it out is you want. But yes, all 30 of them are from winnipeg (i didn't think we had that many electronic artists here! Laugh!). > That sounds great. I'd be interested in finding out more about these guys. > Cool! I am now waiting for a reply with some more info about EMCC. I'll keep you informed about it when I get some more info. I might also be signing pretty soon! > Laugh. Never mind that. Focus on your abilities, not your age. I'm amazed > by your abilities AT your age. But your age doesn't concern me a bit. Age doesn't bug me either. Like for example if a guy was 85 years old with one arm and three legs (somehow!) and he had really good music I would download and listen to and buy all of his CDs regardless of age, race, or appearance. > Good. Answers THAT question. You make sure he minds you okay? None of > this.. "oh, you are younger so I can pay you less" kind of stuff. I'm being > dramatic. But I want you to be cautious, okay? Run this stuff by your > parents as well. Get their input. Dig? Yup. I've talked to my parents about it. They seem to think that it would be a great opportunity for me, just as long as I am careful. They don't want me to just go out and meet this guy from the EMCC. They want me to be careful, I guess they're jsut doing there job. I also want to be careful too. I heard from a couple of people from EMCC with info on the organization. I just want to know more about it. I am doing this all by e-mail, but this guy gave me his number so I might call him later, he is just a bit busy, he's in the army and goes out of town a lot. He is obviously a lot older than me (11 years older, but as I say age doesn't matter!). After I get enough info I might go meet with the president nof the organization and get signed up. > Sounds most excellent. A local organization. This is too perfect! I know. THis might be my big opportunity seeing as that X-Nation got famous from being in this organization! Well, time for me to go to another practice with the band. So I'll talk to ya later. Bye. Chris. PS: If you have time and have napster, do a search for "Fur Elise Remix". I sort of stumbled across this cool Beethoven remix. It is really well done and it's a pretty good song overall. Just thought I'd let you know. I'm actually listening to it now! I'm sure you've heard "Fur Elise", it's a song that I'm sure everybody in the world has heard. But never have I heard it in a sort of dance version. From ???@??? 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Insomnia's Music Newsletter

Finally Released!

Lord Of Progression's debut DAM CD is finally being released on March 31st! There will be more information about it next issue. Go to www.mp3.com/lordofprogression for more info.

 

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Go to: www.geocities.com/komus99 to download FREE remixes of some top artists like Destiny's Child, Queen, Daft Punk, Britteny Spears, Christina Agualara, Fatboy Slim and many more!

FEEL FREE TO ADD AN ARTIST!

If you know somebody who has MP3 music on the internet don't hesitate to e-mail me and tell me about it! I will listen to their music and add them to the newsletter. Also, if you know somebody who wants to be on the mailing list for this newsletter, don't hesitate to tell them to e-mail me. I will sign them up immediately!

 
 

Here are some cool artists to check out:



www.mp3.com/swurveland - Swurveland [alternative]
Some really good alternative rock.
Sounds similar to Leftfield. Some really good techno.trance tunes!
www.mp3.com/polivka - Polivka [dance]
I suggest the song "Favorite Things". Some pretty good dance music here!
www.mp3.com/wildnation - Wild Nation [dance]
Really good dance music. Definitely worth the listen!
www.mp3.com/ShawnLov - Shawn Lov [rap]
Some good rapping and some good lyrics
www.mp3.com/BenSelkow - Ben Selkow [acoustic]
Good acoustic music.
www.mp3.com/djadamg - DJ Adam G [house]
You can feel the power of this music!! Download some of this guys stuff!
www.soundclick.com/craymo - Craymo [alternative]
Some really good alternative! You'll love this guy's music!
www.mp3.com/ThreeInTheTree - Three In The Tree [rock & pop]
Good pop & rock music!
www.mp3.com/repost - Re:Post [electronica]
Some good electronica, very original
www.mp3.com/knightman - Knightman [alternative]
Some original alternative music.
www.mp3.com/lordofprogression - Lord Of Progression [trance]
Some really good trance, house, and dance music!
http://mp3.com/iyam - IYAM [rock]
Some good hard rock and metal music!
http://www.mp3.com/aranea - Aranea [electronic]
Some really wicked down tempo music! Check it out!
Really progressive techno. Dark sounds and good vocal samples!
www.mp3.com/10000lakes - 10,000 Lakes [alternative]
Some really wierd music! Original Stuff!
http://www.mp3.com/virtual_exit - Virtual Exit [trance]
Some hard core trance and goa! Really good bassline!
http://www.mp3.com/rdp - RDP [alternative]
Lucid is an all out excellent track, check it out!
www.mp3.com/euphonica - Euphonica [tech step]
Cool basslines and ambient samples make this a good artist
www.mp3.com/yorky - Yorky [trip hop]
Some cool trip hop and techno music!
www.mp3.com/psybresonikk - PsybreSonikK [electronic]
This artist has a variety of styles in the music
www.mp3.com/kaden - Kaden [ambient]
Cool ambient music with power!
www.mp3.com/1302 - 1302 [experimental]
Cool experimental, good bass on most songs!
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Insomnia's Music Newsletter

Due to some major changes I will be updating the newsletter and it will be web-based instead of being email based. It will also tons more features!!

ALL NEW REVIEWS, INTERVIEWS, CD RELEASES, PRIZES, GIVAWAYS, AND MUCH MORE!!

The new newsletter will have all new features. You will be getting the new newsletter very soon! Check it out!

Please: If you have any questions don't hesitate to email me at: insomniac_909@hotmail.com

(C)2000 Chris Komus - insomniac_909@hotmail.com

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Insomnia's Music Newsletter

As I said in an earlier message the newsletter will now be on an mp3.com station.

The latest version is now up:

goto: www.mp3.com/stations/insomnia

for Reviews, Interviews, Tips, and more....

 

[Please note: If you have anything you want advertised please email me at: insomniac_909@hotmail.com because I will now be dealing with a larger audience, and won't have time to check on every individual artist.]

 Embedded Content: Blank Bkgrd2.gif: 00000001,6d87e654,00000000,00000000 From ???@??? Wed Apr 05 18:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 32178 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2000 23:26:13 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 23:26:13 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000405181523.00aeb490@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:26:13 -0500 To: Heather From: Heather Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pricked my little finger pulling staples from the mail Knocked the garbage can again, while running from a male who's s'ppose to be my sooperior but his only plus is height in reaching over my position while he scramble with his might to make a very fine impression of the dullard who's my boss. You know those characters from Dilbert make me shake my head and pause because they're all here in my boardroom while we drone about a plan to unify our messaging so we all sound like a man. From ???@??? Thu Dec 09 14:40:52 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: Candlewood - 728-6908 Authors to check: Children's - Eric Carle "Dragons" Children's - Jan Brett Children's - Tomie De Paola Children's - Harry Potter Fiction Classic George Orwell J.D. Salinger Margaret Lawrence Popular Steven King John Grisham Danielle Steele Current Richard Heller Bill Castelman Fred McGuinness Bonnie Bernard Frank McCord From ???@??? Thu Jul 30 20:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hallie@armchair.mb.ca Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1998 01:12:39 -0000 Received: from bippo.armchair.mb.ca (HELO bippo) (198.163.115.60) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 01:12:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980730201223.0118f4b0@armchair.mb.ca> X-Sender: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:12:23 -0500 To: Heather Lovatt From: Dave Voorhis Subject: Re: Look at for job ideas or for new industry for Armchair ideas In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980730195702.009235f0@armchair.mb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:57 PM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, yeah. Could you give me a list of all the software you've developed and >the names of the companies you've developed them for? Thanks. Er... That's tough. I don't remember half of 'em. Lemme think... Plumber's inventory & work order system -- developed for Brian's Mechanical. Subscription Management System -- developed for Canadian Journal of Native Studies. Bus Costs System -- fleet mgmt software for Brandon School Division transportation dept. Transportation System -- information system for Brandon School Division transportation dept. Billsys -- billing and A/R system for We Care Health Svcs Inc. Wizard -- scheduling & accounting system for We Care Health Svcs Inc. Wizard Payroll -- general-purpose payroll software. Variety of special-purpose programs for Manitoba Telephone System. Variety of special-purpose programs for Brandon School Division. Questionnaire development software for WESTARC Group Inc. CTOOLS -- custom C database & windowing library for internal use. CPPTOOLS -- custom C++ database & windowing library for internal use. QTOOLS -- custom C++ windowing library for internal use. Donation management software -- for United Way of Brandon. Assorted electronic ordering mechanisms for Candlewood Books. Glasses Frame Inventory -- for Professional Optical. Parts Inventory -- for Harvest Salvage. SIS -- student information system for schools. Billeting system -- for Canada Games. Logos -- system for quantifying emotional tone in text based on statistical analysis of word usage. There. That's all I can think of right now. Dave... From ???@??? Mon Sep 06 23:09:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 5969 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 04:06:29 -0000 Received: from baleen.armchair.mb.ca (198.163.115.5) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 04:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18871 invoked by uid 1016); 7 Sep 1999 04:06:02 -0000 Date: 7 Sep 1999 04:06:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990907040602.18870.qmail@baleen.armchair.mb.ca> To: hallie@creatist.com From: dave@armchair.mb.ca Reply-to: dave@armchair.mb.ca X-Mailer: Perl Powered Socket Mailer Subject: You have a virtual card waiting for you! Hi, Dave stopped by my site, Brandon Picklefest and created a Virtual Card just for you! To pick up your card, simply point your browser at the page listed below. http://www.creatist.com/picklefest/cards/sep6-7716218869.html The card will remain on the server for about one week, so please print it out or save it as soon as you can. . From ???@??? Tue Oct 12 19:05:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 4084 invoked from network); 12 Oct 1999 16:48:36 -0000 Received: from cob3.city.brandon.mb.ca (HELO COB3.PRIV.CITY.BRANDON.MB.CA) (207.161.154.19) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 12 Oct 1999 16:48:36 -0000 Subject: RE: comment on UCT Homecoming To: hallie@creatist.com Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: From: Francois_Grenier/City_of_Brandon/CA%CITY_OF_BRANDON@city.brandon.mb.ca Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:46:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on cob1/City of Brandon/CA(Release 5.0.1|July 16, 1999) at 10/12/99 11:46:42 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Unfortunately we are unable to do e-commerce at the time but we are in the process of implementing it, so people can pay parking tickets. Once we have this up we will look at other things that we can add to our site with e-commerce. Thanks for the suggestions, François Grenier Lotus/Web Developer From ???@??? Sun Sep 26 19:54:36 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 32649 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 00:48:35 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 00:48:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990926194923.00924270@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:49:23 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Fixes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a collected list of stuff you asked me to remind you about. Some items you've said to wait til later so don't worry about those. I'm simply pooling everything on one email for us.me. -----Activate the email account for Nancy McLelland. Repeat of items from VolunteerBase ---------------------------------- 1. I don't want to GIVE agencies outright control over what categories to add. We'll end up with a different category for each agency But I think, upon registering, there should be a field to 'suggest' another categories and to let me know who it's from so I can figure out what to do. 2. How will the application respond to an near or exact duplication of an agency? Say, some FOOL enters a registration for their company and uses THEIR name and some other one does the same and uses THEIR name. I'll end up with two accounts, won't I? - (Do something later on.. you said) 3. I know that when I delete the organization registration, all the volunteer listings are deleted. Before this deletion is processed, could we put a caution message in place for this function that says, "You are deleting this agency and there are still volunteer openings posted. Are you sure you wish to continue?" If an incorrect agency was selected for deletion, this would prove annoying. 4. When scrolling through the Admin page looking for organization names, it's a little hard to see the delineation between organization entries especially as the grouping STARTS with just the word 'active.' Is there any way for this to be more clearly delineated? 5. Should I be able to search for the word 'petting zoo' in the search function of the forum? It returned nothing. I searched 'Dave.' It returned nothing. Am I searching incorrectly? 6. The emailed link isn't working for any of the URLs. Just so you know. Each email you receive has a clickable underlined URL that, then clicked, will take you back to the Web site. It's not working. (this MAY be the same point as number 7) 7. Phorum writes: > This is an email I received of a thread from the Phorum. > > I clicked on the URL below and got a 'file not found' message. Is this URL > supposed to take me to the phorum site and to the posted message? > > http://www.creatist.com/VolunteerBasephorum_read.php3?num=1&id=7&thread=6 - Oops. I didn't see this before. That's a trivial configuration problem (there's a missing '/'), but I'll have to fix it when I get back. Dave... From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 19:29:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 22895 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from halibut.armchair.mb.ca (HELO halibut.creatist.com) (198.163.115.62) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 00:29:34 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000423192923.00ae5100@mail.creatist.com> X-Sender: hallie_creatist.com@mail.creatist.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:34 -0500 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: Postcard scripts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:33 AM 5/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >hallie@creatist.com thinks you'll really like: >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3208/main.html Bloody fuckin' background music on that... >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/ >3208/workbench/index.html > >Postcard scripts.. Is this what you need? Yeah. Thassit. Where are you logging in from? Dave... From ???@??? Fri Jun 04 07:03:43 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 17969 invoked from network); 4 Jun 1999 11:59:01 -0000 Received: from wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.64) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 11:59:01 -0000 Received: from tanglewood (ip11.springfield2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.175.11]) by wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00425 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906041158.EAA00425@wren.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: Jan Brett To: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 07:59:00 -0500 Subject: Hedgie's Treasure Trove Reply-To: janbrett@janbrett.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Hi from Hedgie, Just in time for Father's Day, there is a new coloring page, Hedgie takes his Kids to the Beach. http://www.janbrett.com/activities_pages_artwork.htm Also new this month is a group of postcards to send to your your dad. They're all on the Send a Postcard page. http://www.janbrett.com/postcards/cardpick_main_choice.htm Jan's added a new Hedge a gram for June. She's just moved to her summer home in the Berkshire mountains of Massachusetts. The new chick have moved too! Jan's busy drawing her book for the fall of 2000. The new Hedge a gram tells all about it. http://www.janbrett.com/ra-info/june_hedge_a_gram.ram There is a new version of Jan Brett's Hedgehog screesaver for the MAC. I hope that you enjoy all of my friends. Hundreds of little hedgehogs are waiting to bounce off of the bottom of your screen. http://www.janbrett.com/screensaver.htm Love, Hedgie PS If you wish to have your name removed from Hedgie's list of friends, please reply to this email letter and put the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the Subject line. Thank you. From ???@??? Thu Jul 15 21:47:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 31370 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 02:38:55 -0000 Received: from tunisia-c.web.itd.earthlink.net (HELO tunisia.web.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.111.57) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 02:38:55 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by tunisia.web.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA19891 for hallie@creatist.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907160238.TAA19891@tunisia.web.itd.earthlink.net> From: hallie@creatist.com To: hallie@creatist.com Subject: Postcard from hallie Content-Type: text Hi! A cyber-friend has sent you a postcard by way of the World Wide Web. You may view it by using a Web Browser such as Netscape's Navigator or Microsoft's Explorer. To pick up your postcard click on the address below or copy the entire address starting with 'http', paste it into the ADDRESS WINDOW or LOCATION WINDOW of your browser and press ENTER. http://www.janbrett.com/cgi/5cardread.pl?s=kids&id=932092725 The email address of your cyber-friend is hallie@creatist.com. Your virtual postcard will be available for the next 30 days. Thanks from Jan Brett! Brought to you as a free service by Jan Brett's postcard mailer, http://www.janbrett.com/index.html From ???@??? Tue Dec 21 16:37:45 1999 To: hallie@creatist.com From: Heather Subject: creatist.com Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: In-Reply-To: References: X-Eudora-Signature: We build commercial and "themed" or affinity group Web sites and applications. From ???@??? Wed Sep 22 14:48:11 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: creatist.com-hallie@creatist.com Received: (qmail 16608 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0000 Received: from cythera.ic.gc.ca (198.103.246.205) by onramp.armchair.mb.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0000 Received: (from major@localhost) by cythera.ic.gc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27184 for scp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca Message-Id: <199909221616.MAA27184@cythera.ic.gc.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: cythera.ic.gc.ca: major set sender to owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca using -f LE FRANCAIS EST A LA SUITE ================================================= Smart Communities Resource Exchange News - September 1999 ================================================= Sender: owner-scp@cythera.ic.gc.ca Precedence: bulk The Smart Communities Resource Exchange provides news on the Smart Communities Program and highlights on new and upcoming Smart Community events each month. The Exchange also introduces you to new services being offered. If there is any other information that you require or service that we could be providing you through the listserve or the Resource Exchange, do not hesitate to contact us at smartcom@cythera.ic.gc.ca. The Smart Communities Resource Exchange provides monthly updates to our listserve members. ================================================= Smart Communities Demonstration Projects Competition Update The Smart Communities Demonstration Projects competition is now underway. As of the deadline date of August 3rd, 1999, Industry Canada received an overwhelming 129 Stage One - Letter of Intent submissions from a variety of communities across the country. You can find a list of projects and sponsoring organizations on our website at http://smartcommunities.ic.gc.ca/list.html On September 21th Minister John Manley will announce the names of the 24 members who will form the National Selection Committee that will be responsible for publicly recommending twelve proposals for final selection Minister Manley. The bios of these 24 individuals will be available on the Smart Communities website along with the Terms of References and Ethics Guidelines. The National Selection Committee will be meeting this fall to select the applicants invited to apply to Stage Two of the competition. All applicants will be informed of their status in writing shortly after that meeting. Along with the notification, applicants invited to Stage Two of the competition will be provided with guidelines for preparing the Business Plan submission. ================================================= Upcoming Events -- Telework '99: European Assembly on Telework (September 22 - September 24 1999. Scandinavian Congress Center, Aarhus, Denmark) -- 1st European IMAGINE Seminar (September 23 - September 24 1999, Parthenay, France) -- Scope 1: Information vs. Meaning (September 30 - October 1, 1999, Vienna, Austria) For more information please visit: http://smartcommunities.ic.gc.ca/events.html ================================================= Smart Resources Bandwidth and the Small Rural Community: Sun Microsystems INC. This video discusses the use of information technologies in the development of the Telecenter, the Televillage, and the Teleincubator in the town of Nevada in Missouri, as well as the pros and cons of IT applications in rural communities in general. The presentation outlines the effects which IT is having in areas which are not usually considered to be primary areas of application for these new technologies, such as in agriculture and other aspects of rural life. This is a good source of information for gaining an appreciation for the limitless applications of IT which may be incorporated into a Smart Community in order to address the specific needs of its constituents. Please send pricing and order inquiries to bobdavis@U-N-I.net allowing for four to five weeks for delivery (english video only). Regional Networks of Ontario (RNO) and the Lanark County Workbook (http://www.rno.on.ca ) The Regional Network of Ontario, or RNO, is a consortium of communities that recognize the critical role of affordable telecommunications in economic development. By pooling their expertise and infrastructure requirements, these communities enhance their influence with telecommunications providers and application developers to secure affordable services for both the public and private sectors in the Province of Ontario. Visit http://rno.on.ca/ to learn how other Ontario communities are organizing themselves to become "Smart". Currently, the RNO is showcasing Lanark County's experiences. Lanark has a significant rural population faced with economic challenges and the need to provide the community with service improvements at a time of shrinking public funding. In this regard, it is typical of many rural and remote communities in Canada. The lessons learned by Lanark County can be extremely useful to other communities as they seek to apply advanced information technology to their own situations. The Lanark County Workbook includes important lessons in partnering, community organization, fund raising, communications, how to work with government, and how to collaborate with telecommunications providers For further information about the handbook, visit www.smartcommunity.org. To share your province or community's experiences and lessons learned in becoming a Smart community, contact the Smart Communities Resource Exchange at smartcom@cythera.ic.gc.ca. ================================================= How to unsubscribe If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to major@cythera.ic.gc.ca with the following command in the body of your e-mail message: unsubscribe scp ================================================= Smart Communities Resource Exchange September 1999 ================================================= Centre d'échange de ressources des collectivités ingénieuses - Nouvelles - Septembre 1999 ================================================= Le Centre d'échange de ressources des collectivités ingénieuses vous donne des nouvelles du programme Collectivités ingénieuses et vous transmet les faits saillants des nouvelles activités et des activités à venir, chaque mois. Il vous présente aussi les nouveaux services qui vous sont offerts. Si vous avez besoin d'autres renseignements ou services que nous pourrions vous fournir par l'intermédiaire du listserv ou du Centre d'échange, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec nous à l'adresse suivante : smartcom@cythera.ic.gc.ca. Le Centre d'échange de ressources des collectivités ingénieuses fournit une mise à jour mensuelle aux membres de notre listserv. ================================================= Dernières nouvelles sur le concours des projets témoins des collectivités ingénieuses Le concours visant à choisir les projets témoins des collectivités ingénieuses est en cours. À la date limite le 3 août 1999, Industrie Canada avait reçu, dans le cadre de la première étape, un nombre renversant (129) de lettres d'intention de diverses collectivités un peu partout au pays. Vous trouverez une liste des projets et des organismes parrains sur notre site Web à http://smartcommunities.ic.gc.ca/list-f.html Le 21 septembre 1999, M. John Manley, ministre de l'Industrie, annoncera les noms des 24 membres du Comité national de sélection. Leurs sommaires de biographie seront presenter sur le site du Collection ingénieuses avec le Mandat et principes régissant le choix des membres du Comité, et les Directives d'ethiques. Après la deuxième étape le comité de sélection communiquera au Ministre et au public une listes des douze collectivités dont le financement est recommandé. Les membres du Comité national de sélection se réuniront cet automne en vue de choisir ceux qui seront invités à présenter une demande pour la deuxième étape du concours. Peu de temps après la réunion, les demandeurs retenus seront informés par écrit de la décision du comité. Outre un avis, ils recevront un exemplaire des lignes directrices visant à les aider à préparer un plan d'affaires. ================================================= Activités à venir -- Telework '99: European Assembly on Telework (22 au 24 septembre 1999 - Centre scandinave des congrès, à Aarhus, au Danemark) -- 1er séminaire européen IMAGINE (23 au 24 septembre 1999, à Parthenay, en France) -- Scope 1: Information vs. Meaning (30 septembre au 1er octobre1999, à Vienne, en Autriche) Pour de plus amples renseignements, il vous suffit de vous rendre à : http://smartcommunities.ic.gc.ca/events.html ================================================= Ressources ingénieuses Bandwidth and the Small Rural Community : Sun Microsystems INC. Le vidéo porte sur l'utilisation des technologies de l'information (TI) dans le développement du télécentre, du télévillage et du téléincubateur dans la ville de Nevada, au Missouri. Il aborde aussi les avantages et les désavantages des applications des TI dans les collectivités rurales en général. Il donne un aperçu des effets que les TI ont dans des domaines qui ne sont pas habituellement considérés comme les principaux domaines d'application de ces nouvelles technologies, comme l'agriculture et les autres aspects de la vie rurale. Il est une bonne source d'information pour avoir une idée des limites des applications des TI qui peuvent être intégrées à une collectivité ingénieuse afin de répondre aux besoins précis de ceux qui la constituent. Veuillez envoyer vos demandes (prix, commande) à bobdavis@U-N-I.net et prévoir quatre à cinq semaines pour la livraison (vidéo en anglais seulement). Réseau régional de l'Ontario (RRO) et le manuel du comté de Lanark ( http://www.rno.on.ca ) Le Réseau régional de l'Ontario, ou RRO, est un consortium de collectivités qui reconnaissent le rôle essentiel que jouent les télécommunications abordables dans le développement économique. En mettant en commun leurs besoins en savoir-faire et en infrastructure, ces collectivités accroissent l'influence qu'elles peuvent exercer sur les fournisseurs de services de télécommunication et les créateurs d'applications, et ce, en vue d'obtenir des services abordables à la fois pour le secteur public et le secteur privé dans la province de l'Ontario. Visitez http://rno.on.ca/, pour apprendre comment d'autres collectivités de l'Ontario s'organisent pour devenir « ingénieuses ». Actuellement, le RRO traite de l'expérience du comté de Lanark. Le comté de Lanark compte une importante population rurale aux prises avec des défis économiques, et il doit améliorer les services qu'il offre à ses diverses collectivités malgré la diminution des fonds publics. À cet égard, il s'agit donc de la situation typique de bon nombre de collectivités rurales ou éloignées au Canada. Les leçons que le comté de Lanark a tirées de son expérience peuvent être extrêmement utiles aux autres collectivités qui envisagent d'appliquer les technologies de l'information à leur propre situation. Le manuel du comté de Lanark comprend d'importantes leçons, que ce soit en partenariat, en organisation communautaire, en collecte de fonds, en communication, en relations avec les autorités gouvernementales et en collaboration avec les fournisseurs de service de télécommunication. Pour obtenir de plus amples renseignements au sujet du manuel, il vous suffit de vous rendre sur le site : www.smartcommunity.org. 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